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Irregardless of the lateral play he got the team in position to tie the game with no timeouts.  Then in OT took the team down the field a lack of execution by the pulling center and Tr to block Kirkpatrick and then a horrible block penalty in first is what kept him from and the Bills from winning this game.

 

little over zealous on the Allen hate.

 

i love Allens passion to win and thought he did ok.  Players need to step up for the guy and also make some plays, oh and some plays to attack the middle of the field that was wide open in OT would of been nice

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s not good vs the run. Oliver was the better player by far at the end of the year. Is he a nice piece in the rotation - yes. But he won’t be paid what he wants by the Bills because  they won’t value him that high and that’s ok. He should get as much as he can on the open market. 

 

Yep. And after he underperforms his contract on a bad team (won’t be his fault, as his limits are what they are) and gets cut, he can come back here and play with the people he loves again. It happens so often in this league. 

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49 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

He reverted to hero ball ON ONE PLAY on the game tying FG drive (the lateral) and maybe on one play (the huge sack) on the drive before that.  And like his overstated "accuracy issues" Allen DID NOT revert to hero ball in this game.

 

In fact in the Bills ONLY OT drive Allen seemed calm and collected, or at least he did until he took that wicked head shot, as he drove the Bills down the field for the game winning FG.  He made two excellent throws to convert 3rd & long on that drive. 

 

As for Singleterry not getting carries in OT that can be attributed to 2 facts:

 

1)  On the QB sweep that should have won the game but for two guys missing a block it's likely that the play was so wide open because the Texans were keying on Singleterry. 

 

2)  The Bills only had ONE OT possession because our defense couldn't get off the field on a 3rd & 18.

 

 


don’t get me wrong— I thought Allen played a fantastic first half. As soon as the 4th quarter hit though, a switch went off. He looked like he was forcing everything. 
 

4th quarter on— he was in total hero ball mode. He was looking to bomb it or run it every time. The DiMarco throw. The bad sacks. The lateral. Multiple unnecessary scrambles. It was really bad. Not like the Allen I had seen for most of the season. 

 

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People are always going to put the blame on the QB, and Allen did some things/didn’t do some things that deserve criticism. That being said, I think anyone wanting to use this game as a harbinger of the future is really missing the mark. He did enough to win the game multiple times and was let down by his team, coaches, and the refs. Blame is 100% sharable in this game, and really, it has to be. You don’t lose a game after leading 16-0 in the third without the entire team doing their jobs poorly. 

 

I consider this a good game for josh in that he will learn from it and be prepared the next time the bulbs in the lights are even bigger than the 60 Watters they use in Dallas and Pittsburgh. His time will come. I’m encouraged, even when he was crapping the bed (as some might describe it, though I don’t think it was ever as bad as they say it was) he still did good things and got us close to a W. It’s all downhill from here.

 

 

edit: downhill in a good “it’s easier” way...

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He was complimentary of his 1st half but I couldn’t copy it all. The point of his article was to break down why he unraveled in the 4th and so I chose that to include as the excerpt for those without a sub 

I did read the whole article and understand that.  He didn’t mention play calling down the stretch though like substituting their big package in after they were rolling down the field after that Singletary screen.  A Frank Gore handoff for zilch didn’t exactly put Allen in a favorable position.  Neither did going for it on 4th and 27.  The coaching staff was a large reason he reverted back to hero ball form.  Good learning experience for Josh in the long run but some more context would’ve led to a stronger article.

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16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I did read the whole article and understand that.  He didn’t mention play calling down the stretch though like substituting their big package in after they were rolling down the field after that Singletary screen.  A Frank Gore handoff for zilch didn’t exactly put Allen in a favorable position.  Neither did going for it on 4th and 27.  The coaching staff was a large reason he reverted back to hero ball form.  Good learning experience for Josh in the long run but some more context would’ve led to a stronger article.

Definitely a lot of blame to go around. He was not calm, he was playing frantically and that is not all on him. Coaching. oL play. Etc.  poor decisions from the coaches and poor execution from the players in crunch time. Hopefully they all learn from it. 

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3 hours ago, Process said:

This clown bashes Allen every single week. Meanwhile refers to the browns potentially hiring Daboll as a "huge loss"

I’m guessing that because you are “Process”, that you find any criticism insulting and would refer to anyone who disagrees as a clown 

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3 hours ago, mannc said:

Funny, I thought the weather was fine in the dome on Saturday.  How did so many Bills “lose their footing” on the same play?

I could be wrong but I don't think slipping is always weather related. 

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It's getting hard to let go of this game every time "what's ifs" are brought up about this game.  

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4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think that many just feel it would not be a good use of valuable development time for Allen to have to learn a new offense going into this year. I’m not sure if that’s what joe b means but I’ve heard others say this 

 

it would be valuable development if Allen has an OC that doesn't force him to throw 46 times in his first playoff game ever on the road. 

 

Daboll leaving will be the best thing to ever happen to Allens career 

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The line fell apart in the 4th qtr and overtime. Singletary missed blitz pick up. Allen choked. Just about everything unraveled.  

That is on the coaching staff. 

On to next year. Schedule will be tougher but roster will be better too.

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41 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

I’ll always remember Josh for “the lateral”.            Pure Genius

Stopped the clock without a penalty, saving 20 seconds when there was only a minute left. 

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

The line fell apart in the 4th qtr and overtime. Singletary missed blitz pick up. Allen choked. Just about everything unraveled.  

That is on the coaching staff. 

On to next year. Schedule will be tougher but roster will be better too.

 

I just watched that play where Songletary doesn't pick up the blitz and Josh gets an intentional grounding penalty. Mostly because I wanted to know how 3 Texans had Allen wrapped up and falling vertical, pushing him back 3 yards, but there was no "in the grasp" call.

 

What I was shocked to see was Dawkins compeletly ignore Mericlous. He may have even brushed Dawks shoulder on the way by, and he didn't even look at him. Like he just let the edge rusher past and he kept he hands up pointing them at empty air with no one to block. He didn't even turn his head to acknowledge his presence. I'm stupified.

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41 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

 

 

Daboll leaving will be the best thing to ever happen to Allens career 

 

Oh, I highly doubt that. It's not so easy to design a complete gameplan for a QB that has difficulty in completing a pass over 25 yds.

 

Nobody can sit here and praise Allen for an amazing 1st half and at the same time crucify Daboll for a poor 2nd half. They call that talking out of both sides of your mouth.

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4 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

No surprise re Allen. You could make this conclusion watching the game in real time. He reverted to hero ball.

 

it didn’t help that Daboll refused to run Singletary a single time in OT, or even really line a RB up in the backfield. 

Empty backfield in ot when all that was needed was a fg was inexcusably stupid, especially considering the lack of pass protection and success of passing attack in the last qtr and a half.

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48 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

What I was shocked to see was Dawkins compeletly ignore Mericlous. He may have even brushed Dawks shoulder on the way by, and he didn't even look at him. Like he just let the edge rusher past and he kept he hands up pointing them at empty air with no one to block. He didn't even turn his head to acknowledge his presence. I'm stupified.

Go watch the QB sweep right in the 4th quarter.  Knox, Ford and Morse all block ghosts, while Cunningham practically hospitalizes Allen.  You’ll be super extra-stupified.

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The deer-in-the headlights look on Allen's face seen often in the 2nd half told me that he unraveled big-time. We can say it's because it was his 1st playoff game but we won't know if that is true until he gets there again. 

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I thought this was about the best Joe B write up of the year. He was watching the same game as me. 

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There was plenty of blame to go around.   I hope we don't go back to attack anyone who says anything vaguely critical about Josh Allen mode during the board was during the last off-season.

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allen lost the plot for a bit late in the game, you could see a crazed look on his face.  he was putting the world on his back, partly because his teammates were letting him down save motor (brown and duke each dropping two huge balls both early and late in the game, bad line play, etc), and partly because his coaches were putting it all on him (empty set on first down in overtime?  that goofy package of lee smith, the full back, and our rb all going out in routes w max protect, did we run out of that effectively at all?  the d knew what was happening the whole time).

 

most of the players on O were worse tho, especially down the stretch.  the blocking was terrible and i don't think it's just our players being trash, missing the RDE totally on 3rd down by the OG, OT, and RB leading to the total disaster is on coaching as well.  being predictable and not practicing consistency is the problem.  most complicated O ever, and we can't execute a sweep with a 3 to 1 advantage on blockers.  teams like new england don't have that happen.

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11 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

His standards for grading are an absolute joke and lack context.   His other stuff is decent

 

What do you think are his standard for grading and how do you disagree with them?

 

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6 hours ago, mannc said:

Go watch the QB sweep right in the 4th quarter.  Knox, Ford and Morse all block ghosts, while Cunningham practically hospitalizes Allen.  You’ll be super extra-stupified.

Sometimes it's difficult to extrapolate blocking assignments, specific responsibilities etc for individual players in the modern NFL because plays seem so complex at times (for me, anyways).  But watching that reply 10x will make you wanna pull your hair out.  Sometimes you just need to smash the guy in front of you.   

 

In a game of a million "what ifs," this one takes the cake. 

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Joe B is a good reporter but his knowledge of football is rudimentary at best. If you're looking for detailed analysis and breakdowns from and all-22 perspective I'd recommend Aaron Quinn from Cover 1, Joe Marino from the Draft Network, and Bruce Nolan from Buffalo Rumblings. 

 

I tend to ignore Joe B's all-22 analysis because like a few of you have said, his grading system is totally unexplained and illogical. I think I started to realize this after the Philly game when he graded Star so well after we got absolutely gashed. 

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10 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

Irregardless of the lateral play he got the team in position to tie the game with no timeouts.  Then in OT took the team down the field a lack of execution by the pulling center and Tr to block Kirkpatrick and then a horrible block penalty in first is what kept him from and the Bills from winning this game.

 

little over zealous on the Allen hate.

 

i love Allens passion to win and thought he did ok.  Players need to step up for the guy and also make some plays, oh and some plays to attack the middle of the field that was wide open in OT would of been nice

 

Here there's a genuine Allen issue.  Deep middle was his worst throw this year.  Now in the Nextgen summary chart it shows worse than it is because they use passer rating and that's where he threw a bunch of picks early in the year.  But essentially, teams have been daring Josh to hit the deep post route because he hasn't shown that he can.  He needs to fix this during the off-season.

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, mannc said:

Funny, I thought the weather was fine in the dome on Saturday.  How did so many Bills “lose their footing” on the same play?

 

Turns out they were all playing with torn tendons.

 

#heroball.

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