Billsfan1972 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Big Ben - 27-47 1 Int, 3 total points Miami - 18-39, 4 Ints Shutout NYJ - 12-22, 98 yards, 1 int, 0 points..... Allen made bad mistakes, threw some terrible passes too and looked like little separation and we know Zay can't adjust or fight for a ball (i.e. two ints). Maybe their defense is pretty good? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Their defense is really good but we traded up for Allen so we can have a QB that can compete with them. Allen wasn't that guy on Sunday. All 16 of New England's were on turnovers. 10 of those points were on Allen's turnovers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Their defense didn’t cause him to under- and overthrow open receivers by 5 yards. Not the first week he’s done that either. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Big Ben - 27-47 1 Int, 3 total points Miami - 18-39, 4 Ints Shutout NYJ - 12-22, 98 yards, 1 int, 0 points..... Allen made bad mistakes, threw some terrible passes too and looked like little separation and we know Zay can't adjust or fight for a ball (i.e. two ints). Maybe their defense is pretty good? Stop this right now!!! We must blame and question Josh in everything !!!! It's Chicken Little Time that being said ..... F%$# NE*** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I don’t think anyone would argue that New England’s defense is very good. On the flip side, Allen could have played much better than he did, and most of his mistakes were of the unforced variety. While that in itself is to me, encouraging it’s something that only he can decide to change. As a Bills fan, I hope he does. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: Their defense didn’t cause him to under- and overthrow open receivers by 5 yards. Not the first week he’s done that either. Josh was off on a lot of throws. He almost made Beasley look like Zay Jones!!!!! 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: I don’t think anyone would argue that New England’s defense is very good. On the flip side, Allen could have played much better than he did, and most of his mistakes were of the unforced variety. While that in itself is to me, encouraging it’s something that only he can decide to change. As a Bills fan, I hope he does. No doubt Josh regressed some. Too much pressure? Must Win mindset? Who knows.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said: Josh was off on a lot of throws. He almost made Beasley look like Zay Jones!!!!! That will happen when you are rushed and confused. BB does this to young quarterbacks. That is all it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Their defense being good shouldn’t really excuse our QB from being wildly inaccurate and making horrible decisions. if he doesn’t learn from these mistakes then we have a problem. Edited October 1, 2019 by Bangarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) NE probably has the best secondary in the league but if we're being honest a lot of the mistakes made on Sunday were self-imposed. It wasn't just the INTs either. Allen was just missing guys both due to inaccuracy and because he was often throwing to the wrong guy when we had other receivers who were wide open. It was just an ugly day. Might be time to move on from this topic. Josh will bounce back eventually. Edited October 1, 2019 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Allen played bad. Patriots defense is good. 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Their defense is really good but we traded up for Allen so we can have a QB that can compete with them. Allen wasn't that guy on Sunday. All 16 of New England's were on turnovers. 10 of those points were on Allen's turnovers. Err didn’t they score a TD+PAT (that’s 7 by my math) on a blocked punt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 That's what I said. Allen was not good. Daboll didn't help him and just a bad day (just like Brady). Can you imagine Allen throwing an Int at the goal line, as Brady did (& Barkley appeared to) and the response then? How about some screens or shovel passes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That will happen when you are rushed and confused. BB does this to young quarterbacks. That is all it is. I am well aware Mr hands ..... for this you get a brightly polished badge LOL 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: That's what I said. Allen was not good. Daboll didn't help him and just a bad day (just like Brady). Can you imagine Allen throwing an Int at the goal line, as Brady did (& Barkley appeared to) and the response then? How about some screens or shovel passes too. Daboll needs to get smart with his play calling. They have plays that work but he waits too long to implement them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 BB blitzed Allen 45% of his snaps. He wanted him out of the pocket, rolling, cutting the field in half and and trying to make hero throws. And that's exactly what he got. We were at our best running the ball and working out of play action. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Their defense being good shouldn’t really excuse our QB from being wildly inaccurate and making horrible decisions. if he doesn’t learn from these mistakes then we have a problem. The horrible decisions have to be fixed, no doubt, but being wildly inaccurate is at least partly explainable by going up against a top defense. It’s not like Brady was lighting it up either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Allen played bad. Patriots defense is good. Err didn’t they score a TD+PAT (that’s 7 by my math) on a blocked punt? I believe a blocked punt is a turnover? I forgot which TD they missed the extra point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Their defense didn’t cause him to under- and overthrow open receivers by 5 yards. Not the first week he’s done that either. Let play a game. I start running away from you and you try to hit me in stride while six or seven people who outweigh you try to run into you as hard as they can. I bet you miss on a couple throws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I believe a blocked punt is a turnover? I forgot which TD they missed the extra point. Notwithstanding I’m not sure a blocked punt is really a turnover...you said 10 of their points were off Allen turnovers. 7 of their 16 points came off that blocked punt. 16-7=9. If this is too much math I can prolly paint a picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I think Josh was too amped up and the game was too big a stage for him at this point in his career. That can be fixed. I think he also fell victim to a Belichick coached defense, which unfortunately for us and for the league can't be fixed until he retires. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Allen needs to take what the defense is giving him and that entails checking down to the RB. Pats played without Hightower and we just needed more positive plays on 1st and 2nd down to avoid 3rd and long. Allen will improve but the question is why wasn’t this noted before halftime - getting Yeldon & Gore out into the flat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Notwithstanding I’m not sure a blocked punt is really a turnover...you said 10 of their points were off Allen turnovers. 7 of their 16 points came off that blocked punt. 16-7=9. If this is too much math I can prolly paint a picture I know the math. I am not sure when the Gostowski missed the PAT. If it was on the blocked punt, then that's 6 not on Allen. Then 10 for a TD and FG off of Allen's turnovers. If it was on the regular TD and not blocked punt...then it's 7 not on Allen. Then it was 9 with a TD (missed extra point) and FG on Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 32 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Their defense didn’t cause him to under- and overthrow open receivers by 5 yards. Not the first week he’s done that either. I mean, a defenses ability to create confusion does contribute to overall QB play. So they did in a way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I know the math. I am not sure when the Gostowski missed the PAT. If it was on the blocked punt, then that's 6 not on Allen. Then 10 for a TD and FG off of Allen's turnovers. If it was on the regular TD and not blocked punt...then it's 7 not on Allen. Then it was 9 with a TD (missed extra point) and FG on Allen. Pretty sure he missed the PAT on the first TD end around thing to the guy with the terrible hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: BB blitzed Allen 45% of his snaps. He wanted him out of the pocket, rolling, cutting the field in half and and trying to make hero throws. And that's exactly what he got. We were at our best running the ball and working out of play action. And why we didn’t continue to hand it to Gore and do dump off after , screen after swing pass I don’t understand. It’s not the first time this season Daboll has gotten cute or stupid with his play calling? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I mean, a defenses ability to create confusion does contribute to overall QB play. So they did in a way. As I said, last week wasn’t the 1st week Allen’s missed like that. In fact, it appears to be becoming a pattern, especially with overthrows on deep balls. So I’m not crediting NE’s defense with much when he’s now done it against multiple opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: The horrible decisions have to be fixed, no doubt, but being wildly inaccurate is at least partly explainable by going up against a top defense. It’s not like Brady was lighting it up either. The inaccuracies looked to be more a function of his base and footwork. We’ve seen him throwing off his back foot too many times now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Their defense is good, but all three interceptions were self inflicted errors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 53 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Their defense being good shouldn’t really excuse our QB from being wildly inaccurate and making horrible decisions. if he doesn’t learn from these mistakes then we have a problem. I guess the Bills defense shouldn’t really excuse Brady from being wildly inaccurate (46% completion) and making horrible decisions (Awful decision on the interception). I hope he learns from those mistakes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Pats defense is really good. Allen also had a really bad day. Hopefully he learns and grows from that game. That’s what really matters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I guess the Bills defense shouldn’t really excuse Brady from being wildly inaccurate (46% completion) and making horrible decisions (Awful decision on the interception). I hope he learns from those mistakes Throwing into double coverage off your back foot is on the QB. Missing a wide open Cole Beasley on a 5 yard out is on the QB. Allen left a lot of plays out on the field on Sunday that had more to do with his decision making and fundamentals than the Pats defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Pretty sure he missed the PAT on the first TD end around thing to the guy with the terrible hair Are you trying to say you have better hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Gilmore sucks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Are you trying to say you have better hair? You know damn well I have phenomenal hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Throwing into double coverage off your back foot is on the QB. Missing a wide open Cole Beasley on a 5 yard out is on the QB. Allen left a lot of plays out on the field on Sunday that had more to do with his decision making and fundamentals than the Pats defense. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. At least be consistent. Allen's play was a combination of his own mistakes and the Pats* defense. So the defense was mostly responsible for making a HOFer look awful; however, the defense had nothing to do with a kid in his 15th NFL game look bad? Nonsensical Edited October 1, 2019 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: You know damn well I have phenomenal hair I have dry hair...I have to put in leave in conditioner in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Sorry, you can't have it both ways. What are you referring to? Just now, billsfan1959 said: At least be consistent. With what? Just now, billsfan1959 said: Allen's play was a combination of his own mistakes and the Pats* defense. When did I say it wasn’t? Throwing the ball away or into the ground because nobody is open is a credit to the defense. Holding the ball too long, throwing into double coverage and missing open receivers is on the QB. Should going up against a good defense excuse you from making the above mistakes? I don’t think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Pats defense is really good. Allen also had a really bad day. Hopefully he learns and grows from that game. That’s what really matters. Amen Scott. I'm not panicking (yet), or getting too worried (yet). He has shown signs of learning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 No morals victories but it is not a crime to point out that NE has been steam rolling teams......we lost by less then a TD and had a chance to win it in the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: What are you referring to? With what? When did I say it wasn’t? Throwing the ball away or into the ground because nobody is open is a credit to the defense. Holding the ball too long, throwing into double coverage and missing open receivers is on the QB. Should going up against a good defense excuse you from making the above mistakes? I don’t think so. Your rants against Allen are becoming ridiculously biased and indefensible. Repeating them over and over and over and over...doesn't make them any more accurate. But, hey, carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I have dry hair...I have to put in leave in conditioner in it. I know the English language has come a long way but you still can't use 'dry' and 'thin' interchangeably, sorry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veneno Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: Big Ben - 27-47 1 Int, 3 total points Miami - 18-39, 4 Ints Shutout NYJ - 12-22, 98 yards, 1 int, 0 points..... Allen made bad mistakes, threw some terrible passes too and looked like little separation and we know Zay can't adjust or fight for a ball (i.e. two ints). Maybe their defense is pretty good? Darnolds is going to be great according to your stat since he completed 70% of this throw and had 1TD and zero INT even though he was harassed by the Bills' defense the entire game, many times an edge rusher came unblocked and he was able to get rid of the ball and not make any mistakes. Edited October 1, 2019 by Veneno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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