Todd McShay Mock Draft 1.0 - Video

[Watkins101]

16 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Philadelphia trade their 1st (32) and 4th (132) to the Ravens for 2nd (52) , 4th (125) and 2019 2nd in the Lamar Jackson deal time move back 20 spots in 2018.

 

Green Bay traded their 1st (29) to Cleveland for their 2nd (33) and 4th (103) in 2017.

 

LA Rams traded their 1st (31) and 6th (203) to the Falcons for their 2nd (45) and 3rd (79) in 2019. 

Maybe we’d have to kick in our 4th instead... I didn’t do in-depth research before my post and just went off the top of my head on what the value would be roughly... wasn’t too far off  

 

 

You're still a ways off- our late first probably has similar value to their pick next year. Them throwing in their second as well would be overpay.

[billsintaiwan]

12 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

OBJ will never be a Bill- mark it down. The dude is a nut job and doesn’t remotely fit the culture. 

indeed the Bills have done well to avoid signing established maniacs. no ab, no obj, no worries. would love big talented receiver, but no nut jobs. they do exist. larry fitzgerald and jerry rice come to mind. michael thomas.

[golfball323]

18 hours ago, whorlnut said:

I would break something if they take a corner. And I would be pretty ticked if they took an edge rusher too, but I would understand it. 

 

Respect the process, man ?

[DrDawkinstein]

12 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m hoping for a house cleaning I like Atlanta. 
What wasted talent there. I can see them not going full rebuild and just trying to solidify the defense though. Seems to be the smart route. How can a team with Julio, Ridley, and hooper not be an offensive juggernaut? The defense has always been suspect. Hindsight they were only good with shanahan and been kinda crappy every other year 

 

Yeah, the 20/20 hindsight move would have been firing Quinn and promoting Shanahan right after the Super Bowl. But that would have been an unprecedented move by Blank.

 

Even crazier is the fact that the Falcons are already $3M OVER cap for next year! I'm sure they'll make up some room when they clean house, but damn, not a great spot for a new GM. It may be a 2-3 year rebuild before they are steady again, and by then Matt and Julio are done.

[JGMcD2]

59 minutes ago, Watkins101 said:

You're still a ways off- our late first probably has similar value to their pick next year. Them throwing in their second as well would be overpay.

I’m not. Future 1st is discounted one round, all future picks are, so that can’t be the case. 

Using the Bears (no 1st rounder) as an example trying to get back into the 1st to take a QB, say Jalen Hurts. 

 

Value of our picks that I listed would be 832.6 (1,4,6,6). 

 

Value of their picks (using the 1st pick in round 2 as value for their 2021 1st) 1,037 (1,4, 2021 1st). 

 

Highly doubtful the Bears have the #1 pick next year so I’ll use a mid-round 2nd rounder for the future 1st value. Value comes out to 926.

 

Is it really that unreasonable to believe that Chicago would make that deal? Excess value is roughly that of a late 3rd/early 4th.  

[foreboding]

19 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Hmmm, what did they have to trade to move up from 32 ? 

Best post in a while!!

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, billsintaiwan said:

indeed the Bills have done well to avoid signing established maniacs. no ab, no obj, no worries. would love big talented receiver, but no nut jobs. they do exist. larry fitzgerald and jerry rice come to mind. michael thomas.

Yes sir- same with Julio and Amari- it will all work out.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, StHustle said:

23. Buffalo Bills

Brandon Aiyuk, WR, Arizona State

Yes, John Brown and Cole Beasley have been a big part of the Bills' offense in quarterback Josh Allen's second season, but that doesn't mean the team doesn't need more help on that side of the ball. Aiyuk improves Buffalo's receiving corps with his versatility and speed. But don't be surprised if the Bills consider an edge rusher or cornerback here.

 

I hope not.  I want an elite pass catcher who is open when double covered, not a guy described as

"Aiyuk’s best skill is his run after catch ability...... He’s a fleet-footed speedster by trade who combines his long speed with physicality and some shiftiness."

[Solomon Grundy]

13 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

He doesn't.

 

It's probably a 2 year band aide, but he'd give us a really good look at Allen and give us arguably the best WR group in the NFL. 

 

Jones, Brown and Beasley on the outside, with Singletary and Knox, the supporting cast will be there to support what should be a top 10 NFL QB.

 

I'd still grab another receiver in the mid rounds, too. 

 

If we stick to the draft, Tee Higgins or Justin Jefferson are the big deep threat targets we should be trading up for.

What about Ceedee Lamb?

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, the skycap said:

What about Ceedee Lamb?

 

I assume he'll be a top 10 pick.

 

He'd be great but I don't love the idea of trading numerous picks away to get into the top 10 when there will be so many good receivers available later in the draft. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

20 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

6’1 205 is small? 

We need a dynamic, rangy talent who can grab "ZIP code" balls a la Thomas, Hopkins. That's the type of #1 receiver Josh Allen needs.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Giuseppe Tognarelli

[jrober38]

10 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

We need a dynamic, rangy talent who can grab "ZIP code" balls a la Thomas, Hopkins. That's the type of #1 receiver Josh Allen needs.

 

Deandre Hopkins is 6'1, 210 pounds. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I hope not.  I want an elite pass catcher who is open when double covered, not a guy described as

"Aiyuk’s best skill is his run after catch ability...... He’s a fleet-footed speedster by trade who combines his long speed with physicality and some shiftiness."

Maybe he will grow out of it, but I don't think Allen will utilize a contested catch, 50/50 ball type receiver. He doesn't like to throw to guys in tight coverage. A receiver that can create good separation and then separate further after the catch could be a tyreek hill type impact on the O.

 

I honestly believe this is a big reason why Duke has been inactive. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

27 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Deandre Hopkins is 6'1, 210 pounds. 

Understood, but he's got long arms and he plays bigger than his height.

[DrDawkinstein]

6'1" would be a "huge" addition to the starting WRs. Luckily, not a single top WR prospect is under 6' this year. We dont need a 6'4" guy who cant run.

 

6'1" or 6'2" is the sweet spot.

[atlbillsfan1975]

15 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

If they clean house, they should clean house.

 

Tear it down for draft picks, be really freaking awful in 2020 and go after Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields in 2021.

 

That seems like a no brainer to me. 

 

They'll be able to get a haul of picks for Ryan and Jones. 

It won’t happen . Arthur Blank has said Julio is retiring a Falcon.

[PaattMaann]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Maybe he will grow out of it, but I don't think Allen will utilize a contested catch, 50/50 ball type receiver. He doesn't like to throw to guys in tight coverage. A receiver that can create good separation and then separate further after the catch could be a tyreek hill type impact on the O.

 

I honestly believe this is a big reason why Duke has been inactive. 

 

you arent totally wrong but I Think you are generalizing. Josh has thrown into tight coverage this season, especially these past 5-ish games. Look at the huge play in the game sunday night, the thrown down the sidelines to Brown - the "Renedage" moment. Brown was draped (and interfered with). Allen will make those throws. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, PaattMaann said:

 

you arent totally wrong but I Think you are generalizing. Josh has thrown into tight coverage this season, especially these past 5-ish games. Look at the huge play in the game sunday night, the thrown down the sidelines to Brown - the "Renedage" moment. Brown was draped (and interfered with). Allen will make those throws. 

 

Agree.  It's been true that Josh has been cautious about throwing into tight coverage because I think he got the message 4x4 that if he kept up with the 3 INT games he'd be playing L bench.  He had to retrain his eye to say "I think I can hit that window but....NO", and he erred on the other side of caution for a while.

 

But he's been gradually dialing it back up.  I think one factor is whether he trusts a guy to make a catch that is a little off or is contested.  He trusts John Brown quite a bit, although John has variable success making the catch he will defend it.  I don't think Josh really trusts anyone else currently on the team for that, and perhaps for (reasons)

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

you arent totally wrong but I Think you are generalizing. Josh has thrown into tight coverage this season, especially these past 5-ish games. Look at the huge play in the game sunday night, the thrown down the sidelines to Brown - the "Renedage" moment. Brown was draped (and interfered with). Allen will make those throws. 

He's improving at it, and I'm sure it comes with growing trust as well. Like I said, maybe he'll grow out of it. I'm just saying based on his current skillset I think a guy who gets separation will be more impactful. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Josh was putting up 50/50 balls to start the season. But the Pats game showed him that the current WRs either CANT battle for the ball due to their size, or WONT battle for the ball (a la Zay Jones). It's not surprising that he stopped putting it up for grabs, and took a lot of arc off his deep balls, after that Pats game.

 

If we can bring in a big, physical WR and they build that trust, he'll put it up.

[hjnick]

16 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m hoping for a house cleaning I like Atlanta. 
What wasted talent there. I can see them not going full rebuild and just trying to solidify the defense though. Seems to be the smart route. How can a team with Julio, Ridley, and hooper not be an offensive juggernaut? The defense has always been suspect. Hindsight they were only good with shanahan and been kinda crappy every other year 

 

I could see Atlanta trade Julio.  Like you said, they still have Ridley to be their #1.  They traded Sanu to NE for a 2nd...  

I would NOT break the bank for Julio though.  Expensive contract.  Getting older. I wouldn't give more than a 2nd-3rd round pick for him. (or multiple lower picks).

 

What Buffalo needs is a true #1 WR.  Free Agent, Trade, Draft, don't really care how ya get him.  We do not need more *mediocre* (in the best way possible) WR's on this team.

 

I would be fine w/ AB on this team, but VERY cap friendly deal, all incentive based.

I would be fine for trading for Julio or Green, but not for a #1 pick.  They are good now, but for how long.  Not worth a #1 pick.

 

I would also like to get true elite speedy WR.  Someone that could blow the doors off the defense if they are not watching.  We have THE QB for this type of WR.  This type of WR could be found in the draft in later rounds.

[jrober38]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Josh was putting up 50/50 balls to start the season. But the Pats game showed him that the current WRs either CANT battle for the ball due to their size, or WONT battle for the ball (a la Zay Jones). It's not surprising that he stopped putting it up for grabs, and took a lot of arc off his deep balls, after that Pats game.

 

If we can bring in a big, physical WR and they build that trust, he'll put it up.

 

It's not a 50/50 ball when you throw into double or triple coverage. 

 

A big receiver would help, but he still needs to be more selective with the opportunities he takes down field.

 

He's been much better at this since the New England game when he was throwing prayers into areas with multiple defenders. 

Edited December 18, 2019 by jrober38

[hjnick]

5 hours ago, Watkins101 said:

You're still a ways off- our late first probably has similar value to their pick next year. Them throwing in their second as well would be overpay.

The late 1st round picks have been gaining more value because of the option for the 5th year, which only 1st round picks get.

 

Teams are trading up into the 1st round for that extra year and the cost is cheaper at the end of the round IF a player you love is there (capt'n obvious right ) 

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, the 20/20 hindsight move would have been firing Quinn and promoting Shanahan right after the Super Bowl. But that would have been an unprecedented move by Blank.

 

Even crazier is the fact that the Falcons are already $3M OVER cap for next year! I'm sure they'll make up some room when they clean house, but damn, not a great spot for a new GM. It may be a 2-3 year rebuild before they are steady again, and by then Matt and Julio are done.

 

Damn, 3 MIL over already!  Yeah, time to blow that crap up, take a hard year next year and GET the #1 pick.  new franchise QB...

 

Dude's a stud and worth blowing up a year to get him.

[Rc2catch]

45 minutes ago, hjnick said:

 

I could see Atlanta trade Julio.  Like you said, they still have Ridley to be their #1.  They traded Sanu to NE for a 2nd...  

I would NOT break the bank for Julio though.  Expensive contract.  Getting older. I wouldn't give more than a 2nd-3rd round pick for him. (or multiple lower picks).

 

What Buffalo needs is a true #1 WR.  Free Agent, Trade, Draft, don't really care how ya get him.  We do not need more *mediocre* (in the best way possible) WR's on this team.

 

I would be fine w/ AB on this team, but VERY cap friendly deal, all incentive based.

I would be fine for trading for Julio or Green, but not for a #1 pick.  They are good now, but for how long.  Not worth a #1 pick.

 

I would also like to get true elite speedy WR.  Someone that could blow the doors off the defense if they are not watching.  We have THE QB for this type of WR.  This type of WR could be found in the draft in later rounds.

Depending on what Atlanta does you may be able to do player(s) and picks. We may have some youngish players they’d like. 
Theilen and Diggs could be made available. 
AJ Green should hit free agency. He’s been playing cinci all year not wasting time playing on a dead team. If they franchise him they’d probably trade him for a mid pick 3-4 range but then you gotta pay the man. 
I could never support AB in the league again. Guy has lost his mind. He’s toxic. His head is so big now I would not be surprised if he never plays a meaningful down again. 
As for speedy not sure you’ll find someone that much faster than Brown. We haven’t seen it but that guy can burn down the sideline as good as anyone. Regardless they will be adding to the receiver room in the draft. I have zero doubts they’ll target at least one receiver for the draft even if they don’t use him much right away. 
I would expect Beane has a lot of ideas. He’s put in serious work and now he gets to have a little fun in a GM fantasy draft kind of perspective. I don’t think anyone is off the table when it comes to elite or impact players. He can burn a 1st rounder and even has a few players as trade bait. Obviously enough cap to absorb whatever contract he wants. 
 

If it’s me, I would sign Derrick Henry if he hits free agency for big money. I would throw my first rounder and more if needed at Detroit to grab Kenny Golloday. I would sign Shaq Lawson back and franchise Jordan Phillips seeing if he can do it one more year. 
Use the remaining draft picks on depth and the best pass rusher they have rated on their board available to them. 
And then I turned madden off. 

Edited December 18, 2019 by Rc2catch