Stallions Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 The San Francisco 49ers have suspended broadcaster Tim Ryan for one game ... after the ex-NFLer said Lamar Jackson was successful at faking hand-offs because of "his dark skin." Ryan -- who played with the Chicago Bears from 1990-93 before starting his commentary career -- went on a KNBR radio show to discuss the Niners' 20-17 loss to the Ravens and why the QB is so good. “He’s really good at that fake, Lamar Jackson," Ryan said. "But, when you consider his dark skin with a dark football with a dark uniform, you could not see that thing." “I mean you literally could not see when he was in and out of the mesh point and if you’re a half step slow on him in terms of your vision, forget about it, he’s out of the gate.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Reading the 2nd paragraph, with all the context, what he's saying makes sense. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Harmless statement. Still dumb to say. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) I don't want to have to suspend myself, but I see his point. I took it more to be the Ravens dark jerseys than anything to do with skin color... Edited December 5, 2019 by Lurker 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, John in Jax said: Reading the 2nd paragraph, with all the context, what he's saying makes sense. It helped, but probably could of been said differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) I mean,... that isnt so bad, but I guess I see why he needs a quick timeout too. There's probably a different time and place and show to get away with saying that. And possibly better delivery too. I dont think it was hateful. If anything the suspension is a CYA policy from corporate. Still, dude was borderline at best. Edited December 5, 2019 by DrDawkinstein 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Stupid thing to say in today’s time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Yeah, nahhhhh dont say that bro. on the next episode he will say that during a night game the only way you could see Lamar would be if he smiled. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Glad they're wearing white not black this week. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: Glad they're wearing white not black this week. Careful. Statements like that might this thread booted to PPP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, WMDman said: Stupid thing to say in today’s time Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Ray Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Good grief. Everything is so offensive nowadays. 10 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 If the ball was light colored, and it was Josh Allen he was talking about while he is wearing a white jersey would anyone be mad? 7 minutes ago, Bakin said: Yeah, nahhhhh dont say that bro. on the next episode he will say that during a night game the only way you could see Lamar would be if he smiled. Why not say it? Lamar Jackson has dark skin. Is that a racist observation? Especially in the context he used that observation? Hell no. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Using that rationale shouldn't EJ have had a more successful career playing with the Raiders wearing Black uniforms? Dumb thing to say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lurker said: Careful. Statements like that might this thread booted to PPP... Sorry, but the dark football will be much easier to see against the Ravens white unis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 People going to turn this all political on both sides, ignoring the simple fact that the comment is just plain dumb. By this logic no one should have ever seen a baseball coming out of my hands to hit the fastball. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I can see the point, but you gotta realize in this day and age saying something like that isn't gonna end well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, The Red King said: I can see the point, but you gotta realize in this day and age saying something like that isn't gonna end well. What is his point though? His point is stupid. Every black QB should be successful based on this dumb logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, MJS said: Harmless statement. Still dumb to say. Sad statement on our times that this is considered 'dumb to say' when it is a completely relevant and astute point. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Saying having dark skin is an advantage - is now offensive? I thought saying it was a disadvantage was. I can't keep up with what can and can't be said. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, KD in CA said: Sad statement on our times that this is considered 'dumb to say' when it is a completely relevant and astute point. But it’s not relevant. I’m not being a PC warrior. It just makes no sense, politics aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: People going to turn this all political on both sides, ignoring the simple fact that the comment is just plain dumb. By this logic no one should have ever seen a baseball coming out of my hands to hit the fastball. Maybe it was different wear I played, I couldn't wear a white shirt on the mound. People had a hard enough time picking up the ball out of my hand anyway. Just the right combination of rocket fuel and wild as all hell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: If the ball was light colored, and it was Josh Allen he was talking about while he is wearing a white jersey would anyone be mad? Why not say it? Lamar Jackson has dark skin. Is that a racist observation? Especially in the context he used that observation? Hell no. No, no one would be mad if he commented about Josh. And no one would be mad if any black analyst made the comment about Jackson, in a half-joking manner. Or if Ryan said it in a way that was kinda joking with a black co-host, if they had that type of relationship. But accrediting advantages to skin color, especially those outside your own race, in a seriously analytical way, is always going to be borderline at best. Edited December 5, 2019 by DrDawkinstein 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: No, no one would be mad if he commented about Josh. And no one would be mad if any black analyst made the comment about Jackson, in a half-joking manner. Or if Ryan said it in a way that was kinda joking with a black co-host, if they had that type of relationship. But accrediting advantages to skin color, especially those outside your own race, in a seriously analytical way, is always going to be borderline at best. Nobody should be mad, period. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Sad statement on our times that this is considered 'dumb to say' when it is a completely relevant and astute point. 3 minutes ago, White Linen said: Saying having dark skin is an advantage - is now offensive? I thought saying it was a disadvantage was. I can't keep up with what can and can't be said. The point is dont say anything about skin color being any type of advantage or disadvantage, because it doesnt matter. Or at least not supposed to. I get what Ryan was trying to say here, and he aint wrong, but there are better takes to be made. Just now, Binghamton Beast said: Nobody should be mad, period. And I dont think anyone is. I havent read that the station was getting flooded with angry calls. And I doubt anyone in HR is "mad". They just have a CYA policy to follow to avoid lawsuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: People going to turn this all political on both sides, ignoring the simple fact that the comment is just plain dumb. By this logic no one should have ever seen a baseball coming out of my hands to hit the fastball. There's a reason there are black backgrounds in the centerfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 That's it! The Bills need to switch to medium-brown uniforms, and Josh needs to dye his hands brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GG said: There's a reason there are black backgrounds in the centerfield. True, just thinking my high school didn’t have any background, and no one complained about my hand being white. I’m not offended by this guys comment, I just don’t think it makes as much sense as some people do. Skin tone and ball color isn’t generally a big topic in sports, it just seems silly and dumb imo. Edited December 5, 2019 by SirAndrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 This may also be similar to why Sam Darnold spends so much time on the turf-- he's been trying to camouflage himself with the green uniform. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: People going to turn this all political on both sides, ignoring the simple fact that the comment is just plain dumb. By this logic no one should have ever seen a baseball coming out of my hands to hit the fastball. So, throwing a baseball is relevant how when talking about a QB that has a great skill set of play faking with a football? Were you able to stop mid windup in your delivery and pretend like you weren’t throwing a pitch? Your comparison is so flawed it isn’t funny. Edited December 5, 2019 by Binghamton Beast 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: The point is dont say anything about skin color being any type of advantage or disadvantage, because it doesnt matter. Or at least not supposed to. I get what Ryan was trying to say here, and he aint wrong, but there are better takes to be made. Maybe so, but it's ridiculous that one can't actually say "his skin is dark" without people reverting into hysteria as though the Klan was riding through town. And yes, a man being suspended from his job because of his employer's fear of mob 'justice' is hysteria. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Sad statement on our times that this is considered 'dumb to say' when it is a completely relevant and astute point. It's all PC and things right now, but the league might want to look into those black color rush unis during night games in the rain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And I dont think anyone is. I havent read that the station was getting flooded with angry calls. And I doubt anyone in HR is "mad". They just have a CYA policy to follow to avoid lawsuits. Lawsuits? For what??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: That's it! The Bills need to switch to medium-brown uniforms, and Josh needs to dye his hands brown. That sure has worked for Cleveland, hasn't it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, KD in CA said: Maybe so, but it's ridiculous that one can't actually say "his skin is dark" without people reverting into hysteria as though the Klan was riding through town. And yes, a man being suspended from his job because of his employer's fear of mob 'justice' is hysteria. Who did that? I think your perception of any type of political correctness is a little extreme. No one is boycotting the station, or planning a protest, or even calling in all angry. He barely crossed a tiny little line, but still crossed it, so corporate has to step in. It's not mob justice. It could be internal lawsuits theyre protecting against as well. Better to just not have it. It sounds like youre the most hysterical one here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBillsFan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Thoughts of different thoughts here: -The news articles calling this “racist” are wrong. He did not demean, insult, or refer to one race being superior. That term is wrong for this statement. -I have mixed feelings about whether or not you should be able to say a technically true statement. On one hand his statement is accurate. On the other, just because something is accurate doesn’t mean you should say it. An example outside of race, if you are talking to a 300lb woman,0 are you going to refer to her as fat. That’s probably not the best look. -My real question here is why did he get suspended and who is upset? I am sure we could all be suspended if our words, texts, conversations were made public. Additionally, I would be curious to see if Lamar or other African Americans found the statement to be offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said: Lawsuits? For what??????? Dude, who knows? This is America! Maybe Ryan makes one or two more borderline comments around the office and suddenly ***** snowballs and the employer has a situation to deal with. At least this shows they tried to do "something" about it. Again, it's just typical CYA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: True, just thinking my high school didn’t have any background, and no one complained about my hand being white. I’m not offended by this guys comment, I just don’t think it makes as much sense as some people do. He made an observation about the color similarities between the skin tone, uniform and the football. The picture on the previous page kind of supports his point. Are we at a point where it's wrong to say that a player has dark skin? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: This may also be similar to why Sam Darnold spends so much time on the turf-- he's been trying to camouflage himself with the green uniform. Do you remember the game when Jets players laid down in the green end zone to hide themselves? But it didn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Dude, who knows? This is America! Maybe Ryan makes one or two more borderline comments around the office and suddenly ***** snowballs and the employer has a situation to deal with. At least this shows they tried to do "something" about it. Again, it's just typical CYA. No, it isn’t what you are saying at all. You are throwing out the lawsuit game here. There is no chance in hell that a lawsuit would be entertained by any Federal Court for what Ryan said. It would be tossed out faster than the ink on any of its affidavits dried. Like KD in CA said, it is sheer hysteria as to why this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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