Peko released, Taylor to 53

[Saint Doug]

6 hours ago, Frez said:

Coach must read TBD message board! 

I told everyone I activated him...and I did. 

[TigerJ]

Peko's problem is he was trying to play nose tackle with an under tackle's body (and I'm being generous at that).  Oliver could get away with that in college,  but in the NFL those big centers and guards are going to eat you for lunch.

 

Now the question will be, can Taylor adjust from playing 3 tech on the PS to playing nose on the active roster?

[Buffalo716]

22 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Peko's problem is he was trying to play nose tackle with an under tackle's body (and I'm being generous at that).  Oliver could get away with that in college,  but in the NFL those big centers and guards are going to eat you for lunch.

 

Now the question will be, can Taylor adjust from playing 3 tech on the PS to playing nose on the active roster?

Or Phillips get moved to the 1 tech and Taylor stays at 3

[TigerJ]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Or Phillips get moved to the 1 tech and Taylor stays at 3

Yeah, that's possible.  Jordan won't be thrilled with that though.  I think he probably is enjoying the notoriety he gets when he's able to cause disruption from the 3 tech spot.  Nose tackle is a pretty thankless job if you get your thrills from reading your stats.  He's done some of it and knows the drill though.  

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Yeah, that's possible.  Jordan won't be thrilled with that though.  I think he probably is enjoying the notoriety he gets when he's able to cause disruption from the 3 tech spot.  Nose tackle is a pretty thankless job if you get your thrills from reading your stats.  He's done some of it and knows the drill though.  

Of course he won't be thrilled but it's not about Jordan it's about the team

 

He is a massively strong man and we need him more at 1tech than 3

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, Kmart128 said:

Should have been the move we made when Harry went down. Unfortunately i think Peko only made roster due to his wife

If this is the truth, we should all worry about the Bills FO. Putting a second rate player on the team, no matter the human element, is inexcusable if done so based upon sentiment. The Pegulas have plenty of money to pay for medical bills and could absolutely have taken care of Peko’s wife if he was on the PS. Peko was on the game-day roster each week he was on the team. He was on there because McD and Frazier wanted him to be.

[K-9]

8 hours ago, HOUSE said:

There is a god

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

At 341#, one would think that Phillips would be the best choice at 1-tech. 

He can’t take on double teams is the problem. He’s quick and has good pass rush moves, but his upper body is a lot stronger than his base. He can’t hold ground or play interior gaps where he has to deal with 2v1s...he get moved immediately. From what I remember seeing they tried him there for Titans and Dolphins and it didn’t work out.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He can’t take on double teams is the problem. He’s quick and has good pass rush moves, but his upper body is a lot stronger than his base. He can’t hold ground or play interior gaps where he has to deal with 2v1s...he get moved immediately. From what I remember seeing they tried him there for Titans and Dolphins and it didn’t work out.

He played NT at Oklahoma and was considered a 2 gap stuffer

 

He may not be a perfect plug and he's definitely more valuable at 3 tech but he might be the best 1 tech left besides star we have

[GoBills808]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

He played NT at Oklahoma and was considered a 2 gap stuffer

 

He may not be a perfect plug and he's definitely more valuable at 3 tech but he might be the best 1 tech left besides star we have

That’s why I’m hoping this new guy can at least fill in...from the snaps I saw Phillips take at 1tech last few weeks he looked pretty clearly out of position. 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

That’s why I’m hoping this new guy can at least fill in...from the snaps I saw Phillips take at 1tech last few weeks he looked pretty clearly out of position. 

He also has been playing 3 technique and that's a completely different style than a 1. It could take a few games for him to stop playing like a 3 and just play the most selfless position on the line where it's not about you

 

Taylor has also been best used as a 3 technique and is top heavy like you say with Phillips so he isn't a pure 1 tech

Edited November 3, 2019 by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He also has been playing 3 technique and that's a completely different style than a 1. It could take a few games for him to stop playing like a 3 and just play the most selfless position on the line where it's not about you

 

Taylor has also been best used as a 3 technique and is top heavy like you say with Phillips so he isn't a pure 1 tech

Yeh I was not impressed with Phillips these last few weeks tbh, the effort isn’t there any time he got asked to play the 1...he fires off in 3tech but I’ve had a couple gripes because I don’t see him doing the dirty work McD needs out of his DTs.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeh I was not impressed with Phillips these last few weeks tbh, the effort isn’t there any time he got asked to play the 1...he fires off in 3tech but I’ve had a couple gripes because I don’t see him doing the dirty work McD needs out of his DTs.

He likes to flash. Not exactly assignment and gap sound

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

He likes to flash. Not exactly assignment and gap sound

Yeah. I think he will get offers in FA and I know there will be a lot of complaining from Bills fans if it isn’t us but I’ll understand if they let Phillips walk. The tape is out there...H. Phillips is the better rotational 1tech for this defense, and what he and Lotulelei do is harder and more important. Imo they can get decent production out of the 3tech spot from pretty much any warm body in this scheme. 
 

 

[US Egg]

This was the move that should have been originally made three weeks ago.

 

But maybe it flew in the face of the process.

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, I am the egg man said:

This was the move that should have been originally made three weeks ago.

 

But maybe it flew in the face of the process.

Because everyone here goes to every practice and knows how every player is progressing.

 

Peko didn’t perform well so a change is made.  That’s part of process.

[r00tabaga]

He got his shot. Sometimes that's all we ask for. An opportunity to earn something. 

Now its Taylor's time.

 

Nice move.

[GG]

9 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah. I think he will get offers in FA and I know there will be a lot of complaining from Bills fans if it isn’t us but I’ll understand if they let Phillips walk. The tape is out there...H. Phillips is the better rotational 1tech for this defense, and what he and Lotulelei do is harder and more important. Imo they can get decent production out of the 3tech spot from pretty much any warm body in this scheme. 
 

 

 

Yeah, let's crap on the only DL who's made plays this season and has played out of his natural position.  Lord knows, Pegula needs to watch his checkbook to pay $15 million to Star & Murphy next year (and count about $20 million towards the salary cap) .  Much better to keep those guys and get a JAG to replace J Phillips.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GG said:

 

Yeah, let's crap on the only DL who's made plays this season and has played out of his natural position.  Lord knows, Pegula needs to watch his checkbook to pay $15 million to Star & Murphy next year (and count about $20 million towards the salary cap) .  Much better to keep those guys and get a JAG to replace J Phillips.

 

What do you know, the broken clock is correct!

[GG]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

What do you know, the broken clock is correct!

 

Now that the king of hot takes has agreed with me, I need to reevaluate my opinion.

[Olympus]

It always amazes me when this message board is a step or two ahead of the people who get paid millions to make these decisions. I can't decide if there is a chosen few on this board who truly have next level thinking when it comes to football management, or if its just the 1% of excrement still sticking on the wall. 

[iinii]

19 hours ago, HOUSE said:

There is a god

Yeah but he, she or it doesn’t care about football.....

[ColoradoBills]

12 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

If this is the truth, we should all worry about the Bills FO. Putting a second rate player on the team, no matter the human element, is inexcusable if done so based upon sentiment. The Pegulas have plenty of money to pay for medical bills and could absolutely have taken care of Peko’s wife if he was on the PS. Peko was on the game-day roster each week he was on the team. He was on there because McD and Frazier wanted him to be.

 

There is no evidence that this is the reason he was on the team.

Peko has been a part of the organization since September of 2018 when he was signed to the PS.

He was in camp and preseason all year.

I'm sure it's more of a player who looked the part (backup) in practice and not able to bring it come game day.

 

I do agree with others that the move should of came before the Eagles game.

[MiltonWaddams]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

There is no evidence that this is the reason he was on the team.

Peko has been a part of the organization since September of 2018 when he was signed to the PS.

He was in camp and preseason all year.

I'm sure it's more of a player who looked the part (backup) in practice and not able to bring it come game day.

 

I do agree with others that the move should of came before the Eagles game.

I actually said this exact thing if you read to the bottom of my post. Just saying…

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I actually said this exact thing if you read to the bottom of my post. Just saying…

 

Evidently I didn't read it the way you intended.  I probably should of quoted the source of your reply.

 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

Yeah, let's crap on the only DL who's made plays this season and has played out of his natural position.  Lord knows, Pegula needs to watch his checkbook to pay $15 million to Star & Murphy next year (and count about $20 million towards the salary cap) .  Much better to keep those guys and get a JAG to replace J Phillips.

Take a lap bro. Talkin football

[GG]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Take a lap bro. Talkin football

No, we're talking roster management, where you are out of your league.

 

Let's wait until game tape is available to see how your favorite DL fared this week.  Sure seems to be earning his paycheck, doesn't he?

 

[WideNine]

On 11/2/2019 at 1:04 PM, Doc said:

Finally!  Hope Peko's wife is/remains healthy though.

 

That part of the business sucks, but he was struggling and I think needed more seasoning on the PS.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GG said:

No, we're talking roster management, where you are out of your league.

 

Let's wait until game tape is available to see how your favorite DL fared this week.  Sure seems to be earning his paycheck, doesn't he?

 

Lmao ‘my favorite’. 
 

I don’t have ‘favorite’ players...tf old are you kid? I call it like I see it. And again...DT was an issue the first half but LB was bigger. And the adjustment at halftime to line up Lotulelei shaded inside shoulder at 1tech instead of A gap side on w/center worked...because it means the LBs don’t have to read gap and instead you just have DT plugging. But I’m sure you already knew that.

 

We can wait for film. It will show dline and lbs struggling v run first half and the adjustment second half. 

 

 

[DJB]

On 11/2/2019 at 4:06 PM, Frez said:

Coach must read TBD message board! 

 

Fire Daboll!  Fire Daboll! 

 

(Just in case) lol

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Taylor was good today, thanks for the DTs Miami ??

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

Fire Daboll!  Fire Daboll! 

 

(Just in case) lol

LMAO

[John from Riverside]

Keep Taylor up and play him sit star down

[GG]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lmao ‘my favorite’. 
 

I don’t have ‘favorite’ players...tf old are you kid? I call it like I see it. And again...DT was an issue the first half but LB was bigger. And the adjustment at halftime to line up Lotulelei shaded inside shoulder at 1tech instead of A gap side on w/center worked...because it means the LBs don’t have to read gap and instead you just have DT plugging. But I’m sure you already knew that.

 

We can wait for film. It will show dline and lbs struggling v run first half and the adjustment second half. 

 

 

 

Welcome to the school of roster management.  No matter how many times you try to impress the board with your high school play-calling knowledge, doesn't negate the fact that Star is an average DT who's a net liability given his contract.  Instead of arguing that Bills can replace Jordan Phillips with a JAG, there's far more evidence that Bills could replace Star with a JAG and not miss a beat.  

 

The basic move to slide your highest paid DL around to cover up a glaring defensive weakness means the guy isn't earning his contract, plain and simple.  You don't sign a guy to a $50 million deal if all you ask him to do is occupy space, especially when you have a misplaced MLB not playing well.  Unlike any other DL on the roster, Star has yet to make a play other than "occupy blockers"  

Edited November 3, 2019 by GG

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Welcome to the school of roster management.  No matter how many times you try to impress the board with your high school play-calling knowledge, doesn't negate the fact that Star is an average DT who's a net liability given his contract.  Instead of arguing that Bills can replace Jordan Phillips with a JAG, there's far more evidence that Bills could replace Star with a JAG and not miss a beat.  

 

The basic move to slide your highest paid DL around to cover up a glaring defensive weakness means the guy isn't earning his contract, plain and simple.  You don't sign a guy to a $50 million deal if all you ask him to do is occupy space, especially when you have a misplaced MLB not playing well.  Unlike any other DL on the roster, Star has yet to make a play other than "occupy blockers"  

They are trying to build Edmunds and Milano into a unit. That takes a lot of time and experience. Having your 1tech ride the G into C and open B gaps for LBs to exploit is how they eventually want this to defense to function, but that put the onus on Edmunds to be able to take advantage of his read. At the moment it's easier on the LBs if they can just react to a muddled LOS...which is why they made the adjustment at halftime.

 

I'm not going to get into throwing insults around, sorry if you don't like my analysis. It might be simple but it's correct.

[Happy]

Star is useless, this game proved it if there was any doubt before.  Once Vincent Taylor came in after half time and relegated Star to the bench, AP was shut down.  By the end of the first half, AP was well on his way to 200 yards, but ended up 18 carries for 108.  He was close to 100 yards by the end of the first half, alone.

 

Get rid of Trent Murphy, too.  High motor and DNA means nothing if you can't get sacks as an edge rusher.  He is totally useless in run defense.

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Star is useless, this game proved it if there was any doubt before.  Once Vincent Taylor came in after half time and relegated Star to the bench, AP was shut down.  By the end of the first half, AP was well on his way to 200 yards, but ended up 18 carries for 108.  He was close to 100 yards by the end of the first half, alone.

 

Get rid of Trent Murphy, too.  High motor and DNA means nothing if you can't get sacks as an edge rusher.  He is totally useless in run defense.

He started out 8 for 99 and went 10 for 9 the rest of the way.

[GG]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

They are trying to build Edmunds and Milano into a unit. That takes a lot of time and experience. Having your 1tech ride the G into C and open B gaps for LBs to exploit is how they eventually want this to defense to function, but that put the onus on Edmunds to be able to take advantage of his read. At the moment it's easier on the LBs if they can just react to a muddled LOS...which is why they made the adjustment at halftime.

 

I'm not going to get into throwing insults around, sorry if you don't like my analysis. It might be simple but it's correct.

 

Funny how people no longer wish to sling insults when their attempt falls limply on the ground.

 

Keep storming that Star hill, the effort will be worthwhile.  

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Funny how people no longer wish to sling insults when their attempt falls limply on the ground.

 

Keep storming that Star hill, the effort will be worthwhile.  

LOL. You have been consistently wrong on this. I have been consistently right. You are the guy who thought Peko was outplaying Lotulelei. You are the guy who does not understand responsibilities in this defense. Your opinion is pretty much meaningless as far as I’m concerned.

 

If you want to keep complaining about things you don’t understand go right ahead. 

[GG]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

LOL. You have been consistently wrong on this. I have been consistently right. You are the guy who thought Peko was outplaying Lotulelei. You are the guy who does not understand responsibilities in this defense. Your opinion is pretty much meaningless as far as I’m concerned.

 

If you want to keep complaining about things you don’t understand go right ahead. 

I'm also not the one with massive reading comprehension problem. 

 

Maybe you can educate me and the rest of the board on the proper responsibility of the $10 million 1Tech DL when he's sitting on the bench.  Should he sit in the middle, because if he sits on the end the bench will tip over?