xsoldier54 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Obviously, but is that really going to make a difference? It’s not like committing a personal foul. Sometimes fumbling is not preventable and it’s just a result of a defender making a great stab at the football or hitting the arm just right. If lightning strikes twice, how does that prevent him from fumbling? It was a one yard run and there was a massive hole to right but he can’t cut back like Motor Coaches would tell you that EVERY fumble is preventable. If you fumble in the NFL you are not going to get much playing time. PERIOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Perhaps but injuries are a part of football. I don’t think that can put the injury to Nsekhe on Singletary fumbling the football. It just happened That’s why I’m saying that sitting a player after a fumble doesn’t make much sense. In this case, it ended up hurting the Bills offense They sat him for a bit to get his head straight. It would hurt a lot more if he coughed up the ball and it went to the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, SirAndrew said: I’d like to think of it less as punishment, and more giving the guy time to settle down. If I were a coach, I’d be concerned that a guy needs some time to get his head back in the game. Sometimes fumbles come in bunches. As some sort of “discipline”, I don’t understand. It’s like when you see college coaches yelling at their kicker when they miss a field goal, it’s not like the guy wanted to miss the kick. Thanks man, this was my whole point. 1 minute ago, xsoldier54 said: Coaches would tell you that EVERY fumble is preventable. If you fumble in the NFL you are not going to get much playing time. PERIOD. Ouch....don’t tell that to our quarterback 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiz Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) The logic is that turnovers lose games. Gore may not be great anymore, but he doesn't fumble. Edited November 17, 2019 by Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: But if it’s random and not a result of poor technique , what good is that going to do? To prevent a player from costing them the game by giving the ball away? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, WideNine said: Yep, and that mad scramble behind the LOS and reversing the field created the situation where a defensive player dove and prob broke Nsekhe's ankle. You will notice a lot more injuries happen around poorly executed or broken plays. I think McD is trying to send a message to the whole team about penalties and ball security. 100% false. The play and run was right behind Ty and the guy trying to tackle Singletary is the one to land on the back on Ty’s leg. It happened before the fumble and reversing of the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I've never understood this, and it seems to come from the old-school coaching mentality. It's a total cut the nose off to spite the face move. Esp. when you HURT the team by sitting the better player. Unless you have a moron in there, any player who fumbles does not need to sit and think about "gee, I can't do that again" to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Gives them time to write an apology letter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 There are two schools of thought: bench a player or get him immediately involved on the next play from scrimmage, whether on a run or pass. Given his penchant for big plays, I would have opted for the latter with Singletary. Given McD's penchant for conservatism, I am not surprised he sat Singletary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Yeah- ya fumble twice and fail to 2 point the ball and you have now become a liability- it also sends a strong message that it isn’t tolerated. It really is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Cant fumble on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: But if it’s random and not a result of poor technique , what good is that going to do? Perhaps you might consider working hard to modify your technique if it leads to you being benched. If it's random, you might consider figuring out why it sometimes occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I know that this is Belichick’s philosophy - you fumble the ball, you go to the bench. I can understand this, if it’s a backup or a marginal player losing the ball. But from everything that I’ve read, for most players, fumbles are random. Some players are just prone to fumble the ball given their running style, but others fumble for random reasons. Bad luck or great timing by the defense. Often times it’s not concentration penalties like false starts/personal fouls or technique issues. So as long as it’s not a technique or focus issue, if you sit a player as a punishment, how will stop him from fumbling again? I get that Singletary can’t fumble the football but he is far and away the best player on the team. When Gore was in the game after the 2nd fumble, there was one run designed off tackle where there was a huge gap in the middle of the field. I’m certain that Singletary cuts it back and pops a big run but Gore just hurts the corner and was taken down for a 1 yard gain. I guess I get the message that turning the call over is not ok - but sitting a player like Singletary just seems the old “cutting off your nose, to spite your face” mentality. Can someone tell me what sitting Singletary accomplishes? let’s him think about it. I don’t recall ball security issues at FAU. But he is a Rookie who put the ball on the turf twice with his limited touches. So I am all for putting him on the bench for a series or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, WideNine said: Yep, and that mad scramble behind the LOS and reversing the field created the situation where a defensive player dove and prob broke Nsekhe's ankle. You will notice a lot more injuries happen around poorly executed or broken plays. I think McD is trying to send a message to the whole team about penalties and ball security. His leg was broken before the play turned around... 35 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: yup, just added that vid on my prior reply Except the ankle was broke before the fumble, so there’s that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: His leg was broken before the play turned around... Except the ankle was broke before the fumble, so there’s that.... Yeah was a done deal on the basic run unfortunately. Really posted that vid to show how he coughed the ball up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Or ... the fumble prone guy's original team gives up on him. A new team picks him up and acts as if the fumble prone thing never happened. And then it doesn't happen again. Please to meet you, Isaiah McKenzie ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: I've never understood this, and it seems to come from the old-school coaching mentality. It's a total cut the nose off to spite the face move. Esp. when you HURT the team by sitting the better player. Unless you have a moron in there, any player who fumbles does not need to sit and think about "gee, I can't do that again" to get it. The better player doesn't put the ball on the turf in a 2 score game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) Because Coach Boone said so Edited November 18, 2019 by EmotionallyUnstable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said: But if it’s random and not a result of poor technique , what good is that going to do? you’ve already decided why it happened and the response has no effect. What do you want from other posters here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: To prevent a player from costing them the game by giving the ball away? Nahhhh........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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