GoBills808 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It would be a blowout. Every rookie will tell you the hardest thing to adjust to is the NFL speed. These Alabama players have never seen it but you think they’ll just adjust to it immediately in a 4 quarter game? Some of their starters are still teenagers. I forgot which rookie QB said it a few years ago....but basically said in college you’ll get about 5 different looks on defense. In the NFL...it’s 20. The playbook is 1/5 of the size. Miami would win by 40. IMO if I'm setting the line Alabama v MIA it's going to start at MIA-60 and O/U 66.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, Augie said: Yet it seems to happen every year...... If I showed this thread to my father who taught me everything I know about this game.... I think he would have a heart attack and die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: See this is wrong. I crunched the numbers last year and of Alabama's Conference Championship win against Clemson (whatever year that was 2015?) Of the 22 starters all 22 made the NFL. And only 2 were drafted after the 4th round. And I'm sure that they are all better football players now than what they were on 2015...( the ones that are still playing anyway..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I think the resident “comedians” here desperately need new material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, Augie said: Bama has a bunch of NFL players on the roster. The Dolphins have 100% NFL players, if not top tier guys. Bama’s best might be the stars on Miami, but you need a complete roster to play an NFL game. Except the Dolphins don't. They have at least a dozen starters who are barely NFL backup level talents. And there is a bottom feeder team or two in that situation every year. If you are only an NFL player by virtue of being in the NFL then sure.... the Dolphins have 100% NFL players. There are a dozen starters on that team who would not make another lineup and would struggle to make another roster. Just like I said in this thread last year... Kelvin Benjamin wouldn't make another roster in the NFL. I was castigated at the time. And look now. Out of the league. Done. Not an NFL player. There are multiple Kelvin Benjamin cases on the Fins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I love this thread 5 times every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: As someone who played D1 ball and still coaches and scouts I can say with certainty that it's 0% The difference between college and the pros is insane. The size of the hits and the speed differences are insane Pros who stick in the league for 5+ years are unreal no matter what fams think There won't be 20 guys from 1 college team that sticks in the NFL for 5+ years as starter's Where did you play D1? And when? Unless you played in the SEC recently, I suspect your college football experience is of limited value. Teams like Alabama and Clemson are simply not in the same category as most other D1 teams. How many players on the Dolphins do you think will stick in the NFL for 5 plus years? 15? 20? I'd bet Alabama has more right now and they definitely have more high-end (second round or better) talent than the Phins. I know they are somewhat biased, but ex-Tide players almost to a man say that Alabama could beat plenty of NFL teams. They would know. Edited October 9, 2019 by mannc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Asinine thread It is but it sucks me in every time! They used to a game like this and it got cancel in the 70s. the problem is some posters are just assuming the Bama guys are automatically going to translate. Like Trent Richardson. Rolando McCain. Andre Smith. Dee Milliner. Dre Kirkpatrick. Every one of their qbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, Aussie Joe said: And I'm sure that they are all better football players now than what they were on 2015...( the ones that are still playing anyway..) They likely are. Sure. But talent and coaching are in 'Bama's favour over the Dolphins. It is not even indisputable in my mind. I can take the arguments about pace and complexity of the game. I can't take the talent argument because when you crunch the numbers it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 45 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This is so stupid but I would love to see it. Also, are we sure Bama is even the best college team yet? ...if St. Nick lost, he'd go into cardiac arrest....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mannc said: Where did you play D1? And when? Unless you played in the SEC recently, I suspect your college football experience is of limited value. How many players on the Dolphins do you think will stick in the NFL for 5 plus years? 15? 20? I'd bet Alabama has more right now and they definitely have more high-end (second round or better) talent than the Phins. I know they are somewhat biased, but ex-Tide players almost to a man say that Alabama could beat plenty of NFL teams. They would know. I played in the ACC as a backup and still scout I have tons of experience around college football still to this day. Football is my life and job And I'd assume the dolphins have close to 20 players with 5 years experience. Not gonna do the leg work cus it's tedious but I would expect it to be close Edited October 9, 2019 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, mannc said: Not too many busts come out of schools like Bama and Clemson. And I'm pretty sure the Dolphins don't have anywhere near "20 long term NFL starters." LOL...not many busts come out of Alabama? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You do realize that two SEC grown ass men olinemen, Jonah Williams and Williams on the Jets are already hurt right? So what? Are they the only NFL players who are injured? How did they get hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Except the Dolphins don't. They have at least a dozen starters who are barely NFL backup level talents. And there is a bottom feeder team or two in that situation every year. If you are only an NFL player by virtue of being in the NFL then sure.... the Dolphins have 100% NFL players. There are a dozen starters on that team who would not make another lineup and would struggle to make another roster. Just like I said in this thread last year... Kelvin Benjamin wouldn't make another roster in the NFL. I was castigated at the time. And look now. Out of the league. Done. Not an NFL player. There are multiple Kelvin Benjamin cases on the Fins. But Kelvin Benjamin was awesome in college so he is gonna to be awesome in the pros right! again, There’s a better than average chance Fitz will have a better career than Tua. There is a good chance some random receiver will have a better career than the Bama guys. I loved OJ Howard but he isn’t exactly ripping up the nfl. You’re assuming a lot here my guy. Nick Saban couldn’t win in the pros so he had to go back to college. It’s just a much harder league and you aren’t just stacking blue chippers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrycePaup4ever Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: I hate you, OP. I hate you. Thanks sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Where did you play D1? And when? Unless you played in the SEC recently, I suspect your college football experience is of limited value. Teams like Alabama and Clemson are simply not in the same category as most other D1 teams. How many players on the Dolphins do you think will stick in the NFL for 5 plus years? 15? 20? I'd bet Alabama has more right now and they definitely have more high-end (second round or better) talent than the Phins. I know they are somewhat biased, but ex-Tide players almost to a man say that Alabama could beat plenty of NFL teams. They would know. Every time you argue you this, you’re saying there is not any difference in the complexity of the NFL game and college if these college players can immediately adjust to the NFL game. You simply can not argue growing pains or rookie struggles. They should immediately be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: LOL...not many busts come out of Alabama? No. Not many guys taken in the first thee rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They likely are. Sure. But talent and coaching are in 'Bama's favour over the Dolphins. It is not even indisputable in my mind. I can take the arguments about pace and complexity of the game. I can't take the talent argument because when you crunch the numbers it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. The Fins head coach won a SB last year. In college, recruiting wins (though I agree Saban is a great college coach). They switch OCs every year and win because they have more talent than every team in college besides Clemson and maybe Georgia. And the far majority of those players will become nothing special in the nfl. Much less playing against guys who are physically more mature by years. I just dont think you comprehend how big of a jump it is from college to the pros. Just now, mannc said: No. Not many guys taken in the first thee rounds. I just listed like 7 off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They likely are. Sure. But talent and coaching are in 'Bama's favour over the Dolphins. It is not even indisputable in my mind. I can take the arguments about pace and complexity of the game. I can't take the talent argument because when you crunch the numbers it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. Coaching is definitely NOT in Alabama's favor. I mean come on bro Saban was a losing coach in the NFL with the Dolphins! It's different in the pros with salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Normally I don’t even respond to these treads but this one definitely had me thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Offseason threads > Bye Week threads 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Every time you argue you this, you’re saying there is not any difference in the complexity of the NFL game and college if these college players can immediately adjust to the NFL game. You simply can not argue growing pains or rookie struggles. They should immediately be great. I've never said any such thing and it really doesn't matter anyway. The point is, the talent level at a school like Alabama or Clemson is probably higher than on the Dolphins. The Phins might beat them, but they definitely would not physically overwhelm them, as many here suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, mannc said: So what? Are they the only NFL players who are injured? How did they get hurt? You were taking about them being grown ass SEC boys. Well, they didn’t make it a month before injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 36 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Toll Ride!! I mean Roll Tide! First time I've ever said this Not even if Sills V plays for the Tide?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1/3 of the Bama team would be on IR before recess. I mean halftime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 This is like someone starting a "Should Flutie or Johnson Start vs. Tennessee?" thread ... every ... effing ... year ..... beginning with the week before the actual game. Please. Make it stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I played in the ACC as a backup and still scout I have tons of experience around college football still to this day. Football is my life and job And the dolphins have over 20 players with 5 + years experience in the league I'd assume. Not gonna do the leg work cus it's tedious Fine. Then how do you account for the many former Tide players in the NFL (such as Marcel Dareus) who say that Alabama would win a lot of games in the NFL? Are they just wrong? Who would know better than them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Absolutely not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, mannc said: Fine. Then how do you account for the many former Tide players in the NFL (such as Marcel Dareus) who say that Alabama would win a lot of games in the NFL? Are they just wrong? Who would know better than them? You're taking anything that lummox Dareus says seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: But Kelvin Benjamin was awesome in college so he is gonna to be awesome in the pros right! again, There’s a better than average chance Fitz will have a better career than Tua. There is a good chance some random receiver will have a better career than the Bama guys. I loved OJ Howard but he isn’t exactly ripping up the nfl. You’re assuming a lot here my guy. Nick Saban couldn’t win in the pros so he had to go back to college. It’s just a much harder league and you aren’t just stacking blue chippers. OJ Howard is better than anyone on the Fins at the position. Even if all of Saban's guys were just OJ Howard they would be better than this Miami team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You were taking about them being grown ass SEC boys. Well, they didn’t make it a month before injury. Please. You're one of my favorite posters here, but that is a pathetic argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) I was pissed last year when all the Alabama homers thought that the Crimson Tide could hold their own or even beat the Bills- even when we had the number 2 defense and we were not even the worst team. Somehow we got picked by these #######s. Then they turned out to not even be the best college team. Anyway, we would have beaten them like 75-0 or worse. It would be frightening for them and laughable for us to watch. Tua would be sacked every play or running for his life. He would face serious injury. The Dolphins of this year would smack the Alabama off that neutral field or wherever the game was played all way back to Tuscaloosa. I wish just one one of these games would occur, just to shut up these idiots. Edited October 9, 2019 by SF Bills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Coaching is definitely NOT in Alabama's favor. I mean come on bro Saban was a losing coach in the NFL with the Dolphins! It's different in the pros with salary cap. I hate Saban. But if you don't think he is a better coach than Brian Flores I don't know what to tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Every year this post about Alabama vs. the nfl bottom feeder team pops up. Every year same answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: You're taking anything that lummox Dareus says seriously? He's far from the only one who's said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, mannc said: Fine. Then how do you account for the many former Tide players in the NFL (such as Marcel Dareus) who say that Alabama would win a lot of games in the NFL? Are they just wrong? Who would know better than them? As you said pride is very big for these guys And I'm sure some of them believe it... The thing with college kids is they are trotting out 18-19 year olds a good amount Besides Tremaine and a few others the NFL is trotting out 27 year old men... Development is a huge difference Could the OHL champs beat the worst sabres team? Hell no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: LOL...not many busts come out of Alabama? You’ve not seen the ‘girls of the SEC’ issue of Playboy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: OJ Howard is better than anyone on the Fins at the position. Even if all of Saban's guys were just OJ Howard they would be better than this Miami team. This Miami team led Dallas at halftime. So you think Bama could have the lead against Dallas? and as a big Howard fan, what has he proven in the nfl? Maybe he’s not as good when he is playing against the men in the nfl instead of college kids. Man Gunner, I’m normally with you but this is insane. Boys against men. And know I want this game to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 The other guy who said it was Reggie Ragland iirc. Maybe Cyrus Kouandijo thinks so too. Haven't heard from Trent Richardson or Dee Milliner yet. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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