MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Here's the snap counts. See the trends. Star 42% to 34% Harry 33% to 42%. hmmm seems like Harry was trending up and Star trending Down. See the trends now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And was trending DOWN with Harry Trending up EVERY week until the Harry Injury Maybe slightly, but we're talking about the difference of only a few snaps. Just now, MAJBobby said: See the trends. Star 42% to 34% Harry 33% to 42%. hmmm seems like Harry was trending up and Star trending Down. See the trends now Actually this is a case of a single outlier. Star had one game under 40%. Every other game he has consistently had 27-30 snaps. Phillips had 24 to 28 snaps a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: sure first three weeks was Harry’s Snap counts increasing? Yep. (Trending Up) was Stars decreasing? Yep (Trending Down). see Trends LOL...we're talking about a few snaps here and there and nothing dramatic. Phillips biggest difference in snaps in 3 games was 4....4. The biggest drop off with Star with the Bengals who lead the entire NFL in passing attempts. If we use your rationale, Ed Oliver was trending down in the first 3 weeks.... So was Jerry Hughes... So was Tre White.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, MJS said: Maybe slightly, but we're talking about the difference of only a few snaps. Actually this is a case of a single outlier. Star had one game under 40%. Every other game he has consistently had 27-30 snaps. Phillips had 24 to 28 snaps a game. always look at Percentage doesn’t artificially tell the story with small or big number of snaps by total defense. granted it is a 3 week trend as Phillips got hurt but a shift of -8% for star and a +9% for Harry is showing Phillips was taking on a larger roll on the DL as Star was losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: See the trends. Star 42% to 34% Harry 33% to 42%. hmmm seems like Harry was trending up and Star trending Down. See the trends now You know the difference between Harry's 34% to 43% was 2 snaps....2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Succinctly, Star is a McDermott guy. He anchored Sean’s defense in Carolina, where you build the Defense from the front back. Phillips, Phillips, Oliver, Peko are nice pieces as well. The nonsense of this weeks’ Kill the Thrill thread is no one who follows the Bills closely cares what the simpletons on WGR think and less what participants at the Kiddies Table think. McDermott has this team on the brink of a 2nd playoff season in his 3rd year. This defense has been built to Sean’s exacting specifications and Star was a Must Have for him in this endeavor. Everything else is BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: LOL...we're talking about a few snaps here and there and nothing dramatic. Phillips biggest difference in snaps in 3 games was 4....4. The biggest drop off with Star with the Bengals who lead the entire NFL in passing attempts. If we use your rationale, Ed Oliver was trending down in the first 3 weeks.... So was Jerry Hughes... So was Tre White.... spin it how you want to. The trend is there. Too bad Phillips got hurt so people can finally put this Star thing to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, colin said: i thought he was decent last year, clearly was not cheap to sign tho. he does seem to have fallen off some. I remember when this guy was coming out of college, he was considered one of the top two or three players in the draft due to talent. I wonder if something is physically wrong w him this year. He was never considered to be a top 3 player. Maybe top 3 at DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: You know the difference between Harry's 34% to 43% was 2 snaps....2. ok Cool. Point is one GAINED SNAPS. Other LOST SNAPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: always look at Percentage doesn’t artificially tell the story with small or big number of snaps by total defense. granted it is a 3 week trend as Phillips got hurt but a shift of -8% for star and a +9% for Harry is showing Phillips was taking on a larger roll on the DL as Star was losing it. The only reason you're using percentage is because it's showing a bigger difference. It was 2...2 snaps difference in that 9% shift. 2 snaps Bobby because the defense was on the field overall less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: Succinctly, Star is a McDermott guy. He anchored Sean’s defense in Carolina, where you build the Defense from the front back. Phillips, Phillips, Oliver, Peko are nice pieces as well. The nonsense of this weeks’ Kill the Thrill thread is no one who follows the Bills closely cares what the simpletons on WGR think and less what participants at the Kiddies Table think. McDermott has this team on the brink of a 2nd playoff season in his 3rd year. This defense has been built to Sean’s exacting specifications and Star was a Must Have for him in this endeavor. Everything else is BS. good he overpaid a roll player glad Beane is here instead of McD making those calls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 He’s fine. And he’s not playing significantly less snaps, or performing significantly worse than last season in which he was also fine in his role. The main d line issue right now is Hughes not Lotulelei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: The only reason you're using percentage is because it's showing a bigger difference. It was 2...2 snaps difference in that 9% shift. 2 snaps Bobby because the defense was on the field overall less. no you always use percentage. If one week defense faces 80 plays and the next they face 50 the raw snap numbers tell a different story. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: sure first three weeks was Harry’s Snap counts increasing? Yep. (Trending Up) was Stars decreasing? Yep (Trending Down). see Trends Snaps are predicated on the teams offense we play as well our guys skill skill set, snap counts fluctuate throughout a season for more reasons than a fans pedestrian observation. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong, but doesn’t mean you’re right either. Your verbiage reflects an absolutism that is likely not so. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Succinctly, Star is a McDermott guy. He anchored Sean’s defense in Carolina, where you build the Defense from the front back. Phillips, Phillips, Oliver, Peko are nice pieces as well. The nonsense of this weeks’ Kill the Thrill thread is no one who follows the Bills closely cares what the simpletons on WGR think and less what participants at the Kiddies Table think. McDermott has this team on the brink of a 2nd playoff season in his 3rd year. This defense has been built to Sean’s exacting specifications and Star was a Must Have for him in this endeavor. Everything else is BS. Well put. This is absolutely correct. I encourage everyone to go back and watch old Panthers defense when this gang was back in Carolina and see how similar it looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: ok Cool. Point is one GAINED SNAPS. Other LOST SNAPS. Talk about grasping at straws. If we use your rationale, Ed Oliver was losing snaps in the first 3 weeks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: LOL...we're talking about a few snaps here and there and nothing dramatic. Phillips biggest difference in snaps in 3 games was 4....4. The biggest drop off with Star with the Bengals who lead the entire NFL in passing attempts. If we use your rationale, Ed Oliver was trending down in the first 3 weeks.... So was Jerry Hughes... So was Tre White.... This is some massive conflation going on here. As is the idea that Star's contract isn't bad because all UFAs are overpaid. This is some straight-up TBD surface level analysis right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Here's the snap counts. Thanks, I was going by a poster's #'s. I'm still glad he's here considering the injury to Phillips and don't care what he's paid. We are managing the cap well enough. Seems folks want to find something to complain about, including Joe Buscaglia. We've sucked for most of 20 years and are 5-1 and getting better. Some people just can't enjoy good things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: good he overpaid a roll player glad Beane is here instead of McD making those calls Explain where we’re hurting financially as a result of this signing. Unless you can’t. If not, take a seat at the little people’s table. They’re serving PB&J today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Don Otreply said: Snaps are predicated on the teams offense we play as well our guys skill skill set, snap counts fluctuate throughout a season for more reasons than a fans pedestrian observation. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong, but doesn’t mean you’re right either. Your verbiage reflects an absolutism that is likely not so. Go Bills!!! ok 2 year for Star. At 10M bucks. Name me One impactful play he has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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