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Year 3 will be the deal maker or breaker with Allen...Darn I hope he hope he makes an improvement as at my age I only have one or two more cycles of waiting for the Bills to find a QB...overall great article summing up his progression

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Corkscrew, good article.  My guess is they will give him his four years of his rookie contract, and even a 5th year option to make absolutely sure he is our franchise QB.

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Pretty much sums it up.

 

Go Bills!!!

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Some sophomore season stats, for reference 

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This group is QBs who didn't play much or at all their rookie year

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And finally, we have our current sophomores 

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50 minutes ago, entropyrules said:

Year 3 will be the deal maker or breaker with Allen...Darn I hope he hope he makes an improvement as at my age I only have one or two more cycles of waiting for the Bills to find a QB...overall great article summing up his progression

 

I some how doubt year 3 is a make or break year you don't draft a QB at 7th overall and toss him to the curb that easily.

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6 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I some how doubt year 3 is a make or break year you don't draft a QB at 7th overall and toss him to the curb that easily.

respectfully disagree..they certainly won't cut him until his contract is up but if he regresses or stays the same next year (assuming he has a better Cast of O characters) they will be on the hunt in the 2021 draft for a QB. it may be a 3rd round flyer but they are not going into his 4th year after no progress wishing and hoping he makes some miraculous leap without at least prepping for his departure at the end of the contract. Now having said that if they become like that Ravens team with Dilfer where the D dominated and the QB was just OK then you are probably right they'll go into 2023 where then they will draft a QB. 

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There is the Cam Newton comparison Beane and McDermott saw all throughout the article 

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57 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Corkscrew, good article.  My guess is they will give him his four years of his rookie contract, and even a 5th year option to make absolutely sure he is our franchise QB.

 

I think Beane and McDermott have been pretty clear “ride or die with Josh”.   Now if he comes in next season and regresses instead of moving forward, that could change.

 

What would shock me is if we sign a borderline-starter FA QB or draft one.  That would be “yeah, your lips are moving but we can’t believe what you say” territory.

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It will be interesting to see where Allen takes his level of play next season.   The issue with accuracy has to improve though.  Watching the College National Championship game last night you could see the difference between Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow.  It made me think of the difference between Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.  Burrow was so deadly accurate and Lawrence was not.  It played out as the difference in the score.  

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Really surprising to see Sam Bradford and Matt Ryan with lower completion percentages than Allen.  Didn't Bradford sent an NFL record for completion percentage in a season a few years ago because he was throwing checkdown passes all the time?

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4 hours ago, entropyrules said:

Year 3 will be the deal maker or breaker with Allen...Darn I hope he hope he makes an improvement as at my age I only have one or two more cycles of waiting for the Bills to find a QB...overall great article summing up his progression

I would like to remind everyone that Ben Ro was worse in his 3rd year than in his first two seasons. After that he had a really good 4th year and then a down 5th. After that he sort of leveled out. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/careerstats

 

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4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Beane and McDermott have been pretty clear “ride or die with Josh”.   Now if he comes in next season and regresses instead of moving forward, that could change.

 

What would shock me is if we sign a borderline-starter FA QB or draft one.  That would be “yeah, your lips are moving but we can’t believe what you say” territory.

I agree but I think it would be unwise not to address the backup QB position. I know it didn't happen this year, but Allen takes a lot of hits and the backup QB is likely to play a few games next season. Barkley seems like a nice guy and all but he is pretty low end in terms of ability and starting experience.

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Luckily, the Bills have put a great structure around Allen (coaching, upgraded talent, system, continuity).  So, they're giving him and themselves every chance to be successful and to get a true read on Josh (taking away as many bad variables as possible).

 

I'm sure that Beane and McDermott have a very good sense for the level of qb play needed to win a championship.  I would guess that they are starting to get a sense for whether or not Josh can get there, and that the end of next year will be the decision-point.

 

I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't need a year four to decide whether or not they can win a championship with Allen.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if they drafted a QB, mid-rounds.

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I am not going to worry about anything regarding him till there is actually something to worry about.

 

increase in all productivity from year 1 to year 2.....NO signs of regression.

 

I expect a similar jump in year 3

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27 minutes ago, All I Need is Hope said:

Luckily, the Bills have put a great structure around Allen (coaching, upgraded talent, system, continuity).  So, they're giving him and themselves every chance to be successful and to get a true read on Josh (taking away as many bad variables as possible).

 

I'm sure that Beane and McDermott have a very good sense for the level of qb play needed to win a championship.  I would guess that they are starting to get a sense for whether or not Josh can get there, and that the end of next year will be the decision-point.

 

I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't need a year four to decide whether or not they can win a championship with Allen.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if they drafted a QB, mid-rounds.

 

This year?  It would absolutely be a shock given some of the stuff Beane has said on his radio tour.  I think it was One Bills Live, was pretty much asked and said “that’s what you do when you’re not sure you’ve got your guy” or words to that effect.

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The article didnt seem to take into account total yardage and total touchdowns when compared to other qbs.  It also didnt seem to take into account w-l pct%.

 

Hard to make comparisons when you dont include the entirety of his game.

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Even if he regressed in year 3 they wouldn't look for a new QB for year 4.  He has shown way too much for that to happen.

 

Would it be very concerning?  Absolutely and he would be on a short leash in his 4th year with an eye on QB's for year 5.

 

With that said, he's not going to regress.  He will continue to improve because he has everything that he needs in between the ears and in his heart.  That desire and intelligence along with his out-of-this-world talent will continue to push along his progression as a QB.  As raw as he was he has much more room to grow than the other more polished QB's that came into the league along with him.

 

I don't care what anyone says, I believe by the time it's all said and done he will have the best QB career out of all the QB's drafted the same year as him.

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5 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I some how doubt year 3 is a make or break year you don't draft a QB at 7th overall and toss him to the curb that easily.

 

EJ Manuel says hi.

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I have no idea what Josh will or will not do in the future for the Buffalo Bills.  He has shows us some really good and some really bad.  For that reason, we should try to upgrade out backup QB position THIS YEAR.  We have built up a good team and D.  Would be a shame for Josh to go down and then us have to waste another season because we don't have a decent backup. 

 

Would also be good to have someone to push Josh a little. If he can't handle that, he ain't the guy.  Competition makes us stronger, right?  Where have I hear that before?

 

"QB is the most important position.  Backup QB is the second most important." -- Joe Gibbs

 

Joe had a decent backup (Doug Williams)  Then there's also the Nick Foles/Jeff Hosstettler/Earl Moral situation where you have a good season going and the starter gets hurt but since you have good backup you can roll on.

 

This is nothing to do with if Josh is THE  GUY or not, just being prepared. With the way Josh plays, he's one Jadeveon Clowney hit away from IR. We should be prepared. No sense putting all your eggs in one basket.

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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I am not going to worry about anything regarding him till there is actually something to worry about.

 

increase in all productivity from year 1 to year 2.....NO signs of regression.

 

I expect a similar jump in year 3

That isn't good enough. At some point he needs to make a big jump. The playoffs has shown you need you QB and offense to put up more points then what the Bills averaged. 17-19 points is not good enough. Next season will be a big test. There is no way they have such an easy schedule playing so many teams below .500 again. 

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1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

That isn't good enough. At some point he needs to make a big jump. The playoffs has shown you need you QB and offense to put up more points then what the Bills averaged. 17-19 points is not good enough. Next season will be a big test. There is no way they have such an easy schedule playing so many teams below .500 again. 

It IS good enough

 

And if you abandon a QB that you draft and is getting better year to year in every category....then you deserve the decades of failure that this team has endured.

 

We have a QB with talent.....give him what he needs to succeed and stop hitting the ***** reset button on this team

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