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3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Uh... Trump's numbers are higher than ever, Congress's is lower than ever. The Dems are about to lose the House and the Oval again... someone with a very small mind thinks that's being destroyed? 

 

No wonder his analysis of the past three years (on every level) has been so laughably wrong. 

You mean the number of people thinking he deserves to be impeached? Ya. 

 

How does Trump win without women? They hate him 

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Like I said yesterday, it was the tipping point for the demise of the Dems. They are going to lose huge in 2020 and then fracture into a bunch of fringe splinter parties, socialists, communists, green, fascists, and others. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the KKK reborn under the new democrat tent. 

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3 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

I'm too young to remember the Clinton situation, and I am not well read enough on it to comment. My biggest issue in this current iteration of Impeachment sweepstakes is that it generates a precedent. As someone said, at least with Clinton there was a crime. With this, the precedent now exists that the losing party can try to overturn the results of an election that didn't go their way with made up evidence and Kangaroo courts. It's not a big deal here, and I agree it likely will help Trump and the R's, but next time the hunting party might hold the house and the senate, and all the sudden it's a different ballgame for the person in the Oval- be it a republican or a democrat, because it isn't just one side that will see this precedent as an opportunity in the future. 

I'm 39 so I followed the entire Clinton process. The argument that THIS sets a dangerous NEW precedent because Clinton lied under oath about a ( ) seems flimsy.

 

At any rate, many of the same people now decrying the procedure spent the entirety of the Clinton presidency HOUNDING him the same way the left now hounds Trump. Difference being, Trump was crafty enough to avoid ever testifying under oath. 

 

Clinton was loathed by the right for the same reasons Trump is loathed by the left. Politics were a bit different, but it centered around morality. Ironic in a sense. 

 

What the Dems are doing now is pretty much the same thing Newt and company did in the 90's, and I reckon a good number on the board thought that was great!

 

At the end of the day, Clinton would have been re-elected to a theoretical third term in a landslide and Trump may very will win re-election because of these proceedings(and the economy.) But we've been here before. 

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1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm 39 so I followed the entire Clinton process. The argument that THIS sets a dangerous NEW precedent because Clinton lied under oath about a ( ) seems flimsy.

 

At any rate, many of the same people now decrying the procedure spent the entirety of the Clinton presidency HOUNDING him the same way the left now hounds Trump. Difference being, Trump was crafty enough to avoid ever testifying under oath. 

 

Clinton was loathed by the right for the same reasons Trump is loathed by the left. Politics were a bit different, but it centered around morality. Ironic in a sense. 

 

What the Dems are doing now is pretty much the same thing Newt and company did in the 90's, and I reckon a good number on the board thought that was great!

 

At the end of the day, Clinton would have been re-elected to a theoretical third term in a landslide and Trump may very will win re-election because of these proceedings(and the economy.) But we've been here before. 

 

We really haven't. 

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5 minutes ago, dubs said:

Like I said yesterday, it was the tipping point for the demise of the Dems. They are going to lose huge in 2020 and then fracture into a bunch of fringe splinter parties, socialists, communists, green, fascists, and others. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the KKK reborn under the new democrat tent. 

  I kind of wanted to start "The future of the Democrats" thread but now it would look like I would be hijacking your thoughts.  I said yesterday that the Democrats of the past namely FDR, JFK, LBJ Democratic Party had real people for its backbone such as labor and main stream women but this is no longer true. Many younger people see nothing wrong with communism because it has been pushed as sugar cookies at most universities for generations now.  I fear that the Communists will be the major opposition party to the Republicans if the Republicans are allowed continued existence.  

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11 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm 39 so I followed the entire Clinton process. The argument that THIS sets a dangerous NEW precedent because Clinton lied under oath about a ( ) seems flimsy.

 

At any rate, many of the same people now decrying the procedure spent the entirety of the Clinton presidency HOUNDING him the same way the left now hounds Trump. Difference being, Trump was crafty enough to avoid ever testifying under oath. 

 

Clinton was loathed by the right for the same reasons Trump is loathed by the left. Politics were a bit different, but it centered around morality. Ironic in a sense. 

 

What the Dems are doing now is pretty much the same thing Newt and company did in the 90's, and I reckon a good number on the board thought that was great!

 

At the end of the day, Clinton would have been re-elected to a theoretical third term in a landslide and Trump may very will win re-election because of these proceedings(and the economy.) But we've been here before. 

  Probably due to political leanings we are not going to see this the same way.  For me Mrs Clinton made an extremely curious statement when she asked Trump just ahead of Election Day if he would accept the outcome of the ballots.  No Presidential candidate had ever made such a proclamation ahead of elections.  As a matter of fact her statement for me was a foretelling that something was not right behind the scenes.  Making this brief while the Republicans wasted a lot of time harassing Bill Clinton over political differences they never during that  period sought to subjugate the election process.

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LOL...the scary part is there are dimwits out there asking if the president is still in the white house...

I wonder how many democrats are completely uninformed to that point are out there are roaming around...

reminds me of George Romero's Night of the living dead.

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42 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm 39 so I followed the entire Clinton process. The argument that THIS sets a dangerous NEW precedent because Clinton lied under oath about a ( ) seems flimsy.

 

At any rate, many of the same people now decrying the procedure spent the entirety of the Clinton presidency HOUNDING him the same way the left now hounds Trump. Difference being, Trump was crafty enough to avoid ever testifying under oath. 

 

Clinton was loathed by the right for the same reasons Trump is loathed by the left. Politics were a bit different, but it centered around morality. Ironic in a sense. 

 

What the Dems are doing now is pretty much the same thing Newt and company did in the 90's, and I reckon a good number on the board thought that was great!

 

At the end of the day, Clinton would have been re-elected to a theoretical third term in a landslide and Trump may very will win re-election because of these proceedings(and the economy.) But we've been here before. 

 

I won't speak for the other conservatives on the board but I thought and still do think that the Clinton impeachment was a bunch of political childish BS. 

 

And I'll agree with DR. We have not been here before. This ain't even close!  The Trump impeachment began before he was even sworn in.  So seeing you are someone who followed the entire Clinton impeachment process would you care to enlighten us as to when THAT process started?  

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32 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I won't speak for the other conservatives on the board but I thought and still do think that the Clinton impeachment was a bunch of political childish BS. 

 

And I'll agree with DR. We have not been here before. This ain't even close!  The Trump impeachment began before he was even sworn in.  So seeing you are someone who followed the entire Clinton impeachment process would you care to enlighten us as to when THAT process started?  

Oh please - political BS....you guys cheered on Benghazi, Lock her Up, the EMAILS, the SERVER with your clips of doofus twitterheards.....you would have done the same in 1998

 

Clinton"impeachment"started immediately after his election in 1992 with various Whitewater press reports....Ken Starr picked up after some other dude in 1994 and culminated in impeachment in a GOP led congress in 1998....pretty much exactly what is going on now - expect Clinton went down for a BJ and DT got impeached for much worse....

 

The only place your righteousness lives is here ....LOL

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1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Lindsay was wrong just like 2016 dem primary voters were.  Jim Webb was the only decent candidate on the dem side. 

 

The difference between someone on the right like Graham and someone on the left like Pelosi or Schiff or even Barry or Hillary is that when someone on the right realizes they are wrong, they admit it and change course.

 

When someone on the left is wrong, they find someone on the right to blame for it and explain how "it wasn't so much that we were wrong as we just didn't get our message across properly."

 

That's why every time a Safeway stain like Busey posts one of those old posts, it makes me chuckle, because he'll simply never be smart enough to understand the irony of his own posts.

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13 minutes ago, TH3 said:

DT got impeached for much worse....

 

Tell us again why DT got impeached. Can you get us the evidence while you're at it?

 

I never heard evidence. I just heard the scratching sound of Schiff moving goal posts like a SNL skit.

 

It's collusion! It's treason! It's quid pro quo! It's a floor wax! It's a dessert topping!

 

Wait you guys! Trumps impeachment is a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

 

Funniest schitt ever. At this pace, 2020 is going to be a bloodbath. Especially if someone like Warren gets the nod.

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3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Tell us again why DT got impeached. Can you get us the evidence while you're at it?

 

I never heard evidence. I just heard the scratching sound of Schiff moving goal posts like a SNL skit.

 

It's collusion! It's treason! It's quid pro quo! It's a floor wax! It's a dessert topping!

 

Wait you guys! Trumps impeachment is a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

 

Funniest schitt ever. At this pace, 2020 is going to be a bloodbath. Especially if someone like Warren gets the nod.

See no evil? Hear no evil? Maybe you should of paid attention you half wit 

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6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Tell us again why DT got impeached. Can you get us the evidence while you're at it?

 

I never heard evidence. I just heard the scratching sound of Schiff moving goal posts like a SNL skit.

 

It's collusion! It's treason! It's quid pro quo! It's a floor wax! It's a dessert topping!

 

Wait you guys! Trumps impeachment is a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

 

Funniest schitt ever. At this pace, 2020 is going to be a bloodbath. Especially if someone like Warren gets the nod.

 

 

...and from the Cory Dane song, "Pow Wow"......."my teepee is cold and empty".............

 

https://genius.com/Cory-daye-pow-wow-lyrics

 

 

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2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

You mean the number of people thinking he deserves to be impeached? Ya. 

 

How does Trump win without women? They hate him 

Lies are your nourishment 

Keep up the good work for mother Russia comrade. Very well done.

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53 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Oh please - political BS....you guys cheered on Benghazi, Lock her Up, the EMAILS, the SERVER with your clips of doofus twitterheards.....you would have done the same in 1998

 

Clinton"impeachment"started immediately after his election in 1992 with various Whitewater press reports....Ken Starr picked up after some other dude in 1994 and culminated in impeachment in a GOP led congress in 1998....pretty much exactly what is going on now - expect Clinton went down for a BJ and DT got impeached for much worse....

 

The only place your righteousness lives is here ....LOL

 

Based on the highlighted part it is safe to assume you have no idea what you are talking about so you are not deserving of any debate. 

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7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Based on the highlighted part it is safe to assume you have no idea what you are talking about so you are not deserving of any debate. 

 

 

....wonder if the investigators THEN are as squeaky clean as what we're finding out NOW as far as lily white, FBI, DOJ, CIA, etc(COUGH).......hmmmm......

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3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

blah blah blah #orangemanbad blah blah blah

sounds like someone is jealous. 

 

just keep a hold of them thar ankles, i'm sure someone will ***** along and help you out.

c um is censored?? really?

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

sounds like someone is jealous. 

 

just keep a hold of them thar ankles, i'm sure someone will ***** along and help you out.

c um is censored?? really?

You? 

1 minute ago, Albwan said:

So very telling that both gar and tibs fallback is always some gay innuendos.

Ummmm...you know when guys say things like you just did there it’s usually that they are hoping to find a fellow traveler...a fellow 

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You? 

  Maybe while you and Putin are celebrating the People's Worker's Holiday (No, I don't believe Putin is a Christian.  Just something he says to pander to the masses) you can get the inside scoop as to how he helped aid various parties across the globe in dispatching Epstein.  You could give us the story via a new sock.  So many theories out there Putin would be none the wiser when his intelligence service comes across it.  By the way go to a location many kilometers from your townhouse and immerse that laptop in sulfuric acid before tossing it into the Volga.  Ivan.

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4 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  I kind of wanted to start "The future of the Democrats" thread but now it would look like I would be hijacking your thoughts.  I said yesterday that the Democrats of the past namely FDR, JFK, LBJ Democratic Party had real people for its backbone such as labor and main stream women but this is no longer true. Many younger people see nothing wrong with communism because it has been pushed as sugar cookies at most universities for generations now.  I fear that the Communists will be the major opposition party to the Republicans if the Republicans are allowed continued existence.  


thanks!  Go for it!  I’m not ready to own a thread anyway. Hah

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19 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

I don't know that I'd say this impeachment will all by itself end government as we know it, but it's a massive step toward the complete destabilization of the balance of power that is the foundation of our government.

 

The Clinton impeachment was one of the most egregious abuses of constitutional authority of the last half century. This blows that out of the water.

 

At least with Clinton there was proof that he had committed a felony while in office. It was still ridiculous because there's no law that disqualifies a felon from holding office, and perjury about a #### ### is not treason, it's not bribery, & it's not a high crime or misdemeanor. But at least it was a crime.

 

President Trump is being impeached for doing something that isn't a crime, and certainly appears to have had a legitimate basis

Agree with your measured approach as well as this post, but I disagree with the bolded. He wanted Zelensky to put out a press release stating they were investigating the Biden's. I didn't even get the sense from the transcript that he wanted an actual investigation; just a press release. Honestly, I don't care, it's not a crime, and I don't like the impeachment. But the notion that Trump was rooting out corruption in this particular case; not buying it.

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