Divisional Round: Titans at Ravens

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

The narrative after lamars game this week  will be how his receivers dropped balls, and Ingram was playing hurt, blah blah blah MVP did everything he could to keep them in the game blah blah blah 

For sure. I can hear it already. Lamar is the chosen one, it will be brutal. 

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Tennessee would be insane not to pay Henry.  I can't imagine he is allowed to hit the open market.

Oh you’re 100% correct. Half the guys talked about on here for free agency will never hit the market. But there was lots of takes Henry isn’t worth a big contract. No running back is. 
But that guy is not the normal running back 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

Dear  "When is muh QB gonna throw for 300 yards?" people,

 

Tannehill threw for something like 9 yards for the entire second half.

 

Do everyone a favor and STFU for now and forever.

 

Sincerely,

Football fans who aren't stupid enough to live off stats.

 

 

 

They're probably all under the age of 35.

 

Chalk it up to youthful ignorance.

[Nitro]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

They're probably all under the age of 35.

 

Chalk it up to youthful ignorance.

Running the ball successfully cures many ills for your team.  Youngsters do not acknowledge it.  Now stay off my lawn!!!  

[london_bills]

12 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I don't care.  The Ravens offense was constructed for Jackson.  The Ravens have more talent on offense then the Bills do.  The truth is that Allen had a better playoff game against the Texans on the road then Jackson had last year and this year playing AT HOME. 

 

If I was a Ravens fan I would be sick.  And yes I would be questioning my QB.  A 14 - 2 regular season record only matters if you at least win one playoff game.  I would say it only matters if you get to the Super Bowl.  What's the point to earn home field advantage through the playoffs only to lose the 1st playoff game AT HOME? 

 

And the Ravens loss to TN tonight is almost entirely on Jackson.  He played AWFUL.  If I have to endure posts from folks claiming that Allen lost last weeks game then I sure as hell won't ignore the FACT that Jackson did a lot more to lose tonight's game.  He didn't make a meaningful play in the first 3 quarters to help his team win the game.  NOT ONE. 

 

And his carelessness with the ball and his poor execution TWICE on QB sneaks on 4th & 1 killed any chance for Baltimore to win this game.  Frankly, he played so poorly tonight that I would NOT make him MVP.  Unless Wilson plays like crap tomorrow he's my MVP.  Or how about D. Henry?

 

 

I just read your post and think so much of it also applies to the bills season, the record doesn't matter, home or away doesnt matter. The Bills had a great chance against the texans and we couldn't get it done. Jacksons history is richer than what allen has done and so I do find it ironic how people have Jackson figured out, that's hes overrated, and Allen figured out that he's a franchise QB or along those lines. The season matters in terms of understanding what you have in a player and Jackson has destroyed more teams than Allen has. 

Edited January 12, 2020 by london_bills

[Success]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

No he isn't and if I was a Ravens fan I would be real nervous about whether next year the league figures out Lamar and Roman's offense. 

 

And while we may be homers what the hell are you?  Posting your love for all things Jackson after tonight's performance?  On a BUFFALO BILLS message board?  Throwing out that Jackson was miles ahead of Allen immediately after he laid an ostrich egg for his 2nd playoff game?  Jackson has a team LOADED with elite offensive talent.  And he was playing at home. 

 

Had Allen played like this in a home playoff game you guys would be freaking out.   The double standard is just astonishing to me. I get it if I was on a Ravens board or even just an NFL board.  But on a Bills board?  It makes no sense to me.

 

 

Yep.  Jackson was genuinely bad tonight. 2 bad INT's, and that fumble was unreal - just terrible awareness.  He had his arm out the whole time, and seemed oblivious that pressure could be closing in after all of that time.

 

Allen is given much less leeway by some in this fanbase.  

 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

The narrative after lamars game this week  will be how his receivers dropped balls, and Ingram was playing hurt, blah blah blah MVP did everything he could to keep them in the game blah blah blah 

 

Bingo.  No one is going to mention how on 4th and inches Jackson decided to run laterally to the line and then tried to reverse field.  The net result was a loss of a yard and TN gets the ball.  That was the first drive of the 2nd half and the Ravens were on the edge of the red zone!  That one screw-up probably lost the Ravens the game.  And if that didn't then Jackson's piss poor pass that was intercepted in the TN red zone early in the 4th quarter definitely did.  

 

But all we heard about was how Allen was rattled because he tried a stupid lateral.  It didn't matter that the lateral play HAD NO EFFECT ON THE GAME.  It fit the narrative and that's all that mattered.  I for one am sick of this crap.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

Yep.  Jackson was genuinely bad tonight. 2 bad INT's, and that fumble was unreal - just terrible awareness.  He had his arm out the whole time, and seemed oblivious that pressure could be closing in after all of that time.

 

Allen is given much less leeway by some in this fanbase.  

 

 

Lotta fools in this fan base.

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

No he isn't and if I was a Ravens fan I would be real nervous about whether next year the league figures out Lamar and Roman's offense. 

 

And while we may be homers what the hell are you?  Posting your love for all things Jackson after tonight's performance?  On a BUFFALO BILLS message board?  Throwing out that Jackson was miles ahead of Allen immediately after he laid an ostrich egg for his 2nd playoff game?  Jackson has a team LOADED with elite offensive talent.  And he was playing at home. 

 

Had Allen played like this in a home playoff game you guys would be freaking out.   The double standard is just astonishing to me. I get it if I was on a Ravens board or even just an NFL board.  But on a Bills board?  It makes no sense to me.

 

 

Honestly Allen played better in his first Playoff game than Jackson did in his second. Allen had a bit of a meltdown in the 2nd half Lamar was in a meltdown the whole game.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Success said:

Yep.  Jackson was genuinely bad tonight. 2 bad INT's, and that fumble was unreal - just terrible awareness.  He had his arm out the whole time, and seemed oblivious that pressure could be closing in after all of that time.

 

Allen is given much less leeway by some in this fanbase.  

 

And much less by the media too. They love the flavor of the month and jump on the bandwagon, but they were watching a gimmick offense. It’s been figured out. Lamar had a great season and did what the coaches needed him to do. I don’t know if he can win in another style of offense. 

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lotta fools in this fan base.

Somewhere , Bill Polian is smiling. Not because he’s at the Asian Orchid Spa , either. 

[JerseyBills]

BILLS WOULD BE PLAYING FOR A HOME AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME TOMORROW. 

UNREAL.

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

I just read your post and think so much of it also applies to the bills season, the record doesn't matter, home or away doesnt matter. The Bills had a great chance against the texans and we couldn't get it done. Jacksons history is richer than what allen has done and so I do find it ironic how people have Jackson figured out, that's hes overrated, and Allen figured out that he's a franchise QB or along those lines. The season matters in terms of understanding what you have in a player and Jackson has destroyed more teams than Allen has. 

Do you honestly not see the difference between how the two are used and why it might lead to some unpleasant realities wrt Jackson’s ceiling?

 

Seriously, how much NFL football do you watch? How many teams have you seen have success running read-option for more than a season or two? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

 

Somewhere , Bill Polian is smiling. Not because he’s at the Asian Orchid Spa , either. 

 

You'd think that people would have seen this coming. But no.

[Rc2catch]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Bingo.  No one is going to mention how on 4th and inches Jackson decided to run laterally to the line and then tried to reverse field.  The net result was a loss of a yard and TN gets the ball.  That was the first drive of the 2nd half and the Ravens were on the edge of the red zone!  That one screw-up probably lost the Ravens the game.  And if that didn't then Jackson's piss poor pass that was intercepted in the TN red zone early in the 4th quarter definitely did.  

 

But all we heard about was how Allen was rattled because he tried a stupid lateral.  It didn't matter that the lateral play HAD NO EFFECT ON THE GAME.  It fit the narrative and that's all that mattered.  I for one am sick of this crap.

 

 

I think most people knew if you get Baltimore down 10-14 points Lamar would crumble. He will get a pass cause of his “stats” but watching the game he didn’t look like an MVP other than his running. I’m sure Baltimore fans sound like us right now, terrible play calling, need some bigger receivers who can catch on the outside, defense didn’t show up. Same kinda stuff we’re dealing with. 

[TuelTime]

9 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Oh, so NOW QB wins are a thing?
 

Funny, I thought Ws were a team stat.

 

 

We can use completion percent, passing TDs, MVP votes, whatever metric you want Jackson is a better QB.. Why are we even arguing this? Some people need to add more water to their Kool-Aid packets.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, TuelTime said:

 

We can use completion percent, passing TDs, MVP votes, whatever metric you want Jackson is a better QB.. Why are we even arguing this? Some people need to add more water to their Kool-Aid packets.

 

That player is no MVP, sorry. MVPs don't look like that.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, TuelTime said:

 

We can use completion percent, passing TDs, MVP votes, whatever metric you want Jackson is a better QB.. Why are we even arguing this? Some people need to add more water to their Kool-Aid packets.

4th quarter game winning drives? Rushing TDs?

Edited January 12, 2020 by Warcodered

[JerseyBills]

1 minute ago, TuelTime said:

 

We can use completion percent, passing TDs, MVP votes, whatever metric you want Jackson is a better QB.. Why are we even arguing this? Some people need to add more water to their Kool-Aid packets.

I don't think he's the better long term QB

I've said this all year

Edited January 12, 2020 by JerseyBills

[3rdnlng]

12 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Stolen

Yes Joe, that happens on the internets.

[TuelTime]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

That player is no MVP, sorry. MVPs don't look like that.

 

Well if we are just using the eye test, Allen is fools gold.. EJ 2.0. But let's not address to QB position for a couple years because Allen has a high ceiling.

[CoudyBills]

8 minutes ago, Success said:

Yep.  Jackson was genuinely bad tonight. 2 bad INT's, and that fumble was unreal - just terrible awareness.  He had his arm out the whole time, and seemed oblivious that pressure could be closing in after all of that time.

 

Allen is given much less leeway by some in this fanbase.  

 

Don't forget about bad 3rd down sacks that only the worst QBs in the league take.  

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

4th quarter game winning drives? Rushing TDs?

Turnovers in playoff games?

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, TuelTime said:

 

We can use completion percent, passing TDs, MVP votes, whatever metric you want Jackson is a better QB.. Why are we even arguing this? Some people need to add more water to their Kool-Aid packets.

Say he is a better QB. What the heck should a Bills fan do about that? What would you be saying if he was the Bills QB and looked like crap in each of his playoff games ? A one and done after a division title AND home field ? Singing his praises ?  A Bills fan isn’t worrying about some other team’s QB. 

[Big Gun]

3 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

 

We can use completion percent, passing TDs, MVP votes, whatever metric you want Jackson is a better QB.. Why are we even arguing this? Some people need to add more water to their Kool-Aid packets.

Who do you think will have the longer better career?

[Freddie's Dead]

Seeing this game makes me even more angry about last week.  The Bills should be playing for home field in the AFC Championship Game tomorrow, instead of playing a round at the local golf course.

[TuelTime]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

4th quarter game winning drives? Rushing TDs?

 

Lol, I love how the fan base keeping using this statistic.. He wouldn't be behind in the fourth quarter if he didn't suck in the other 3!! Okay, now we want to add RUSHING TDs to the QB metric??? Come on guys.. try to be objective here.

[JerseyBills]

Ingram became ineffective and the whole Offense FROZE. They were stagnant

Shows you who the real Leader of that O is.

 

Edited January 12, 2020 by JerseyBills

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Do you honestly not see the difference between how the two are used and why it might lead to some unpleasant realities wrt Jackson’s ceiling?

 

Seriously, how much NFL football do you watch? How many teams have you seen have success running read-option for more than a season or two? 

I think your making the point more complex then it needs to be. The two QBs have similarities as players. It just comes down to who is a better passer and runner ultimately. I cant put Allen above Jackson from what ive seen, even after one bad game. I don't know how people can. 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, TuelTime said:

 

Well if we are just using the eye test, Allen is fools gold.. EJ 2.0. But let's not address to QB position for a couple years because Allen has a high ceiling.

EJ ? EJ freaking Manuel ? What did he last, 12 games or something ? Maybe the worst 15 minutes of QBing ever Vs JAX in England? You have zero credibility with a statement like that. To borrow another OPs phrase “ you’re an idiot”. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

 

Well if we are just using the eye test, Allen is fools gold.. EJ 2.0. But let's not address to QB position for a couple years because Allen has a high ceiling.

EJ never ever made a single pass as good as Allen. If you think there are any similarities between EJ and Allen other than first round picks of the Bills, you know nothing about football. Nothing. 

Edited January 12, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, london_bills said:

I just read your post and think so much of it also applies to the bills season, the record doesn't matter, home or away doesnt matter. The Bills had a great chance against the texans and we couldn't get it done. Jacksons history is richer than what allen has done and so I do find it ironic how people have Jackson figured out, that's hes overrated, and Allen figured out that he's a franchise QB or along those lines. The season matters in terms of understanding what you have in a player and Jackson has destroyed more teams than Allen has. 

 

The Ravens season had nothing to do with our season.  Everyone agrees that we're still a work in progress.  Allen needs to improve and we desperately need to upgrade the offense, particularly skill players. 

 

IMO we overachieved this season.  We were playing with house money in Houston.  In contrast, the Ravens were 14 - 2 and had locked up home field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs.  They are loaded on offense.  Just look at the pro Bowl roster to see how the 2 teams compare.  Their QB played terribly and because of his play they lost the game.  This isn't a case where the Ravens D didn't show up and they lost 38 - 35 with Jackson playing great.  They lost 28 - 12 and scored ONLY one TD and that was in the 4th quarter.

 

The realistic expectations for the Ravens was through the roof.  If the Bills went 14 - 2 and lost their first playoff game I would be deeply disappointed.  I'm pissed off about the Houston game because we blew a big lead and still could have stolen the game in OT.  But let's be clear NO Bill's fan should be feeling even a fraction of the disappointment that the Ravens fans are going to feel over the entire off season.

 

 

[CoudyBills]

9 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I think most people knew if you get Baltimore down 10-14 points Lamar would crumble. He will get a pass cause of his “stats” but watching the game he didn’t look like an MVP other than his running. I’m sure Baltimore fans sound like us right now, terrible play calling, need some bigger receivers who can catch on the outside, defense didn’t show up. Same kinda stuff we’re dealing with. 

Bigger receivers on the outside won't help.  Most outside balls didnt make their way to the receivers, jumped all night.  

Edited January 12, 2020 by CoudyBills

[TuelTime]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

EJ never ever made a single pass as good as Allen. If you think there are any similarities between EJ and Allen other than first round picks of the Bills, you know nothing about football. Nothing. 

 

EJ had poor offensive line play, bad WRs.. no run game.. you know all the same excuses that are made for Allen's poor play.

[CoudyBills]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

EJ never ever made a single pass as good as Allen. If you think there are any similarities between EJ and Allen other than first round picks of the Bills, you know nothing about football. Nothing. 

He's a low grade troll.  

[Bookie Man]

TANNETHRILL! 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

I think your making the point more complex then it needs to be. The two QBs have similarities as players. It just comes down to who is a better passer and runner ultimately. I cant put Allen above Jackson from what ive seen, even after one bad game. I don't know how people can. 

 

 

No. Just...no.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

 

Lol, I love how the fan base keeping using this statistic.. He wouldn't be behind in the fourth quarter if he didn't suck in the other 3!! Okay, now we want to add RUSHING TDs to the QB metric??? Come on guys.. try to be objective here.

I'm pretty sure you said:

6 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

whatever metric you want Jackson is a better QB.

he certainly didn't do a great job coming back from behind.

[eball]

4 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

 

Lol, I love how the fan base keeping using this statistic.. He wouldn't be behind in the fourth quarter if he didn't suck in the other 3!! Okay, now we want to add RUSHING TDs to the QB metric??? Come on guys.. try to be objective here.

Why exactly are you guys answering this douche?

[Rc2catch]

Just now, TuelTime said:

 

Lol, I love how the fan base keeping using this statistic.. He wouldn't be behind in the fourth quarter if he didn't suck in the other 3!! Okay, now we want to add RUSHING TDs to the QB metric??? Come on guys.. try to be objective here.

Objectively everyone outside raven fans and fantasy football nerds knows Baltimore is running a complex wildcat with Lamar. The season he just completed will probably never be duplicated. Objectively almost everyone knew if Baltimore got behind Lamar could not bring them back. Objectively it’s been pretty obvious all year he really struggles throwing to the outside. Objectively 90% of the people who actually watched his games knew his stats were extremely padded. 
 

Allen is a quarterback, maybe not a great one yet. But he’s running a complex offense not a gimmick. Ravens are running a wildcat with 1000 variations where Lamar rarely makes an actual read of the secondary. He reads the defensive line and either throws it or runs right away. There are plays he does read the field and can do it successfully but it’s very rare. 

[CoudyBills]

Just now, NC Book said:

TANNETHRILL! 

Yes sir, all 13 yards passing.  ?