jrober38 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He didn't only ask the Ukrainians to look into Biden. That's false. He asked the Ukraine to look into CROWDSTRIKE. If you don't know what Crowdstrike is... you should by now. Spin, spin, spin, spin. That narrative about Ukrainian corruption is complete garbage. It would be great for Republicans if it were true, but it's not. Edited November 8, 2019 by jrober38 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Spin, spin, spin, spin. That narrative about Ukrainian corruption is complete garbage. It would be great for Republicans if it were true, but it's not. That's not spin. That's what the transcript says. Do you deny he asked about CrowdStrike? Are you really going to argue that? Come on now. The black ledger -- came from the Ukraine (proven, not fiction) Steele worked in the Ukraine with the people involved in this whole affair (proven, not fiction) Biden/Obama got dirty in the Ukraine orchestrating coups for Soros (proven, not fiction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The Ukraine is so messed up, Polish people amuse themselves by telling “Ukie” jokes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not spin. That's what the transcript says. Do you deny he asked about CrowdStrike? Are you really going to argue that? Come on now. I'm aware of it. I've read the whole transcript, which isn't actually a transcript by the way. What does Crowdstrike have to do with Ukrainian political corruption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: I'm aware of it. I've read the whole transcript, which isn't actually a transcript by the way. What does Crowdstrike have to do with Ukrainian political corruption? The better question to ask is what does CrowdStrike have to do with the 2016 election. If you don't know the answer to that, then you should. Because it answers your first question. And "it's not really a transcript" is a canard. It's the closest thing that exists to a transcript. Be better than blindly following talking points and look into how those transcripts are compiled. You'll find it's impossible to fake one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: The better question to ask is what does CrowdStrike have to do with the 2016 election. If you don't know the answer to that, then you should. Because it answers your first question. Spin, spin, spin, spin. LMAO If you think Trump actually gave a damn about cleaning up Ukrainian political corruption, you're absolutely crazy. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Spin, spin, spin, spin. LMAO If you think Trump actually gave a damn about cleaning up Ukrainian political corruption, you're absolutely crazy. It's NOT about Ukrainian corruption. It's about US CORRUPTION IN THE UKRAINE. That's not spin. That's reality. Again: Black Ledger (Ukrainian sourced), Steele's dossier (Ukrainian sourced), Biden/Burisma (proven and real) -- plus Nuland/Clinton/Soros and the Orange Revolution. Not to mention McCain's involvement. It's always fun when someone thinks they understand a topic, wades down here to try to prove it, then gets embarrassed when they realize they're blindly pushing spin and talking points with no basis in reality. ********************************************************************** Edited November 8, 2019 by Deranged Rhino 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 More about the Ukraine/2016 You're being lied to, jrober -- by the same people who SWORE to you for three years they had definitive evidence that Trump/Russia colluded to steal the election. Why do you continue to give proven liars the benefit of the doubt? Is it because it conforms to your partisan bias? Shouldn't you, even if you remain anti-Trump (which is your right, not an issue), consider getting new sources once your old ones are exposed as liars with an agenda designed to divide the country and support the WORST elements of the IC? Or no? And more: on Nuland -- a key player: But it's not about US corruption, right, Jrober? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Same people who wanted to doxx whistleblowers working for ABC exposing the Epstein cover up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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keepthefaith Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Spin, spin, spin, spin. LMAO If you think Trump actually gave a damn about cleaning up Ukrainian political corruption, you're absolutely crazy. You might note that Trump since he became President has pulled aid from countries where he didn't like their behavior and he has put conditions on aid being provided. Some that come to mind are NATO countries (pay your fair share), Mexico and other Latin American countries (stop the BS migration) and Pakistan IIRC. He's actually been quite consistent in asking for a fair return in exchange for aid. When you stop viewing Biden as a political opponent and rather as one that has his fingerprints on previous aid that went missing with a family member being compensated directly by the organization and principles of the organization who handled some of the missing AID money, there's a pattern of consistency from Trump. He's used taxpayer money as a lever to get benefits for our country. The Biden's have earned their investigation. Joe made the incredible mistake of bragging about his handling of aid without the benefit of Hillary to cover him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) On 11/6/2019 at 9:43 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: heh ... Edited November 8, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal wrong tweet... but all of Sperry's are "breaking" so... honest mistake 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: Are you serious or just trolling with talking points? Just in case...and because I am bored... Revised why? The most likely answer I heard was that he was the first witness, tried to cover for the boss initially, was contradicted by later testimony/texts, and had to correct in order to avoid jail on perjury charges. If possible, put yourself in Zelensky's shoes. He MUST get US aid or his country may be taken over by Russia, correct? Trump has the ability to alter foreign policy for possibly several years ahead. Zelensky was put in a position where he could offend Trump and sink his nation with the wrong answer. I can't say he lied, but he really only had one possible answer in that situation. The aid was withheld for quite a while, even into September. The Ukrainians learned of the hold up apparently in August. Zelensky was preparing to make the announcement of the investigations Trump wanted when the whistle blower story broke. Two days later, if I recall, the Ukrainian funds were released. That timing suggests Trump was trying to get his personal political favors using the aid money as leverage. Acting properly only after getting caught does not excuse the attempt. Yeah I suspect Zelensky could be lying. I also suspect there was some major corruption going on with the Obama admin/Bidens in Ukraine and therefore I have no problem with it being investigated considering a) we are giving to/wasting more money on them and b) Biden is running for President. If you don't have a problem with those 2 things, that says more about you than anything. 5 hours ago, row_33 said: Obama refused to ship missiles to the region, and now Trump is causing all the problems by delaying the delivery... Yup. He pulled out of the European missile defense shield to appease Putin and a week later asked for a quid pro quo from him, through Medvedev, when he was caught on that hot mic saying "I'll have more flexibility after my election." And that pullout allowed Russia to invade Ukraine. Edited November 9, 2019 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Speaking of (not the same vid) If you are using Glenn Beck....golly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, TH3 said: If you are using Glenn Beck....golly.... I'm not using Glenn Beck. I've been using evidence. Of which I have mountains of and the side you're toeing the line for has zero of. But carry on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Glenn effing Beck Edited November 9, 2019 by TH3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Who’s Glenn Beck??? Barry Beck’s brother? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Alexander Vindman’s Testimony Appears to Confirm He Illegally Leaked to the Whistle-Blower https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/11/08/alexander-vindmans-testimony-appears-confirm-illegally-leaked-whistle-blower/ . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Yup. I knew it had to be Vindman. Hope the jail time was worth it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. I knew it had to be Vindman. Hope the jail time was worth it. https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1193269150216577024 but he’s the Ukraine expert! And should be in charge of policy, not POTUS. This is going to get real bad for the left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Hopefully it was worth it for Yovanovitch as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hedge said: Tuesday... the 12TH! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Tuesday... the 12TH! Realizing that Crayonz has been Nostradamus: 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella was Biden guest at State Department banquet. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 It's no wonder they're all now saying "who the whistleblower is is irrelevant." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Does anyone else think this non-revealing of the ‘whistleblower’ has gotten to be just a tad ridiculous? When the guy has a lawyer spewing nonsense into the public arena I think his identity can be revealed. This country has become like junior high school! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Does anyone else think this non-revealing of the ‘whistleblower’ has gotten to be just a tad ridiculous? When the guy has a lawyer spewing nonsense into the public arena I think his identity can be revealed. This country has become like junior high school! His name is now known. What's ridiculous is claiming he's now irrelevant and shouldn't be bothered with anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Does anyone else think this non-revealing of the ‘whistleblower’ has gotten to be just a tad ridiculous? When the guy has a lawyer spewing nonsense into the public arena I think his identity can be revealed. This country has become like junior high school! Has become?? It’s been junior high for a long time. We’re sliding into elementary school now. “Trump and Putin sittin in a tree.....” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) for all the outrage the Dems have professed over the McCarthy Hearings and that, i never dreamed they meant outrage because they weren't the ones to inflict it. Well, they are doing it now without a shred of evidence to back it up at least there were proven Communists working at State and other high positions of government. Edited November 10, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Adam Schiff Announces CIA “Whistleblower” Will Not Be Called to Testify During Impeachment Effort Initiated by “Whistleblower”… Original Article HPSCI Chairman Adam Schiff responds to the republican witness request list. In the final paragraph of the letter, Schiff announces the “whistleblower”, the person Chairman Schiff coordinated with to initiate the impeachment, will never be called to deliver testimony: . 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 6 hours ago, Hedge said: The look of panic says it all. Why doesn't the establishment media want to out the guy's name? In part it's because the same outlets relied on him as an anonymous source during the Russian lie. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsner Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/liar-alexander-vindman-to-be-removed-from-national-security-council/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Pilsner said: https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/liar-alexander-vindman-to-be-removed-from-national-security-council/ About time. This fool should have his security clearance immediately revoked as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Koko78 said: About time. This fool should have his security clearance immediately revoked as well. I think a courts martial is also in order. He should get the General Flynn treatment. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 You guys just love fake news, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nanker said: I think a courts martial is also in order. He should get the General Flynn treatment. So you guys are happy having a criminal running the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you guys are happy having a criminal running the country. Apparently criminals are all we have left to choose from (Biden, Clinton....), so sure, what the heck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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