The Impeachment Trial of President Donald J. Trump

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[3rdnlng]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Face it, we just out number you guys. 

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In a brief tweet, Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) explained, “Zelensky told Trump he needed military aid. Then Trump said, ‘I would like you to do us a favor, though.’ That same day, Michael Duffey sent an email directing military aid to be withheld. Now the White House is withholding Duffey’s emails. This is a cover-up.”

That is not how that conversation went. Someone is lying.

[Foxx]

6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

that was bad. i know he was going for levity but all it did was leave me shaking my head. they are their own worst enemies, they are seriously tone deaf. 

Edited January 23, 2020 by Foxx

[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

 Someone is lying.

Yes, Trump. 

 

 

Just read the transcript and listen to the witnesses 

 

 

But seriously, would you care what Trump did was wrong? 

[Foxx]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Yes, Trump. 

 

 

Just read the transcript and listen to the witnesses 

 

 

But seriously, would you care what Trump did was wrong? 

that's the thing, it wasn't. if he didn't seek to question apparent improprieties, he would not be doing his job and would then be doing a disservice to his country.

[TakeYouToTasker]

36 minutes ago, daz28 said:

He specifically said cities, and even listed each of them.  Again, the data is elusive, so I'm not going to argue something that can't be proven, but when 20% of voting age people are voting I can't see what crazy math it would take to say that 100% of registered voters voted.

The percentage of registered voters who vote has nothing to do with the percentage of those eligible to vote who register.

[Tiberius]

Just now, Foxx said:

that's the thing, it wasn't. if he didn't seek to question apparent improprieties, he would not be doing his job and would then be doing a disservice to his country.

He wasn't looking for improprieties, he was looking for an announcement of an investigation, nothing more. Trump cares about corruption, lol. How naive does one have to be to believe that 

[B-Man]

 Impeachment polling might be BAD for Dems, because Chuck Schumer just upped the fear-mongering ante

The Senate impeachment trial for President Trump is entering day three, and this morning Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer addressed that subject — but not before adding another element to the mix:

 

 

 

 

Maybe the fact that Schumer felt the need to dial up the fear-mongering is some proof that the Dems’ impeachment trial effort isn’t moving the public opinion needle.

 

Also, not that it needs to be said, but Schumer is yet again full of BS:

 

Lies, damn lies, and Chuck Schumer: Yesterday Trump was asked about Entitlements, aka "Mandatory Spending." There are many components of "Mandatory Spending." He said it was something that had to be looked at, which is true.

 

1. Trump never said "social security."
2. The President does not have the power to cut "mandatory spending" since it's, well, MANDATORY.
3. Mandatory spending is out of control.
4. Trump makes the point that with such a strong economy it's a good time to look at entitlements.

5. It is a good time to look at entitlements since more people have jobs than ever and wages at the lowest income levels are growing.
6. Schumer and the Democrats hate this president more than they love the country. They know darn well mandatory spending is out of control.

 

Not only did Trump never actually say he was cutting spending, his own budget proposals expand Medicare and Social Security spending faster than Obama.

This is like in '96 when the GOP increased Medicare spending and the media screamed Republicans were "gutting Medicare."

 

I know their impeachment showtrial is going badly..............but if they have to fall back to these old chestnuts...........Holy Cow.

 

 

 

 

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[Chandemonium]

How many times is ol’ jerry going to repeat himself over the next 8 hours without actually presenting any evidence of his allegations?

[Foxx]

ol' Jerry Lewis Nads is done. thank goodness.

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

He wasn't looking for improprieties, he was looking for an announcement of an investigation, nothing more. Trump cares about corruption, lol. How naive does one have to be to believe that 

lol. your impeaching him because, "he was looking for an announcement..., nothing more"? my gosh you guys are deranged.

Edited January 23, 2020 by Foxx

[B-Man]

From watching the media fall all over themselves this morning trying to worship at the altar of Adam Schiff (yikes and gross), you’d think the House Democrat managers were just KILLING IT at the Impeachment Trial. In reality, most Americans are over this entire impeachment sham (hoax, circus, clown show, s**t-show, etc) and have even started to tune it out.

 

This is not good for Democrats who are relying on this nonsense to campaign because as we all know they wasted the last four years trying to overturn an election and didn’t get anything done.

 

Not the best campaign strategy.

 

 

 

 

People are simply exhausted of the entire thing, especially when it’s obvious the articles contain no crimes and this is just an opportunity for Democrats to make big speeches about how orange man is bad for their base. And then when Trump is acquitted they’ll claim it was because the fix was in, never acknowledging they had nothing real to charge him with in the first place.

 

Most Americans have figured it out.

 

Sorry, Democrats.

 

 

 

Murkowski: “Very Offended” Over Nadler’s “Cover-Up” Accusation

 

https://hotair.com/archives...

 

If Nadler is going to keep doing their job for them with the 4 swing Republicans, Sekulow & Co may just rest without making any kind of opening stmt.

 

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, daz28 said:

He specifically said cities, and even listed each of them.  Again, the data is elusive, so I'm not going to argue something that can't be proven, but when 20% of voting age people are voting I can't see what crazy math it would take to say that 100% of registered voters voted.

 

You might want to dig into the world of 'ballot harvesting.'

 

Totally legal in CA, which is why literally every one of the 58 counties in CA turned blue in the last election.

 

Every one.

 

Illegal in many states, but done nonetheless.

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 Impeachment polling might be BAD for Dems, because Chuck Schumer just upped the fear-mongering ante

The Senate impeachment trial for President Trump is entering day three, and this morning Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer addressed that subject — but not before adding another element to the mix:

 

 

 

 

Maybe the fact that Schumer felt the need to dial up the fear-mongering is some proof that the Dems’ impeachment trial effort isn’t moving the public opinion needle.

 

Also, not that it needs to be said, but Schumer is yet again full of BS:

 

Lies, damn lies, and Chuck Schumer: Yesterday Trump was asked about Entitlements, aka "Mandatory Spending." There are many components of "Mandatory Spending." He said it was something that had to be looked at, which is true.

 

1. Trump never said "social security."
2. The President does not have the power to cut "mandatory spending" since it's, well, MANDATORY.
3. Mandatory spending is out of control.
4. Trump makes the point that with such a strong economy it's a good time to look at entitlements.

5. It is a good time to look at entitlements since more people have jobs than ever and wages at the lowest income levels are growing.
6. Schumer and the Democrats hate this president more than they love the country. They know darn well mandatory spending is out of control.

 

Not only did Trump never actually say he was cutting spending, his own budget proposals expand Medicare and Social Security spending faster than Obama.

This is like in '96 when the GOP increased Medicare spending and the media screamed Republicans were "gutting Medicare."

 

I know their impeachment showtrial is going badly..............but if they have to fall back to these old chestnuts...........Holy Cow.

 

 

 

 

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chuck has been a sitting US Senator since 1998.  I would assume the number of articles written on the trajectory of the Social Security program sine that time number in the hundreds of thousands.  I would bet 98% of those articles skew negative.  Yet this rich, entitled, sanctimonious, hypocritical boated piece of human politics can say without shame or irony that Trump is the problem. 

 

f u, chuck. 

[B-Man]

MARK STEYN ON IMPEACHMENT: Objection: Sad!

This time I’m the one disinclined to follow along. The left, being not terribly imaginative, always accuse you of what they’re doing themselves.

 

So, in this case, President Trump is charged with interfering with the 2020 election by men who have been interfering with the 2016 and 2020 elections for over three-and-a-half years now. Which is why we have the preposterous spectacle of four Democrat presidential candidates preparing to vote to remove from office the guy they’re running against.

 

This is a joke. I gave up on it when, on the eve of the trial, the laughably named “Government Accountability Office” released its supposedly entirely separate conclusion that Trump had acted “illegally”. Aside from the fact that that “finding” is flat out wrong, I wonder whether the permanent bureaucracy ever thinks, “Gee, maybe we should be a little more subtle about putting our Deep State thumbs on the scale.”

 

 

Read the whole thing.

 

 

 

 

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[Foxx]

why wouldn't Schiffty let Nads talk? what is he hiding?

 

cover up!! impeach!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqu94NM967Q&feature=emb_logo

 

Edited January 23, 2020 by Foxx

[The Poojer]

it's been said by others in this and other threads on this board, I appreciate everyone giving their summaries of what is going on, both sides.  I am not one to sit down and watch and read all this for myself so i rely on the synopsis' i read here.  Whether i agree with your stance or not, i find these re-caps fascinating.  keep them coming.

[snafu]

That idiot just showed a chart of Biden vs. Trump poll numbers.

It showed that Biden's "lead" WIDENED between August through November.

 

Worst election influencer EVER!!!

IMPEACH!!!

 

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

That idiot just showed a chart of Biden vs. Trump poll numbers.

It showed that Biden's "lead" WIDENED between August through November.

 

Worst election influencer EVER!!!

IMPEACH!!!

 

it is really unbelievable that they are using 'polls' as a pretext for Trumps investigation of the Bidens, as proof that it was nefarious. i hope the WHC rebuts it by running the 2016 polls and their 90+% prediction that Hillary was going to win.

Edited January 23, 2020 by Foxx

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, The Poojer said:

While i agree with the message he is conveying, the dangerous part is when he says that people are depending on congress to do things for 'us'......good lord, that's a scary way to live your life

 

 

If Congress's job is not do "do things" for us what is their job exactly??

[The Poojer]

maintain order, that's about it and you see how well they do that.  Add them to the weather forecaster and mlb hitter jobs where you can be wrong 70% of the time and still be considered awesome at their job

 

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

If Congress's job is not do "do things" for us what is their job exactly??

Edited January 23, 2020 by The Poojer
grammar

[Chef Jim]

11 minutes ago, The Poojer said:

maintain order, that's about it and you see how well they do that.  Add them to the weather forecaster and mlb hitter jobs where you can be wrong 70% of the time and still be considered awesome at their job

 

 

Maintain order?  And that's about it??  I think someone needs to go back to Civics Class.  ?

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1220372058468704266

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Face it, we just out number you guys. 

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In a brief tweet, Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) explained, “Zelensky told Trump he needed military aid. Then Trump said, ‘I would like you to do us a favor, though.’ That same day, Michael Duffey sent an email directing military aid to be withheld. Now the White House is withholding Duffey’s emails. This is a cover-up.”

 

why are you sending this to me?   So  a tweet from Kamala allegedly quoting Trump in a highly parsed fashion without context  is good enough for impeachment, you run with that. I dont really care about these political gransdtanding theatrics.

[Albwan]

4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

why are you sending this to me?   So  a tweet from Kamala allegedly quoting Trump in a highly parsed fashion without context  is good enough for impeachment, you run with that. I dont really care about these political gransdtanding theatrics.

 

Kamala has joined Mitt and Hillary in the sourpuss loser club.

[daz28]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

What you'll find is that certain precincts in large democratic party controlled cities have 100+% voting. Philadelphia is one and so is Los Angeles County who had an extra 1.5 million voters on their rolls. Google and take a deep dive for yourself.

Phrasing it as certain precincts certainly makes it more believable than saying cities, but it's still sort of a moot point as they are Dem strongholds.  A few less votes probably wouldn't turn the state's to red anyways.  I'm curious as to why Republicans aren't/wouldn't be doing the same thing?  If the premise is Republicans are too honest of people to do it, then that wouldn't be sincere. If that is the case, then maybe they shouldn't be.  The registration and voting procedures are exactly the same for both parties.  

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 minutes ago, Albwan said:

 

Kamala has joined Mitt and Hillary in the sourpuss loser club.

Typical group of slimeball politicians that some people actually look up to?  Kamala is  whack job, often looks/acts like she has been smoking reefer, Hillary a shrewd old shrew, give her credit she developed the greatest political money laudnering machine in history under the guise of being chairtable, lol, and Mitt the sore loser romney. When he was running for president he didnt even have the balls to stand up to some of the absurd allegations againt him but suddenly grew a set against Trump after  dissed him, Romney now sucks up to the same Media that was trashing him when he ran for President, same thing with McCain. 

Edited January 23, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive

[Rob's House]

3 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I was kind of impressed the way the entire world watched Schiff spend an entire day lying....undeniably lying...with every statement. I mean, even some of the dumbest leftists could very easily prove he was lying.

 

And yet at day's end, all the leftist media mouthpieces were talking about what a masterful job Schiff did. I read some check marks admitting they've spent their entire lives listening to prosecutors, and what they heard from Schiff yesterday was not only the best they've ever heard, it was epic and historic and will be remembered in history as a pivotal moment in American politics.

 

The left ain't that smart, but damn they can coordinate a message in record time.

 

 

 

 

If you set aside the lies and just look at how effectively he framed the Democrat's case and delivered their message, he did a pretty good job, but it was nothing special or extraordinary.

 

This is about the equivalent of calling Rob Johnson's week 17 outing against the Colts a legendary performance.

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

44 minutes ago, snafu said:

That idiot just showed a chart of Biden vs. Trump poll numbers.

It showed that Biden's "lead" WIDENED between August through November.

 

Worst election influencer EVER!!!

IMPEACH!!!

 

 

WTH do polls numbers have to do with inmpeachment, is this Trump's trial or a long winded  political commercial.  I must pride myelf, i have seen zero of this political charade.

[RoyBatty is alive]

This impeachment is nothing more than political Kabuki Theater.  Both sides playing to their base and their respective bases will only hear what they want to hear.  This is like debating abortion, this entire charade will change very, very few minds.

Edited January 23, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive

[3rdnlng]

7 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Phrasing it as certain precincts certainly makes it more believable than saying cities, but it's still sort of a moot point as they are Dem strongholds.  A few less votes probably wouldn't turn the state's to red anyways.  I'm curious as to why Republicans aren't/wouldn't be doing the same thing?  If the premise is Republicans are too honest of people to do it, then that wouldn't be sincere. If that is the case, then maybe they shouldn't be.  The registration and voting procedures are exactly the same for both parties.  

What with the slim margins in some states a few ill gotten votes can change the outcome. The dems are notorious for election fraud. It's understandable when they fight tooth and nail against such simple voting laws as voter I.D. I'm not going to prove anything to you, I've already been down this route and have proven it to myself. You can do the same thing by searching online. Good luck. 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

What with the slim margins in some states a few ill gotten votes can change the outcome. The dems are notorious for election fraud. It's understandable when they fight tooth and nail against such simple voting laws as voter I.D. I'm not going to prove anything to you, I've already been down this route and have proven it to myself. You can do the same thing by searching online. Good luck. 

 

In 2016 election there were 4 documented cases of voter fraud.

 

1. An Iowa Republican voted for Trump twice - Terri Lynn Rote

2. A Texas man voted twice - Phillip Cook

3. An Illinois woman cast a ballot on behalf of her dead husband - Audrey Cook

4. A Florida woman marked absentee ballots to fill in the bubble for a specific mayoral candidate - Gladys Coego

 

There's zero evidence of notorious dem election fraud. President Trump's Voter Fraud Commission also found zero evidence of voter fraud and was disbanded.

[Uncle Joe]

I turned it on for a bit only to hear Schiff say,
"Imagine Putin's aides hearing this and running to tell Putin. Imagine Putin thinking..."

Nice fairy tale.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

22 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

This impeachment is nothing more than political Kabuki Theater.  Both sides playing to their base and their respective bases will only hear what they want to hear.  This is like debating abortion, this entire charade will change very, very few minds.

I agree with your overall sentiment here. But there is more than kabuki going on. There’s also an attempt to divert attention away from the heat bearing down on the establishment:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1220446221057384454

[Bakin]

25 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

This impeachment is nothing more than political Kabuki Theater.  Both sides playing to their base and their respective bases will only hear what they want to hear.  This is like debating abortion, this entire charade will change very, very few minds.

I disagree. 
there are many moderates and independents who are watching and if they have 2 brain cells to rub together they are going ‘this is a farce...a joke...”

[Joe Miner]

1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

You might want to dig into the world of 'ballot harvesting.'

 

Totally legal in CA, which is why literally every one of the 58 counties in CA turned blue in the last election.

 

Every one.

 

Illegal in many states, but done nonetheless.

 

 

https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/14/ballot-harvesting-became-new-way-steal-election/

 

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, Bakin said:

I disagree. 
there are many moderates and independents who are watching and if they have 2 brain cells to rub together they are going ‘this is a farce...a joke...”

 

Well maybe i am wrong, i have heard NO ONE outside of the media & TBD discuss this....in other words real people.  From what i read in this thread sure as hell no one has changed/his/her mind.  I would like to see the TV ratings

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Well maybe i am wrong, i have heard NO ONE outside of the media & TBD discuss this....in other words real people.  From what i read in this thread sure as hell no one has changed/his/her mind.  I would like to see the TV ratings

11 million viewers in total across all 6 cable platforms which carried the first two days. 
 

That’s an epic failure in terms of people watching. No one is. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

If the prosecution brings them up, they're both fair game now and material witnesses. 

[IDBillzFan]

5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Well maybe i am wrong, i have heard NO ONE outside of the media & TBD discuss this....in other words real people.  From what i read in this thread sure as hell no one has changed/his/her mind.  I would like to see the TV ratings

 

No one is paying attention except a small population that likes this kind of sport, and the MAGA crowd.

 

Oh, and people like me, who is not so much a fan of Trump as I am a fan of watching liberals heads exploded.  If I knew he would so many people have such historic meltdowns, I would have voted for him myself.

 

The only thing missing is Trump getting re-elected AND getting the popular vote.

 

Nancy Pelosi might just schitt in the streets of SFO herself.

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

They are walking right into a trap and they still don't realize it