HOUSE Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The Dallas Cowboys (6-6) suffered a 26-15 defeat at the hands of the Buffalo Bills Thanksgiving Day. The loss has gotten even bigger in the aftermath as starting left guard Connor Williams suffered a season-ending torn ACL, according to CBS Sports' Patrik Walker. The second year lineman suffered the injury during the second quarter of Thursday's game. He will be replaced in the starting lineup by Xavier Su'a-Filo, who was the No. 33 overall selection in the 2014 NFL Draft by the Houston Texans. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-starting-lineman-connor-williams-suffers-season-ending-torn-acl/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Oh geeez. He was limping pretty bad. Looks like the Eagles take the east. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 That sucks probably shouldn't of tried putting him back out there. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Damn, and he went back out there. How do doctors not catch that and shut him down? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Bummer. I was hoping it wasn't serious when he limped off the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 That sucks. His replacement did not do very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: Damn, and he went back out there. How do doctors not catch that and shut him down? I don't know I will say the guy they put in for him was noticeably worse, so at best I'd say it was combination of everyone wanting him to go back in himself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Bummer. I was hoping it wasn't serious when he limped off the field. Absolutely. As much as I am glad to see us beat them handedly, I don't want players to get hurt and possibly have their careers affected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Did he sprain it and then tear when he went back out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, HOUSE said: The Dallas Cowboys (6-6) suffered a 26-15 defeat at the hands of the Buffalo Bills Thanksgiving Day. The loss has gotten even bigger in the aftermath as starting left guard Connor Williams suffered a season-ending torn ACL, according to CBS Sports' Patrik Walker. The second year lineman suffered the injury during the second quarter of Thursday's game. He will be replaced in the starting lineup by Xavier Su'a-Filo, who was the No. 33 overall selection in the 2014 NFL Draft by the Houston Texans. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-starting-lineman-connor-williams-suffers-season-ending-torn-acl/ yeah and to think they trotted him back out there at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, Virgil said: Damn, and he went back out there. How do doctors not catch that and shut him down? We have not perfected MRI powered glasses yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: We have not perfected MRI powered glasses yet. then the Cowboys Drs dont know how to properly do a Lachman’s test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I feel bad for the kid. I hope he has a full recovery. I also know Cooper was limping on/off the field. I hope for Dallas's sake he is ok. One thing about the game yesterday, I am glad we didn't suffer any major injuries. That is always a concern when games are played so close together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Sucks. Saw him try to go back out and play and then they pulled him. Did see that Cooper had no structural damage to his knee after the hit from taron Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: That sucks. His replacement did not do very well. No he didn't. Sua-Filo who was drafted by the Texans out of UCLA in round 2 of 2014. It was my first year trying to evaluate draft prospects. I didn't know much then.... some might say I still don't..... but I knew he sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I hate seeing injuries on either side of the ball with the only exception being the Patriots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: then the Cowboys Drs dont know how to properly do a Lachman’s test Lachman test has a sensitivity of 63-93%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: then the Cowboys Drs dont know how to properly do a Lachman’s test Found Dr Google! 3 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: Lachman test has a sensitivity of 63-93%. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Found Dr Google! Thanks. For a game where trauma is inflected on each play, I’m sure these trainers can access an ACL in their sleep. Obviously, some slip by. It’s not a perfect maneuver. Besides, anyone relying solely on a Lachman should have any license they have stripped. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: For a game where trauma is inflected on each play, I’m sure these trainers can access an ACL in their sleep. Obviously, some slip by. It’s not a perfect maneuver. Besides, anyone relying solely on a Lachman should have any license they have stripped. There’s a reason they don’t do a Lachman and then just operate. Edited November 30, 2019 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) Wait a minute......he tore his ACL and they TROTTED HIM BACK OUT THERE? Geez Edited November 30, 2019 by John from Riverside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Wait a minute......he tore his ACL and they TROTTED HIM BACK OUT THERE? Geez They obviously didn’t know it was torn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) Just now, oldmanfan said: They obviously didn’t know it was torn. I am rewatching it on DVR....the guy could barely walk when he went back on the field Edited November 30, 2019 by John from Riverside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: I am rewatching it on DVR....the guy could barely walk when he went back on the field Yep. Doesn’t mean they knew he had a torn ACL though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 52 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Found Dr Google! Thanks. 63% to 93% is enough accuracy to not put a player back in the game. but end of day it sucks for him hate injuries to players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 They are lucky that Cooper and Daks knees are still intact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I thought Cooper was done when I saw that hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: 63% to 93% is enough accuracy to not put a player back in the game. but end of day it sucks for him hate injuries to players You don’t know what you’re talking about and should stop. 63% sensitivity means that the test is positive in 63% of cases. That means that 37% of the time, the test is normal in a tear. So how is that enough accuracy? Spoiler - it’s not. Edited November 30, 2019 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: You don’t know what you’re talking about and should stop. 63% sensitivity means that the test is positive in 63% of cases. That means that 37% of the time, the test is normal in a tear. So how is that enough accuracy? Spoiler - it’s not. No but if there is even thought of a tear or the fact that its a possibility you shouldnt put the player back in the game... that put his career in jeopardy. The correct course of action is tonremove him from the game and wait on MRI. Playing one half of football isnt worth ruining a career Edited November 30, 2019 by Kmart128 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 8 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: You don’t know what you’re talking about and should stop. 63% sensitivity means that the test is positive in 63% of cases. That means that 37% of the time, the test is normal in a tear. So how is that enough accuracy? Spoiler - it’s not. it is enough for a guy limping around to not get put back in the football game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Kmart128 said: No but if there is even thought of a tear or the fact that its a possibility you shouldnt put the player back in the game... that put his career in jeopardy. The correct course of action is tonremove him from the game and wait on MRI. Playing one half of football isnt worth ruining a career I mean, guys go back into games after getting looked at by trainers all the time. And with a negative test, he might not have even had a tear at first. There may have been a thought that Cooper might have had a ligament problem, but he went back into the game and was fine. The players want to go back in. 15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: it is enough for a guy limping around to not get put back in the football game I’m sure Connor went in against his will, and didn’t beg the team medical staff to let him go back in, and DEFINITELY didn’t tell them that he’s fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: I mean, guys go back into games after getting looked at by trainers all the time. And with a negative test, he might not have even had a tear at first. There may have been a thought that Cooper might have had a ligament problem, but he went back into the game and was fine. The players want to go back in. but he went back in the game. After an extended halftime. So can’t tell me that knee didn’t start to swell. It wasn’t like a couple plays (like Amari). It was after what more than 30 minutes. 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: I mean, guys go back into games after getting looked at by trainers all the time. And with a negative test, he might not have even had a tear at first. There may have been a thought that Cooper might have had a ligament problem, but he went back into the game and was fine. The players want to go back in. I’m sure Connor went in against his will, and didn’t beg the team medical staff to let him go back in, and DEFINITELY didn’t tell them that he’s fine. yes it is well known players want to play. Sometime the team Drs need to protect the player from themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: but he went back in the game. After an extended halftime. So can’t tell me that knee didn’t start to swell. It wasn’t like a couple plays (like Amari). It was after what more than 30 minutes. Sure I can. He may have had a sprain that tore after he went back in. It may have not been swollen all that much. There’s a reason doctors do MRI’s and don’t just eyeball ligament damage. As I’ve said over and over and over. You just can’t seem to understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I just hope the Bill's staff errors on the side of caution with a injured player. The rest of the team will respect and appreciate that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Sure I can. He may have had a sprain that tore after he went back in. It may have not been swollen all that much. There’s a reason doctors do MRI’s and don’t just eyeball ligament damage. As I’ve said over and over and over. You just can’t seem to understand that. I can understand it. As I have torn mine a couple times. You know what happened with me when I sprained my knee and tried to go again team Drs would only clear me to go back in with a brace. so Williams Had a sprained knee. During a 30 plus minute halftime the Drs should have braced his knee at a minimum. it is Likely is was already torn because he went back in for one or two plays then came out again. Either way I don’t care just not a good look for Dallas Team Drs. Specially when players starting to come out and talk about the “care” by team Drs. Also Jerry’s Billion Dollar world likely has an internal MRI Machine. ***Edit***. Wow I am surprised that they don’t. And really surprised Bengals are only team that does. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jefffedotin/2019/07/08/medical-marvels-bengals-are-lone-nfl-team-with-an-mri-at-their-stadium/amp/ Edited November 30, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 13 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: We have not perfected MRI powered glasses yet. Well get on that, then! FWIW, Horrible Harry went back in too..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I can understand it. As I have torn mine a couple times. You know what happened with me when I sprained my knee and tried to go again team Drs would only clear me to go back in with a brace. so Williams Had a sprained knee. During a 30 plus minute halftime the Drs should have braced his knee at a minimum. it is Likely is was already torn because he went back in for one or two plays then came out again. Either way I don’t care just not a good look for Dallas Team Drs. Specially when players starting to come out and talk about the “care” by team Drs. Also Jerry’s Billion Dollar world likely has an internal MRI Machine. Like I said, the player needs to take personal responsibility for wanting to go back into the game. That’s 100% on them and no one else. They almost certainly don’t have radiology tech’s working at Jerry Workd on thanksgiving. This is just more inanity. Edited November 30, 2019 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Like I said, the player needs to take personal responsibility for wanting to go back into the game. That’s 100% on them and no one else. I don’t agree. Warriors are Warriors. Players get hurt they feel they are letting their Brothers down. Just like when Soldiers get hurt. They will put their body on the line for their Brothers. Just like Soldiers. at some point the Medical Staff employed by team also has to look out for players and protect them from themselves just as much as they have to ensure “deployability” (military) or availability for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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