NoSaint Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: He's still an automatic double team and if not he's going to walk his guy backward more often than not. Whether fans recognize the value of a Lotulelei type player is immaterial imo. Gettleman knows how to draft for defensive line, and McDermott needed to keep Kuechly/Davis and now Edmunds/Milano clean. I’m not sure I believe automatic double team or he will walk his guy backwards. It’s a bold claim to throw out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I’m not sure I believe automatic double team or he will walk his guy backwards. It’s a bold claim to throw out there. sometimes its as simple as turning a guy into your gap so the hole isn't really there... its that kind of thing that will never show up on stat sheets. Or working into a double team that creates a tougher blitz pick-up for a guard or something. Its all complementary. I have no idea if he's doing it well because i don't want to sit down and watch running plays from the POV of the guy lining up between the center and guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I’m not sure I believe automatic double team or he will walk his guy backwards. It’s a bold claim to throw out there. The only time I ever see him double teamed is when teams are trying to convert short yardage runs. On those plays he is often doubled. But other than that it isn't something that shows itself a lot in my all22 reviews. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: His snaps are down on last year. And they are down because he is not very good. I think not very good is really selling what he does short...imo his value is in a lot of dirtywork that doesn't always show up and what it enables the line to do with him in. Pats game here for example: 00:01- Lotulelei takes on a hard double team, wins by maintaining position even though he's off balanced for a second, and still manages to plug gap and get an arm on RB to slow him down. Other DT (Oliver I think) taken out of play 1v1 1:00- Lotulelei not on the field. Big Pats completion on wheel to White to set up TD: offensive line easily handles DEs pressure and Phillips is wiped out creating perfect throwing lane for Brady w/zero interference 4:55- Runs stunt at goalline for Phillips and occupies 3 blockers to enable pressure up middle on Brady, ends w/Hyde INT stuff like that 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The only time I ever see him double teamed is when teams are trying to convert short yardage runs. On those plays he is often doubled. But other than that it isn't something that shows itself a lot in my all22 reviews. Not looking hard enough then. 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I’m not sure I believe automatic double team or he will walk his guy backwards. It’s a bold claim to throw out there. It might be a little hyperbole but Phillips/Oliver do not win against doubles rn and Lotulelei can. That's why he's important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Collectively, this message board doesn't understand how QB reads work, what an OC does besides call run v. pass plays, and the role of a MLB. It isn't exactly outside the realm of possibility that Star gets/got so many snaps because McD thinks he is doing his job well, and is absolutely not a liability. 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct for the insult to the board. Not everyone has to think the same. I watch individual matchups all the time and <gasp> Kyle Williams last year and Star this year were getting knocked backward at the point of attack regularly. The term space eater should mean you hold the line of scrimmage against two guys consistently and if you aren’t getting doubled you are making plays to push the line backward. Have you ever seen Star push a play into the backfield or force a runner outside? I truly can’t remember many. His price tag should carry more with it. Teams seem to doubling Oliver now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 He's an overpaid space eater that is average at his job with no other player on the roster that has the body type to take the pounding he does. They overpaid because they wanted Dareus out. He would be getting less snaps if Harrison wasn't hurt. Now he is getting more. Guys with his body type that can occupy blockers are hard to find. He is just an average football player who is being paid like a top 10 talent. Who cares? It's not affecting the team's ability to sign anyone. Close the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Space eater type DTs are thing of the past.. You need guys that can can play the run as well as rush the passer. Star isn’t good at either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 While I’m not impressed with his play. Cap room isn’t an issue, so this cap hit is irrelevant. Once we start signing our draft picks he will be cut for cap savings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: I was listening to Joe Buscaglia preview the Bills game this morning on Jerry Sullivan and said the game is a coin flip. He thinks the Eagles have a good offense that will try to challenge the Bills and run inside. Not only is that the strength of the Philly OL, but it was a big weakness last week vs a terrible Miami OL. This is why a nobody like Mark Walton ran for a few big plays - though overall he didn’t put up a ton of numbers. Joe’s main culprit is Star Loutelelei. He said he has been terrible this year and is not winning matchups very well. While he never put up stats, he’s not doing a very good job holding his ground either. His replacement Kyle Peko has been worse. Miami pushed him around all day resulting in more big plays. Since Peko and Star were so terrible, the Bills were forced to line up Jordan Phillips who plays on the other side at 1 technique next to Ed Oliver. This is a pretty big concern to me when the guy you paid $10 million a year is awful at DT and can’t even get on the field a crucial times. The inside runs could be something to watch as Philly might try to set up for a few play action bombs. How about McDermott bring the run stuffing DT they acquired from the Dolphins off the practice squad, Vincent Taylor? Edited October 24, 2019 by the skycap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Who? I hear all the chatter about eating space and his teammates love him; that's all good and well. The bottom line is that even guy's who play a similar role make a FEW plays. I was pretty shocked to see him record a clean, solo tackle against the Titans. Probably shouldn't NOTICE a guy making a solo tackle. At any rate, he's here and I suppose he does what he's asked to do. This is most certainly a position they can and hopefully will upgrade going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Space eater type DTs are thing of the past.. You need guys that can can play the run as well as rush the passer. Star isn’t good at either Man...Damon Harrison, Malcom Brown, Linval Joseph, Eddie Goldman would definitely disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Space eater type DTs are thing of the past.. You need guys that can can play the run as well as rush the passer. Star isn’t good at either The Bills staff that put together this damn good defense doesn't agree with you on the space eater part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 So we're a Top 5 Overall Defense and a Top 10 run Defense and you want to, what. What, exactly. Just curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Maybe I'm overreacting to 1 thread, but it took longer than I thought for some to find the replacement to Zay as a whuppin boy. Top 5 d and top 10 vs the run. Without Phillips, who some say is better. Star is still holding his own. By the way, aside from White, the whole d pretty much digressed against the Phins. 1 " bad" game. Talk about overreaction Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: So we're a Top 5 Overall Defense and a Top 10 run Defense and you want to, what. What, exactly. Just curious. I'mma take a wild guess here and say...whine. They wanna whine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: So we're a Top 5 Overall Defense and a Top 10 run Defense and you want to, what. What, exactly. Just curious. A shutout vs the Dolphins? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: So we're a Top 5 Overall Defense and a Top 10 run Defense and you want to, what. What, exactly. Just curious. Acknowledge that the defense has played extremely well and discuss ways it could be EVEN better? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: A shutout vs the Dolphins? We only missed the shutout by 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Acknowledge that the defense has played extremely well and discuss ways it could be EVEN better? Improving the defensive line would be easier accomplished by focusing on the ends rather than the tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Acknowledge that the defense has played extremely well and discuss ways it could be EVEN better? The whole point of this thread is that Star is a LIABILITY. He's obviously not. Edited October 25, 2019 by {::'KayCeeS::} 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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