vorpma Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Since last year I have heard that Mayfield and Mahomes were the new Joe Montana and John Elway and Josh Allen a turnover machine! Looks like Josh is leading in the most important statistic - won loss record!! I also read constantly about the new NFL - pass crazy, showtime, arena football, scoreboards like a pinball machine. Looks like the mighty KC offense and Andy Reid can get beat by ground and pound offense and great defense - how can this be? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Have to factor in level of competition, but sure, all that matters is W-L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Mahomes has won almost twice as many games as Josh Allen so lol. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Mahomes has won almost twice as many games as Josh Allen so lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 If KC had our defense they would have gone undefeated like Zerovoltz said. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Methinks Mayfield has been a smidge overrated. Leads the league in turnovers yet every set of QB rankings I see has the guy rated ahead of other QBs who are playing better, JA included. I hate how these pundits cling to their pre-draft evaluations like players can't develop new/different skills in the league. Mayfield could throw six picks in a game but if he wins they'll highlight his good throws and kind of ignore the picks. Allen could go 24 for 30, 390 yards with four TDs and one pick in a victory and the pick would be the focal point. What I'm trying to say is the guys who get paid to babble about football are usually turds. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, vorpma said: Since last year I have heard that Mayfield and Mahomes were the new Joe Montana and John Elway Link? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, H2o said: If KC had our defense they would have gone undefeated like Zerovoltz said. Um... theres a thread where zeradolt has kc goin undefeated (with their current defense) that was bumped as soon as they lost today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Probably something wrong with me, but I take joy in that they both lost today. ? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Mahomes has won almost twice as many games as Josh Allen so lol. History is great but no time like the present! 1 minute ago, CSBill said: Probably something wrong with me, but I take joy in that they both lost today. ? I love it - so tired of the TBD crowd that constantly shake poms poms for these two - BringBackOrton! 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Link? Ya whatever - I know your sad today! 6 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Methinks Mayfield has been a smidge overrated. Leads the league in turnovers yet every set of QB rankings I see has the guy rated ahead of other QBs who are playing better, JA included. I hate how these pundits cling to their pre-draft evaluations like players can't develop new/different skills in the league. Mayfield could throw six picks in a game but if he wins they'll highlight his good throws and kind of ignore the picks. Allen could go 24 for 30, 390 yards with four TDs and one pick in a victory and the pick would be the focal point. What I'm trying to say is the guys who get paid to babble about football are usually turds. As are many TBD posters! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: Um... theres a thread where zeradolt has kc goin undefeated (with their current defense) that was bumped as soon as they lost today. And my statement has exactly what to do with that thread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, vorpma said: History is great but no time like the present! I love it - so tired of the TBD crowd that constantly shake poms poms for these two - BringBackOrton! Ya whatever - I know your sad today! I don't know what "your" talking about. My boy NFL MVP Russell Wilson had another huge day. Return to your X-box and Hot Pocket, son... Edited October 13, 2019 by Mr. WEO 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, vorpma said: History is great but no time like the present! I love it - so tired of the TBD crowd that constantly shake poms poms for these two - BringBackOrton! Ya whatever - I know your sad today! As are many TBD posters! If your goal is celebrate every QB who is better than Josh Allen losing, you’re going to be making A LOT of topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, vorpma said: Since last year I have heard that Mayfield and Mahomes were the new Joe Montana and John Elway and Josh Allen a turnover machine! Looks like Josh is leading in the most important statistic - won loss record!! I also read constantly about the new NFL - pass crazy, showtime, arena football, scoreboards like a pinball machine. Looks like the mighty KC offense and Andy Reid can get beat by ground and pound offense and great defense - how can this be? I’m not sure ground and pound with great defense is what comes to mind for houston. I didn’t see today’s game yet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Link? Ravens coordinator says Patrick Mahomes is like Joe Montana Ravens DC: Baker Mayfield is this generation’s John Elway or Brett Favre 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: If your goal is celebrate every QB who is better than Josh Allen losing, you’re going to be making A LOT of topics. Better than your goal of just celebrating every quarterback as better than Allen.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Mahomes has won almost twice as many games as Josh Allen so lol. Allen will win a Super Bowl before Mahomes. That is the only game that matters when comparing quarterbacks. Ring or no ring. Period. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, FUTURIST said: Allen will win a Super Bowl before Mahomes. That is the only game that matters when comparing quarterbacks. Ring or no ring. Period. So, Jim Kelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Methinks Mayfield has been a smidge overrated. Leads the league in turnovers yet every set of QB rankings I see has the guy rated ahead of other QBs who are playing better, JA included. I hate how these pundits cling to their pre-draft evaluations like players can't develop new/different skills in the league. Mayfield could throw six picks in a game but if he wins they'll highlight his good throws and kind of ignore the picks. Allen could go 24 for 30, 390 yards with four TDs and one pick in a victory and the pick would be the focal point. What I'm trying to say is the guys who get paid to babble about football are usually turds. I realize this is exaggeration on purpose, but Josh has been never come close to a game that good, and Baker hasn't had a game that bad. You can't say this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Gase not wearing the "beat cancer" sideline cap... Edited October 13, 2019 by cd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, H2o said: And my statement has exactly what to do with that thread? Dont feed the trolls is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Ravens coordinator says Patrick Mahomes is like Joe Montana Ravens DC: Baker Mayfield is this generation’s John Elway or Brett Favre All this proves in the Ravens DC is not very bright. He got destroyed by Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, vorpma said: Since last year I have heard that Mayfield and Mahomes were the new Joe Montana and John Elway and Josh Allen a turnover machine! Looks like Josh is leading in the most important statistic - won loss record!! I also read constantly about the new NFL - pass crazy, showtime, arena football, scoreboards like a pinball machine. Looks like the mighty KC offense and Andy Reid can get beat by ground and pound offense and great defense - how can this be? I know Houston ran very successfully today, but claiming they did nothing but “ground and pound” and ignoring how awesome Watson was is bs. He would’ve been a LOT better today by the way if his receivers didn’t drop so many balls. This is why no one takes you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, vincec said: So, Jim Kelly? No Ring. Period. They play this sport to win championships, not run up stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, FUTURIST said: No Ring. Period. They play this sport to win championships, not run up stats. I see. That's a strange take. It would make Jim Kelly and Dan Marino the equals of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Tannehill. No ring, no ring after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, cd1 said: Gase not wearing the beat cancer sideline cap... That's the beat cancer sideline cap? Looks like the gay pride cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: I know Houston ran very successfully today, but claiming they did nothing but “ground and pound” and ignoring how awesome Watson was is bs. He would’ve been a LOT better today by the way if his receivers didn’t drop so many balls. This is why no one takes you seriously. Aren't you one of those who have criticized other posters as making excuses for saying the exact same thing about Allen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: That's the beat cancer sideline cap? Looks like the gay pride cap. http://www.nfl.com/crucialcatch Quote The National Football League is proud to support the American Cancer Society with their impactful and evolved Crucial Catch initiative that now focuses on risk reduction and early cancer detection more broadly. You have not noticed every other coach wearing them? (including McDermott last week) Edited October 13, 2019 by cd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, vincec said: I see. That's a strange take. It would make Jim Kelly and Dan Marino the equals of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Tannehill. No ring, no ring after all. It would just make them lesser when comparing them to similar quarterbacks that won championships. Basically when you compare Aaron Rodgers to a Jim Kelly or Dan Marino he will always be ahead of them. When Mahomes gets a ring on his finger we can talk about "missing out" on a quarterback in the draft. The fantasy football crowd has turned statistics into something on par with winning championships. It has become a joke. They don't play to run up fantasy stats. They play to win championships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, cd1 said: http://www.nfl.com/crucialcatch Ah, I see. I guess they expanded from just breast cancer in previous years, which was all pink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Aren't you one of those who have criticized other posters as making excuses for saying the exact same thing about Allen? Am I? Depends on how close the throw is and how critical the situation. Watson played excellent; houston didn’t ground n pound is my point. Fuller dropping two tds is just some additional evidence for this guy who clearly didn’t watch the f-ing game. Edited October 13, 2019 by Hapless Bills Fan Language 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 43 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Link? www.strawman.com 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 People look so dumb when they make threads like this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Am I? Depends on how close the throw is and how critical the situation. Watson played excellent; houston didn’t ground n pound is my point. Fuller dropping two tds is just some additional evidence for this guy who clearly didn’t watch the f-ing game.. You are. Who cares who you are talking to. Stop trying to qualify it and have the cahonas and intellectual honesty to own it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Aren't you one of those who have criticized other posters as making excuses for saying the exact same thing about Allen? The narrative has been those other guys are only good because their receivers bail them out and Allen if you just gave him those receivers he would be the same. The truth is that the Quarterbacks are the stars on those two teams. Allen was majorly hurt by his receivers last year.... but there are plenty of JAGs catching passes on the Chiefs and, especially, the Texans too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, FUTURIST said: It would just make them lesser when comparing them to similar quarterbacks that won championships. Basically when you compare Aaron Rodgers to a Jim Kelly or Dan Marino he will always be ahead of them. When Mahomes gets a ring on his finger we can talk about "missing out" on a quarterback in the draft. The fantasy football crowd has turned statistics into something on par with winning championships. It has become a joke. They don't play to run up fantasy stats. They play to win championships. Championships are a team achievement. Putting it all on the QBs is ridiculous. Trent Dilfer, Rich Gannon, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler... were all inferior QBs to Kelly and/or Marino. That's a general consensus, which is why Kelly and Marino are in the HOF and the others are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, FUTURIST said: It would just make them lesser when comparing them to similar quarterbacks that won championships. Basically when you compare Aaron Rodgers to a Jim Kelly or Dan Marino he will always be ahead of them. When Mahomes gets a ring on his finger we can talk about "missing out" on a quarterback in the draft. The fantasy football crowd has turned statistics into something on par with winning championships. It has become a joke. They don't play to run up fantasy stats. They play to win championships. Can you win championships if you don’t go to conference championships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: People look so dumb when they make threads like this. And yet some will jump to OP’s defense just because it involves some Allen flattery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Mahomes is almost in a league all his own IMO. ( Despie 2 losses) Sharing it though right now with Russel Wilson. Edited October 13, 2019 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: The narrative has been those other guys are only good because their receivers bail them out and Allen if you just gave him those receivers he would be the same. The truth is that the Quarterbacks are the stars on those two teams. Allen was majorly hurt by his receivers last year.... but there are plenty of JAGs catching passes on the Chiefs and, especially, the Texans too. I don't dispute that. However, don't discount the argument for one QB and offer it up for another. Be consistent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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