BringBackOrton Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: The WRs taken in the first round in the past 3 seasons (2016-2018 prior to this one) are as follows: Corey Coleman, Josh Doctson, Will Fuller, Laquon Treadwell, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross, DJ Moore, and Calvin Ridley. Ridley did the best of the bunch as a rookie, and he had just 821 yards as a complementary player to Julio Jones. Not a great group in terms of first/second-year production. Woof. What a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Woof. What a list. ... and Cooper was the one guy in 2015 who performed well out of the gate. The other first rounders from 2015 were Kevin White, Devante Parker, Nelson Agholor, Breshad Perriman, and Philip Dorsett. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: OK, what would your top offer be in a year with a draft that is chock full of wide receivers? If Green appears healthy and I'm Beane, a 2 There's just to much hit and miss with high round WR's IMO. Zay Jones is a good example. Then you always have to wonder how long a player takes to develop. I read an article last season about WR's drafted in round 1 the 3 previous seasons. Only one of them had exceeded 40 receptions a season and 1 made the pro bowl If my memory serves me correctly. Out of 13 players. Thats not very good return fro a 1st round draft pick in my humble opinion. Edited October 25, 2019 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Who would trade a yoing star? Good question...probably no one. Lets,wait and see. Let’s hope someone...maybe Cinci will deal us Ross instead of Green LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I mean, I guess it's conceivable that Cincinnati could franchise Green. They're projected to be $50 million under the cap next season and will have the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: That sounds unfeasible for Atlanta. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/julio-jones-7721/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: That sounds unfeasible for Atlanta. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/julio-jones-7721/ Awww man, Now wouldn't that be something though, Julio in a Bills jersey, MERCY!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Why in the world would you post this? It literally says in his profile, "I'm not the former running back." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: I think we need a really good WR right now, not one in 2-3 years. We can’t wait for a guy to develop. Most players aren’t great out of the box. I can’t name the last WR who had 1000 yards as a rookie. Amari Cooper? Agreed. While I really hope we don’t trade our 1st or 2nd rd picks, if that’s what it takes to get a WR that can REALLY help, I’m in. Sucks that Duke got hurt last week and we didn’t see more of him. He might be that guy....but he might not be. We’re 5-1. I don’t know of a 5-1 team that doesn’t think that they’re super bowl contenders. 2020 Draft picks don’t help us win a super bowl in 2019 unless we trade them. IMO, the question is: How close does Beane think this team is to winning this year. Edited October 25, 2019 by NewEra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, NewEra said: Agreed. While I really hope we don’t trade our 1st or 2nd rd picks, if that’s what it takes to get a WR that can REALLY help, I’m in. Sucks that Duke got hurt last week and we didn’t see more of him. He might be that guy....but he might not be. We’re 5-1. I don’t know of a 5-1 team that doesn’t think they they’re super bowl contenders. 2020 Draft picks don’t help us win a super bowl in 2019 unless we trade them. IMO, the question is: How close does Beane think this team is to winning this year. Agreed. The time is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: Agreed. While I really hope we don’t trade our 1st or 2nd rd picks, if that’s what it takes to get a WR that can REALLY help, I’m in. Sucks that Duke got hurt last week and we didn’t see more of him. He might be that guy....but he might not be. We’re 5-1. I don’t know of a 5-1 team that doesn’t think they they’re super bowl contenders. 2020 Draft picks don’t help us win a super bowl in 2019 unless we trade them. IMO, the question is: How close does Beane think this team is to winning this year. I think it’s time to stop pretending these JAGs and cast offs can be the ”guy.” Carolina pretended that having tomato cans at WR was sufficient for years and they only made it to one SuperBowl and wasted much of Cam’s career. You just need playmakers. Brady can beat you with anybody. Everyone else can’t. If Beane and co thought a slow UDFA CFL player was the answer at WR, they need their heads examined. Edited October 25, 2019 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 AJ Green will be a Bill by Monday, heard it here first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, DBilz2500 said: AJ Green will be a Bill by Monday, heard it here first. AJ Green will NOT be a Bill by Monday. You heard it here first. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said: Why in the world would you post this? It literally says in his profile, "I'm not the former running back." It is his son and dad liked it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: I think it’s time to stop pretending these JAGs and cast offs can be the ”guy.” Carolina pretended that having tomato cans at WR was sufficient for years and they only made it to one SuperBowl and wasted much of Cam’s career. You just need playmakers. Brady can beat you with anybody. Everyone else can’t. If Beane and co thought a slow UDFA CFL player was the answer at WR, they need their heads examined. I don’t really think we need a “true #1”. I think John Brown is quite possibly the most underrated player in football. We stole him in free agency. He gets open and catches everything. I just don’t think we’re going to run an offense that utilizes their “#1” to give them 100+ catches and 1300 yards. I think Brown is doing just about as well as any other “#1” would be. I think we need a bigger Red zone threat WR. Not necessarily a “a #1”. Although duke could be that guy. Other than Aj, maybe Marvin Jones? Would they trade him? Edited October 25, 2019 by NewEra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, NewEra said: Agreed. While I really hope we don’t trade our 1st or 2nd rd picks, if that’s what it takes to get a WR that can REALLY help, I’m in. Sucks that Duke got hurt last week and we didn’t see more of him. He might be that guy....but he might not be. We’re 5-1. I don’t know of a 5-1 team that doesn’t think that they’re super bowl contenders. 2020 Draft picks don’t help us win a super bowl in 2019 unless we trade them. IMO, the question is: How close does Beane think this team is to winning this year. Thank you! That is what I have been saying all week! Where does Beane see this team at this point? How close are they? What moves must be made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, njbuff said: AJ Green will NOT be a Bill by Monday. You heard it here first. So you're going on record and saying it will happen by Sunday. Got it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Have the Bills been actually linked to any player yet thats currently available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: So you're going on record and saying it will happen by Sunday. Got it! Ummmm not at all ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t really think we need a “true #1”. I think John Brown is quite possibly the most underrated player in football. We stole him in free agency. He gets open and catches everything. I just don’t think we’re going to run an offense that utilizes their “#1” to give them 100+ catches and 1300 yards. I think Brown is doing just about as well as any other “#1” would be. I think we need a bigger Red zone threat WR. Not necessarily a “a #1”. Although duke could be that guy. Other than Aj, maybe Marvin Jones? Would they trade him? He’s getting $9M per which is pretty good. The #1 thing is a meme. Playmakers are playmakers. Having one good receiver is a good thing. Having two is better. The Bills have one. Beasley is a slot/short route guy but he can’t play on the boundary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Have the Bills been actually linked to any player yet thats currently available? Well, they were apparently negotiating for Emmanuel Sanders (along with New Orleans) but were outbid by the Niners. Beane has been remarkably good at keeping a lid on things. There's rarely any leaks or things like that. Aside from Sanders, though, I haven't seen anything else linking them to any player aside from speculation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: He’s getting $9M per which is pretty good. The #1 thing is a meme. Playmakers are playmakers. Having one good receiver is a good thing. Having two is better. The Bills have one. Beasley is a slot/short route guy but he can’t play on the boundary. considering what sammy watkins is getting paid, Brown is a steal. I’ll take brown over sammy every day of the week. And the jury is still out on Duke. He’s really the wild card. We could be ok if he turns out to be a healthy reliable target that can get open. Having WRs that can be effective at the route L’s that brown and Beasley are deficient. edit: mckenzie is a “playmaker” as well. His importance to our offense can’t be understated imo. Edited October 25, 2019 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Have the Bills been actually linked to any player yet thats currently available? Emmanuel Sanders, so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, NewEra said: considering what sammy watkins is getting paid, Brown is a steal. I’ll take brown over sammy every day of the week. And the jury is still out on Duke. He’s really the wild card. We could be ok if he turns out to be a healthy reliable target that can get open. Having WRs that can be effective at the route L’s that brown and Beasley are deficient. edit: mckenzie is a “playmaker” as well. His importance to our offense can’t be understated imo. Oh yeah, Watkins contract is horrendous though. You can see the NFL arms race in it though. Having a guy who can take it 50 yards or multiple guys is worth its weight in gold. That’s the guy the Bills need. McK is too small and too gadgety. I like him but he’s a role player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, NewEra said: considering what sammy watkins is getting paid, Brown is a steal. I’ll take brown over sammy every day of the week. And the jury is still out on Duke. He’s really the wild card. We could be ok if he turns out to be a healthy reliable target that can get open. Having WRs that can be effective at the route L’s that brown and Beasley are deficient. edit: mckenzie is a “playmaker” as well. His importance to our offense can’t be understated imo. Well if the Bills are on the hunt for a wr, the whole league is certainly aware by now. Perhaps this is causing other gm's to rethink their rosters. Maybe their is an unexpected wr on his way to Buffalo. 3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Green is a great receiver. My one and only worry with him is how much he would care about this season when he stands to make untold guaranteed millions as a ufa. I think that whether or not he would go all out is a tossup. Next year might be the deepest wide receiver draft I have ever seen. We might be able to pick up 2 very good wrs. if we keep our picks. Indeed, a tough call for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Green is a great receiver. My one and only worry with him is how much he would care about this season when he stands to make untold guaranteed millions as a ufa. I think that whether or not he would go all out is a tossup. Next year might be the deepest wide receiver draft I have ever seen. We might be able to pick up 2 very good wrs. if we keep our picks. Indeed, a tough call for Beane. Here's the issue. WR is one of the biggest learning curve positions in the NFL . They don't have 2 or 3 seasons to wait for the rookies to do well. This Defense is Championship caliber right now. Is the offense one stud receiver away from championship caliber? ( I don't think it is) If they think so they give up draft capitol to get their boy right now today . if not this year win it all then next. We know how fast that window closes. I think it's next year but I'm sitting on a couch so... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: Here's the issue. WR is one of the biggest learning curve positions in the NFL . They don't have 2 or 3 seasons to wait for the rookies to do well. This Defense is Championship caliber right now. Is the offense one stud receiver away from championship caliber? ( I don't think it is) If they think so they give up draft capitol to get their boy right now today . if not this year win it all then next. We know how fast that window closes. I think it's next year but I'm sitting on a couch so... I agree with the learning curve aspect. I do think this offense is another stud receiver away from championship caliber. If this offense can produce 20 pts a game, this defense can hold teams to 17 or less. A Von Miller or even Carlos Dunlap on defense can make this unit more dominant. I'd love for the Bills to go pilfer the Bengals roster. Green/Boyd, Dunlap would make this team a serious threat in the AFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: I think it’s time to stop pretending these JAGs and cast offs can be the ”guy.” Carolina pretended that having tomato cans at WR was sufficient for years and they only made it to one SuperBowl and wasted much of Cam’s career. You just need playmakers. Brady can beat you with anybody. Everyone else can’t. If Beane and co thought a slow UDFA CFL player was the answer at WR, they need their heads examined. Even Brady cannot win with Nobody's....He still had elite players in Edelman and Rob. Hopefully, the Bills found one in Brown, Colesly and Knox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, BeefCurtns said: Here's the issue. WR is one of the biggest learning curve positions in the NFL . They don't have 2 or 3 seasons to wait for the rookies to do well. This Defense is Championship caliber right now. Is the offense one stud receiver away from championship caliber? ( I don't think it is) If they think so they give up draft capitol to get their boy right now today . if not this year win it all then next. We know how fast that window closes. I think it's next year but I'm sitting on a couch so... Good points. I would hate to be inside Beanes's head right now. When is the right time to decide the right time! Is this team ready now or a year away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Now that the Chiefs got Hill back, I'm sure they'll be cool to part ways with Sammy for 5th or something If not, I hear Kelvin Benjamin is a great redzone threat, and he's available! Get it done OBD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, BeefCurtns said: Here's the issue. WR is one of the biggest learning curve positions in the NFL . They don't have 2 or 3 seasons to wait for the rookies to do well. This Defense is Championship caliber right now. Is the offense one stud receiver away from championship caliber? ( I don't think it is) If they think so they give up draft capitol to get their boy right now today . if not this year win it all then next. We know how fast that window closes. I think it's next year but I'm sitting on a couch so... Good points, but at the same time, good organizations can build a strong foundation that keeps that window open for as long as you have that franchise QB. The Pats window hasn't been closed for 20 years, so you really never know. The Seahawks, Saints, Steelers, Chargers, Packers, Vikings, Chiefs, etc. have all been relevant or at least in the conversation for quite a while, even if they have their down years. Hopefully the Bills can become like that and have a strong enough core that we just have to rotate parts & assemble players on rookie contracts that can keep your prospects up. All of that is contingent on having a stable QB though. So it depends on how you view Josh. If he's going to be a guy that can't ever elevate the talent around him & needs to be propped up by skill position players, then no, I don't think you try to push for a big trade now. Yes, the defense is great now, but you have to be the ELITE of the elite to have one of those seasons where the defense dominates everyone on the way to a Super Bowl while the offense just does enough not to lose. The way the offense turns the ball over, this defense won't have the opportunity to do that. Not to mention the defense is relatively young and can still stay here for a while. There's no reason we can't resign guys who's contracts expire while still improving even further. I don't think our defense has hit its full potential yet, and can still get much better, which is a scary & awesome thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 hours ago, dave mcbride said: He was fantastic last year before suffering a toe injury. He was playing at an all-pro level through his first 8 games. He's only 31 and can still play. I understand your viewpoint on Green last year, but he has not played a down of football this year, and presumably the injury that has sidelined him has interfered with his being in "game shape" to some extent. We seem to be talking about the 8-9 game rental of an elite WR returning from injury (which is not the same thing as an elite WR in game shape and ready to rumble). In addition, Green has been a Bengal playing in a WCO his entire career. We'd bring him in midseason into an offense with very different terminology where a number of players struggle to transition and where along with learning the plays, he'd have to develop timing and chemistry with a new QB I could be wrong, often am, but I don't think Beane will see the value here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Is Kelvin Benjiman still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: Not to mention the defense is relatively young and can still stay here for a while. There's no reason we can't resign guys who's contracts expire while still improving even further. I don't think our defense has hit its full potential yet, and can still get much better, which is a scary & awesome thought. We could lose the following starters on defense after this season Shaq Lawson - FA Jordan Phillips - FA Jordan Poyer - FA Alexander - Retiring And the following could get cut: Trent Murphy That is a lot of potential changes to the Defense in 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I understand your viewpoint on Green last year, but he has not played a down of football this year, and presumably the injury that has sidelined him has interfered with his being in "game shape" to some extent. We seem to be talking about the 8-9 game rental of an elite WR returning from injury (which is not the same thing as an elite WR in game shape and ready to rumble). In addition, Green has been a Bengal playing in a WCO his entire career. We'd bring him in midseason into an offense with very different terminology where a number of players struggle to transition and where along with learning the plays, he'd have to develop timing and chemistry with a new QB I could be wrong, often am, but I don't think Beane will see the value here. Myself personally, If a trade was made for Green the move would be more about the playoffs and beyond IMO. Giving Green plenty of time to develop chemistry with Allen along with getting acclimated to the new system. ( IMO ) On the other hand as easily as Beane sent Sammy Watkins packing the value of an elite WR may not be as high in the young GM's mind as I would like to believe. Edited October 26, 2019 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Figster said: Myself personally, If a trade was made for Green the move would be more about the playoffs and beyond IMO. Giving Green plenty of time to develop chemistry with Allen along with getting acclimated to the new system. ( IMO ) On the other hand as easily as Beane sent Sammy Watkins packing the value of an elite WR may not be as high in the young GM's mind as I would like to believe. Sammy Watkins was a bad egg here by the time Beane got involved. It was a divorce move, not one because we didn’t need WR help. He traded for Benjamin 7-8 weeks later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Sammy Watkins was a bad egg here by the time Beane got involved. It was a divorce move, not one because we didn’t need WR help. He traded for Benjamin 7-8 weeks later. Clearly a bad egg working with Tyrod Taylor throughout the off season for the betterment of the team. I like Tyrod Taylor, his leadership, work ethic. The only problem was Taylor struggled in the passing game. Buffalo didn't throw the football as often as most NFL teams so we have an above average WR in Sammy Watkins that wasn't going to get enough touches to satisfy anyone. Watkins was traded... Edited October 26, 2019 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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