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We've scored TDs on 10 of 14 redzone trips??

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Can't recall this being posted but heard it this AM.  That's how you win in this league score touchdowns when given opportunity and play good defense.  A testament to the coaching on this team as 'the herd' said.  

 

He also said this is best D in the league. 

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9 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Can't recall this being posted but heard it this AM.  That's how you win in this league score touchdowns when given opportunity and play good defense.  A testament to the coaching on this team as 'the herd' said.  

 

He also said this is best D in the league. 

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

 

71.43%.  Third in the NFL.

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15 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Can't recall this being posted but heard it this AM.  That's how you win in this league score touchdowns when given opportunity and play good defense.  A testament to the coaching on this team as 'the herd' said.  

 

He also said this is best D in the league. 

Yes we are excellent once we get to the redzone. The problem is we don't get there enough due to turnovers and drives stalling once we get the ball into opponent territory.

 

We move the ball fairly well, just need to stop shooting ourselves in the proverbial foot.

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Here's another opportunity for me to rail against QB stats.  On a recent Dan Patrick show Patrick said the Bills were winning in spite of their QB.  He then cited Allen's TD/INT ratio.  A TD/INT ratio is irrelevant when a team chooses to run into the endzone instead of passing.  A TD drive is a TD drive no matter how it is achieved.  A more important stat is # of TD drives, and their length.  It doesn't mean anything if Allen tosses to a wide open Lee Smith, runs it in himself or hands off to Gore or Singletary for the TD.  A TD drive is a TD drive, period.  

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5 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's another opportunity for me to rail against QB stats.  On a recent Dan Patrick show Patrick said the Bills were winning in spite of their QB.  He then cited Allen's TD/INT ratio.  A TD/INT ratio is irrelevant when a team chooses to run into the endzone instead of passing.  A TD drive is a TD drive no matter how it is achieved.  A more important stat is # of TD drives, and their length.  It doesn't mean anything if Allen tosses to a wide open Lee Smith, runs it in himself or hands off to Gore or Singletary for the TD.  A TD drive is a TD drive, period.  

Regardless of how the Bills are scoring their TDs , Allen’s tossed an alarmingly high number of INTs so far this season. The team has overcome them, so it’s not entirely off base. Allen has had a lot to do with their winning as well ; the Bills aren’t exactly hiding their QB. 

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8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Regardless of how the Bills are scoring their TDs , Allen’s tossed an alarmingly high number of INTs so far this season. The team has overcome them, so it’s not entirely off base. Allen has had a lot to do with their winning as well ; the Bills aren’t exactly hiding their QB. 

 

He's thrown one more INT than Dak Prescott.  The same number as Goff and Ryan.  And one fewer than Hall of Famer Baker "Flutie" Mayfield.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

Who's he? Is he national? If so, not interested... if you turn the chum bucket, all you're going to get is turned chum...

 

Are you seriously asking who Dan Patrick is? If so, I'm gonna need to see some I.D. so I can let you buy beer.......

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38 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

He's thrown one more INT than Dak Prescott.  The same number as Goff and Ryan.  And one fewer than Hall of Famer Baker "Flutie" Mayfield.

 

 

 

 

..LMAO ...Betty Crocker's "Baker"........ONE year and his britches are exploding........another one of my favorite "ME" types.......could see a MAJOR endorsement form Massengill in his future....

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46 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

He's thrown one more INT than Dak Prescott.  The same number as Goff and Ryan.  And one fewer than Hall of Famer Baker "Flutie" Mayfield.

 

 

 

faaaaaaaacts

 

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Yes.

 

And Allen is 10/13, because Barkley is 0/1.

 

The 3 times that Allen didn't score a TD?

 

1) Yeldon's 1st down fumble against Cincinnati 

2) a sack on a 1st down against NE that took them out of the RZ 

3) the final series in Tennessee where they knelt down

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1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's another opportunity for me to rail against QB stats.  On a recent Dan Patrick show Patrick said the Bills were winning in spite of their QB.  He then cited Allen's TD/INT ratio.  A TD/INT ratio is irrelevant when a team chooses to run into the endzone instead of passing.  A TD drive is a TD drive no matter how it is achieved.  A more important stat is # of TD drives, and their length.  It doesn't mean anything if Allen tosses to a wide open Lee Smith, runs it in himself or hands off to Gore or Singletary for the TD.  A TD drive is a TD drive, period.  

Agreed. Always thought this was a useless stat. You can make throws to get to the one yard line and then run it in. It’s all about how you finish when down there.

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Allen is a great weapon from five yards out because he can roll out and the defense has to either commit to stopping his run or stay disciplined against the pass. Either way its an almost guaranteed score. 

 

McKenzie on the jet sweep feels like it's been an auto-TD down there as well. 

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1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Regardless of how the Bills are scoring their TDs , Allen’s tossed an alarmingly high number of INTs so far this season. The team has overcome them, so it’s not entirely off base. Allen has had a lot to do with their winning as well ; the Bills aren’t exactly hiding their QB. 

 

Let's put "alarmingly" high into perspective shall we.

 

Baker leads the league with 8

 

Allen is tied at 7 with Goff and Matt Ryan. 4 of those came all at once against the #1 pass defense in the league NE.

 

Dak and Daniel Jones have 6 each. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

Are you seriously asking who Dan Patrick is? If so, I'm gonna need to see some I.D. so I can let you buy beer.......

 

You sure can buy me a beer, ha ha! 

 

My point was not that I don't know the national media, but that the national media doesn't know diddly squat about The Bills. 

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3 hours ago, r00tabaga said:

Who said???

 

See link above.  It's legit.

 

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

Let's put "alarmingly" high into perspective shall we.

 

Baker leads the league with 8

 

Allen is tied at 7 with Goff and Matt Ryan. 4 of those came all at once against the #1 pass defense in the league NE.

 

Dak and Daniel Jones have 6 each.

 

3.  3 of them came all at once....  the 4th was Barkleys

 

But your base point stands, that's a nit.

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

See link above.  It's legit.

 

3.  3 of them came all at once....  the 4th was Barkleys

 

But your base point stands, that's a nit.

 

Thanks for the correction - don't mind at all.

 

But yeah, I was thinking about how his numbers would look without that melt down.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's another opportunity for me to rail against QB stats.  On a recent Dan Patrick show Patrick said the Bills were winning in spite of their QB.  He then cited Allen's TD/INT ratio.  A TD/INT ratio is irrelevant when a team chooses to run into the endzone instead of passing.  A TD drive is a TD drive no matter how it is achieved.  A more important stat is # of TD drives, and their length.  It doesn't mean anything if Allen tosses to a wide open Lee Smith, runs it in himself or hands off to Gore or Singletary for the TD.  A TD drive is a TD drive, period.  

 

Well.  I'm not sure it's irrelevant.  Give me a minute here.

 

Let's start with TD/INT ratio.  I did a bunch of stat grinding leading up to the draft in 2018, to evaluate QB success and then look at where successful QBs were drafted.   QB success is a fraught term - to some people a successful QB is a "franchise QB", a term whose meaning is hotly debated.  I was looking for a correlation with winning, a QB most would agree were good QB who could consistently take you deep in the playoffs with a defense and enough pieces around him, and then what statistics were correlated with that.  And one of the stats that was highly correlated was passing TD/INT ratio, and it was lower than you might think -  >1.5 was the number I came up with.  Why it matters, one can argue, but it matters.  (That's still a number so low some folks response was "you lost me", but the reason was I came up with 4 criteria and the successful QBs hit on all 4). 

 

My guess on one reason it matters is that if a QB throws significant numbers of picks, it may need successful passing to complete enough drives to overcome that.  Perhaps rushing doesn't do it, or can more easily be stifled.  I'm not really sure. 

 

Be that as it may, let's accept your hypothesis that it's total TDs scored, rushing or passing doesn't matter.   Allen has 8 total TDs and 7 ints.  That's a TD/INT ratio of 1.14, and still too low for sustained success.  

 

The season is young yet, and hopefully he will get it under control.

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

Thanks for the correction - don't mind at all.

But yeah, I was thinking about how his numbers would look without that melt down.

 

Better for reals.  Let's say he keeps it to 1, 8 TD 5 INT - TD/INT 1.6, we can win with that.  But we got to play the team that melted him 2x per year minimum and ideally 3x.  Somehow, the Bills and Allen got to raise his "melting point"

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