Week 15: Bills at Steelers on SNF

[Bring it]

Honestly I think we are the better team. But the Steelers have a lot riding on this game. With the Ravens in their future and trying to hold onto a wild card spot they need this win bad! Plus prime time at home, it’s going to be a crazy intense game!!

[MAJBobby]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oooh, good point.  We had lasagna and cheesecake before the Dallas game.  Perhaps I should serve that Sunday.

 

 

Or not

 

 

Or is 

 

 

[ProcessYaDigg]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Neither does Buffalo. And what do you know, we also have a fumbling prone QB.

 

No it's not Lamar Jackson and crew but their D is pretty legit and I can see them blowing up our O line often. Don't underestimate this team. They have everything riding on this game and they're home.

Ask the Cowboys how that Thanksgiving game went when they had everything riding on that game while at home

[jimmy10]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

The next two weeks will define this season.  We will know if they are a legitimate playoff team or just the beneficiaries of an easy schedule.  

Defense needs to create some short fields and an early lead.  Daboll needs to move the pocket and get the ball to Beasley and Knox early.  

Also, our guys need to catch footballs thrown their way. 

[ALF]

I hope they can protect Allen better then against the Ravens. I would put Bates in as a blocking TE.  A big body as a FB next to Allen to pass protect. Yep the Steeler D has me concerned. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Neither does Buffalo. And what do you know, we also have a fumbling prone QB.

 

Did you know that the Bills are tied for 4th in the league for fumbles lost with 5, and 8th in the league for total turnovers with 14?

 

The Steelers are tied for 17th in fumbles lost (with the Jets) and 21st for total turnovers, with 21. 

I grant you, the Bad Reindeer is responsible for most of the INTs. 

 

But the point is, let's not go too nuts.  Are we hearing about the Giants "fumble prone QB" (Daniel Jones has 15, one more than Allen)?  Kyle Allen has 12, as do Winston and Minshew, while Wentz has 11 - are we hearing about them as "fumble prone QBs"?

 

4 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

No it's not Lamar Jackson and crew but their D is pretty legit and I can see them blowing up our O line often. Don't underestimate this team. They have everything riding on this game and they're home.

 

I agree, Steelers D is totally legit and so is their OL.  We need to come in revved up and ready to play.  We need Daboll to come up with a good game plan and we need Allen to "take what the defense gives him" in the way of quick short and intermediate passes early in the game.

[QB Bills]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Did you know that the Bills are tied for 4th in the league for fumbles lost with 5, and 8th in the league for total turnovers with 14?

 

The Steelers are tied for 17th in fumbles lost (with the Jets) and 21st for total turnovers, with 21. 

I grant you, the Bad Reindeer is responsible for most of the INTs. 

 

But the point is, let's not go too nuts.  Are we hearing about the Giants "fumble prone QB" (Daniel Jones has 15, one more than Allen)?  Kyle Allen has 12, as do Winston and Minshew, while Wentz has 11 - are we hearing about them as "fumble prone QBs"?

 

 

I agree, Steelers D is totally legit and so is their OL.  We need to come in revved up and ready to play.  We need Daboll to come up with a good game plan and we need Allen to "take what the defense gives him" in the way of quick short and intermediate passes early in the game.

I'm surprised at that stat. I thought Allen would be way lower. What are the stats for total fumbles regardless of who recovers?

 

Bad reindeer..?

[finn]

"Just ok," eh? Maybe their offense without Big Ben. But as many people are saying here, this defense is about as scary as they come, and they're a particular bad matchup for the Bills offense. Look at the patterns: A QB who holds the ball longer than anyone else in the league against one of the best pass rushing and blitzing teams, if not the best; a QB who can't hit the long ball to keep the defense from sitting on the short passes. A QB who has a fumbling problem against a defense known for creating turnovers. I hope Daboll comes up with an answer, but I don't see what it will be with Allen. He's talented, but his talents--a powerful arm and scrambling abilities--don't work very well against an effective blitz/pass rush. Essentially he needs to learn how to be a Brady-type rhythm passer overnight. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Scott7975]

13 minutes ago, finn said:

. Look at the patterns: A QB who holds the ball longer than anyone else in the league 

This is incorrect. There are 7 QBs who hold the ball longer and 2 more who are tied with him. They are not all crap QBs in that list below him either. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[PaattMaann]

13 hours ago, Tesla03 said:

 

no one is worried about our defense 

 

ppl are concerned about Dabboll calling another poor game and Allen not being able to beat a top defense. 

 

Per your Daboll point - he called a game that both had guys open short, and guys open Deep. Allen chose to go for the throat and go deep, and routinely missed. Then when he did hit on them, they were dropped. I don't fault Daboll for that.

 

Allen beat denver and dallas and tennesee, all top 10 defenses. But I guess it only counts when Allen can't beat a top defense, not when he does. 

Edited December 13, 2019 by PaattMaann

[ProcessYaDigg]

31 minutes ago, finn said:

"Just ok," eh? Maybe their offense without Big Ben. But as many people are saying here, this defense is about as scary as they come, and they're a particular bad matchup for the Bills offense. Look at the patterns: A QB who holds the ball longer than anyone else in the league against one of the best pass rushing and blitzing teams, if not the best; a QB who can't hit the long ball to keep the defense from sitting on the short passes. A QB who has a fumbling problem against a defense known for creating turnovers. I hope Daboll comes up with an answer, but I don't see what it will be with Allen. He's talented, but his talents--a powerful arm and scrambling abilities--don't work very well against an effective blitz/pass rush. Essentially he needs to learn how to be a Brady-type rhythm passer overnight. 

Quick short to intermediate slants with some effective screen passes should be the plan this game

[SCBills]

Pittsburgh has forced an absurd 33 turnovers so far this year.   If there was ever a game to hammer home ball security. 

[metzelaars_lives]

Their defense is absolutely loaded with talent and their offensive line is one of the very best in the league.  Outside of the offensive skill positions, they have as good a roster as any team in football.

Edited December 13, 2019 by metzelaars_lives

[BUFFALOKIE]

On 12/11/2019 at 12:22 PM, BritBill said:

  

I am too. It was impossible to watch. 

Curious, how do you manage traffic lights?

[BritBill]

12 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

Curious, how do you manage traffic lights?

 

It's not hard. I know red is at the top, amber middle and green at the bottom. 

 

Plus, the red and green are a very distinctive shade. 

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, BritBill said:

 

It's not hard. I know red is at the top, amber middle and green at the bottom. 

 

Plus, the red and green are a very distinctive shade. 

 

Don't give Kim any ideas for a new home uniform combination.

[BritBill]

3 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Don't give Kim any ideas for a new home uniform combination.

 

Throw in some gold and the colours would be like my dreams. 

[eball]

57 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said:

Their defense is absolutely loaded with talent and their offensive line is one of the very best in the league.  Outside of the offensive skill positions, they have as good a roster as any team in football.

 

Fortunately for us, those offensive skill positions are just a wee bit important in a game like this.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, metzelaars_lives said:

Their defense is absolutely loaded with talent and their offensive line is one of the very best in the league.  Outside of the offensive skill positions, they have as good a roster as any team in football.

Not sure which team you're talking about, but the Steelers have outstanding offensive skill position players, just like they always have. 

Edited December 13, 2019 by mannc

[JROC INTEL]

Might already have been said, Juju reinjured knee, unlikely to play. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Pretty good article this morning from Pittsburgh papers on trying to contain JA:

 

https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-josh-allen-the-latest-mobile-quarterback-to-test-steelers-in-a-whole-new-way/

 

[eball]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

Not sure which team you're talking about, but theSteelers have outstanding offensive skill position players, just like they always have. 

 

What Pittsburgh offensive skill position players have played "outstanding" football this year?

[metzelaars_lives]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

Not sure which team you're talking about, but the Steelers have outstanding offensive skill position players, just like they always have. 

Not really.  Duck Hodges, James Conner (product of OL, obviously), a hobbled JuJu, James Washington (nice vertical threat), Vance McDonald (I guess).  Do you want me to name 20 teams with a better collection of skill position players?  I could start with the Bills.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, metzelaars_lives said:

Not really.  Duck Hodges, James Conner (product of OL, obviously), a hobbled JuJu, James Washington (nice vertical threat), Vance McDonald (I guess).  Do you want me to name 20 teams with a better collection of skill position players?  I could start with the Bills.

I wasn't including the QB.  Smith-Schuster, James Washington and Dionte Johnson are as good as any WR group in the league, McDonald is an above average TE and Conner is an excellent RB.  I would take those guys over the Bills skill position players any day and I don't think it's even close.  There is a reason Ducky Hodges has been successful, and it's not the NFL-level coaching he received at Stamford.  If JA had a similar group of skill position players, he'd be lighting up the scoreboard.

5 minutes ago, eball said:

 

What Pittsburgh offensive skill position players have played "outstanding" football this year?

Smith-Schuster has been hurt, but he's proven he's a really good WR.  Same with Connor at RB.  James Washington is emerging as a serious downfield threat, and Dionte Johnson is one of the two or three best rookie receivers in a very good WR class.  When Smith-Schuster is healthy (I know he's out this weekend), I can't think of a WR group in the league that I'd rather have. 

[PaattMaann]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

I wasn't including the QB.  Smith-Schuster, James Washington and Dionte Johnson are as good as any WR group in the league, McDonald is an above average TE and Conner is an excellent RB.  I would take those guys over the Bills skill position players any day and I don't think it's even close.  There is a reason Ducky Hodges has been successful, and it's not the NFL-level coaching he received at Stamford.  If JA had a similar group of skill position players, he'd be lighting up the scoreboard.

 

hahahahhahaah, oh boy. 

 

Texans say hi

Falcons say hi

Saints say hi

Packers say hi 

Cleveland says hi

Dallas says hi

Buccaneers say hi 

and thats just right now off the top of my head dude 

 

GTFO with that. Smith Schuster is a good WR, but lets pump the breaks on him even being ELITE yet...one good year, one great year, and hes been hurt all year this year. Washington is a 2nd year WR who was meh last year but showed glimpses, and has been decent this year. And Johnson is a rookie. Calling them "as good as any" in the league is a farce. 

[eball]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

 

Smith-Schuster has been hurt, but he's proven he's a really good WR.  Same with Connor at RB.  James Washington is emerging as a serious downfield threat, and Dionte Johnson is one of the two or three best rookie receivers in a very good WR class.  When Smith-Schuster is healthy (I know he's out this weekend), I can't think of a WR group in the league that I'd rather have. 

 

I'm sure you realize you didn't answer my question.  Who is playing "outstanding" football for the Steelers this year?

[mannc]

Just now, PaattMaann said:

 

hahahahhahaah, oh boy. 

 

Texans say hi

Falcons say hi

Saints say hi

Packers say hi 

Cleveland says hi

Dallas says hi

Buccaneers say hi 

and thats just right now off the top of my head dude 

 

GTFO with that. Smith Schuster is a good WR, but lets pump the breaks on him even being ELITE yet...one good year, one great year, and hes been hurt all year this year. Washington is a 2nd year WR who was meh last year but showed glimpses, and has been decent this year. And Johnson is a rookie. Calling them "as good as any" in the league is a farce. 

Why are all those teams saying hi?  I don’t understand.  

[PaattMaann]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Why are all those teams saying hi?  I don’t understand.  

 

you already know the answer, but cute

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'm sure you realize you didn't answer my question.  Who is playing "outstanding" football for the Steelers this year?

I’m not sure any one of them has been outstanding, but as a group I believe they are.  

3 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

you already know the answer, but cute

Oh, I know.  It’s just a juvenile and annoying figure of speech.

[metzelaars_lives]

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

I wasn't including the QB.  Smith-Schuster, James Washington and Dionte Johnson are as good as any WR group in the league, McDonald is an above average TE and Conner is an excellent RB.  I would take those guys over the Bills skill position players any day and I don't think it's even close.  There is a reason Ducky Hodges has been successful, and it's not the NFL-level coaching he received at Stamford.  If JA had a similar group of skill position players, he'd be lighting up the scoreboard.

Smith-Schuster has been hurt, but he's proven he's a really good WR.  Same with Connor at RB.  James Washington is emerging as a serious downfield threat, and Dionte Johnson is one of the two or three best rookie receivers in a very good WR class.  When Smith-Schuster is healthy (I know he's out this weekend), I can't think of a WR group in the league that I'd rather have. 

Are you serious?

[PaattMaann]

10 minutes ago, mannc said:

I’m not sure any one of them has been outstanding, but as a group I believe they are.  

Oh, I know.  It’s just a juvenile and annoying figure of speech.

 

so instead of admitting your argument is asinine you just play dumb about how I phrased it? cool man, thanks for your great contribution! 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, metzelaars_lives said:

Are you serious?

Yes.  It’s a big reason that the Steelers unloaded Antonio Brown.

[metzelaars_lives]

7 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

hahahahhahaah, oh boy. 

 

Texans say hi

Falcons say hi

Saints say hi

Packers say hi 

Cleveland says hi

Dallas says hi

Buccaneers say hi 

and thats just right now off the top of my head dude 

 

GTFO with that. Smith Schuster is a good WR, but lets pump the breaks on him even being ELITE yet...one good year, one great year, and hes been hurt all year this year. Washington is a 2nd year WR who was meh last year but showed glimpses, and has been decent this year. And Johnson is a rookie. Calling them "as good as any" in the league is a farce. 

San Francisco, LA Rams, Seattle, Kansas City, LA Chargers...

[mannc]

Just now, PaattMaann said:

 

so instead of admitting your argument is asinine you just play dumb about how I phrased it? cool man, thanks for your great contribution! 

How about this?  I disagree that those teams have better WR groups than Pittsburgh.

[metzelaars_lives]

Just now, mannc said:

Yes.  It’s a big reason that the Steelers unloaded Antonio Brown.

It's not ANY of the reason the Steelers unloaded Antonio Brown.  Ugh I come on here for a break from politics on Twitter and this is even dumber.

[PaattMaann]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

How about this?  I disagree that those teams have better WR groups than Pittsburgh.

 

sure, you can definitely disagree, thats the point of a message board. I am confident literally no one else on earth agrees with you though (see the replies to your comment above already)

[mannc]

1 minute ago, metzelaars_lives said:

It's not ANY of the reason the Steelers unloaded Antonio Brown.  Ugh I come on here for a break from politics on Twitter and this is even dumber.

Feel free to disagree.  I’ve watched a lot of Steeler games this year; it’s a really talented group and it’s a big reason the Steelers haven’t fallen on their face despite being down to playing a third-string undrafted rookie QB.

[Stank_Nasty]

the steelers wr group is about as middle of the pack as it gets....