Whistleblower Has Been Backed Up By Multiple Witnesses

[TakeYouToTasker]

17 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son

Trump has falsely claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating Ukraine’s largest private gas company, Burisma, which had added Biden’s son, Hunter, to its board in 2014.

 

There are two big problems with this claim: One, Shokin was not investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden, and two, Shokin’s ouster was considered a diplomatic victory.

 

Biden was among the many Western officials who pressed for the removal of Shokin because he actually was not investigating the corruption endemic to the country. Indeed, he was not investigating Burisma at the time. In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky.

 

“Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk, of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center, told The Washington Post in July. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.”

 

In a 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged about his role in Shokin’s removal, saying he had withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to force action. But Biden was carrying out a policy developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

 

The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Getting rid of Shokin was considered the linchpin of reform efforts, but U.S. officials had a list of changes the government needed to make before it could obtain another loan guarantee.

 

In December 2015, Biden traveled to Kiev and decried the “cancer of corruption” in the country in a speech to the parliament. “The Office of the General Prosecutor desperately needs reform,” he noted. Shokin was removed from office three months later, and Biden announced April 15 that the loan guarantee would go forward; the agreement between the United States and Ukraine was signed June 3.

 

One can certainly raise questions about Hunter Biden’s judgment in joining Burisma’s board at a time his father had a high-profile role in working with Ukraine’s government. But by continuing to claim that Biden “did” something for his son, Trump persists in spreading a false narrative about a diplomatic maneuver hailed at the time as a step toward reducing corruption in Ukraine.

 

This account is wholly untrue according to a bevy of recently released documents, and the direct testimony of Shokin.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-newly-revealed-documents-blow-up-bidens-ukraine-story

 

“The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” said Shokin. “On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation.”

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Questions the media won't ask... despite claiming to be "journalists" and "objective". 

 

It was always a coup. Still is. 

[RaoulDuke79]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Questions the media won't ask... despite claiming to be "journalists" and "objective". 

 

It was always a coup. Still is. 

People freaked out when Trump labeled the media the enemy of the people,  but it's spot on.

[dubs]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Questions the media won't ask... despite claiming to be "journalists" and "objective". 

 

It was always a coup. Still is. 

 

Yep. Anyone who believes anything from the MSM deserves exactly what they are going to eventually get, completely and totally controlled. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, RaoulDuke79 said:

People freaked out when Trump labeled the media the enemy of the people,  but it's spot on.

 

Yup. 

(In general terms)

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

People freaked out when Trump labeled the media the enemy of the people,  but it's spot on.

 

He was right. But some here just can't accept the threat they pose nor stomach the remedies necessary.

Edited September 28, 2019 by Joe in Winslow

[Deranged Rhino]

...Let's see how this goes.

 

[DC Tom]

44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Questions the media won't ask... despite claiming to be "journalists" and "objective". 

 

It was always a coup. Still is. 

 

@Crayola64: in other words, IT'S LEGALLY HEARSAY.

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

@Crayola64: in other words, IT'S LEGALLY HEARSAY.

if it's heard in the third chair....does it become illegal heresy?

[Hedge]

 

 

Once again "Liddle' Adam Schiff". This gives me hope that the band aid will actually get ripped all the way off.

[Numark3]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

@Crayola64: in other words, IT'S LEGALLY HEARSAY.

 

No its not.  Second hand knowledge does not equal hearsay.  It really is not a difficult concept to grasp.  

[Foxx]

in addition to the Whistleblower laws being rewritten, i am hearing whispers that they have done the same thing with the FEC bylaws. Weintraub has rewritten the, 'Interpretive Rule Concerning Prohibited Activities Involving Foreign Nationals'. essentially, 'things of value' which are to include, 'information'. very vaguely written, without any precedent. look for this to become a thing in the days to come.

 

these ***** are such a joke.

 

Interpretive Rule Concerning Prohibited Activities Involving Foreign Nationals

 

@EllenLWeintraub

[Numark3]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

if it's heard in the third chair....does it become illegal heresy?

 

Very clever lol

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

in addition to the Whistleblower laws being rewritten, i am hearing whispers that they have done the same thing with the FEC bylaws. Weintraub has rewritten the, 'Interpretive Rule Concerning Prohibited Activities Involving Foreign Nationals'. essentially, 'things of value' which are to include, 'information'. very vaguely written, without any precedent. look for this to become a thing in the days to come.

 

these ***** are such a joke.

 

Interpretive Rule Concerning Prohibited Activities Involving Foreign Nationals

 

@EllenLWeintraub

 

So...it was rewritten after the phone call?  That's a shame for the Dems.  As is the fact that calls to other leaders were also put on higher-level servers to prevent them being leaked.   Not to mention the fact that Velensky didn't feel like the aid was tied to him investigating Biden.  And that the aid had been withheld since February 28th.

 

There's just no there, there.

[Deranged Rhino]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So...it was rewritten after the phone call?  That's a shame for the Dems.  As is the fact that calls to other leaders were also put on higher-level servers to prevent them being leaked.   Not to mention the fact that Velensky didn't feel like the aid was tied to him investigating Biden.  And that the aid had been withheld since February 28th.

 

There's just no there, there.

 

 

 

Of all things I never expected in the past three years, it would be me saying that Peter f'ing Strzok was right all along. 

 

(It was always a coup)

[3rdnlng]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

...Let's see how this goes.

 

Those boys need blackface to pull thatshit off.

2 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

 

No its not.  Second hand knowledge does not equal hearsay.  It really is not a difficult concept to grasp.  

Hearsay is valuable to an investigator. I don't think anyone here disputes that. Hearsay doesn't amount toshit in court. Maybe you need one of those hearing amplifiers so you can hear what's going on way down there in the 3rd chair.

[Numark3]

12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Hearsay is valuable to an investigator. I don't think anyone here disputes that. Hearsay doesn't amount toshit in court. Maybe you need one of those hearing amplifiers so you can hear what's going on way down there in the 3rd chair.

 

There ya go buddy, the complaint is not what would go to court.  Hence it is not hearsay.  

 

 

And keep laughing at a big law attorney getting trial experience.  It really stings!  I should have picked a profession that doesn't pay hundreds of thousands as an entry level salary ?

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

 

There ya go buddy, the complaint is not what would go to court.  Hence it is not hearsay.  

 

 

And keep laughing at a big law attorney getting trial experience.  It really stings!  I should have picked a profession that doesn't pay hundreds of thousands as an entry level salary ?

I'm sorry, I can't hear you. Sounds like you said your name was Scooby. Can you come down here towards the center of the courtroom, you know where the wide aisle is so I can hear you?

 

BTW, how much did the Nigerian Prince want to give you that entry level job paying hundreds of thousands a year?

[Numark3]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

BTW, how much did the Nigerian Prince want to give you that entry level job paying hundreds of thousands a year?

 

Hey, if you wanted tips on a career change, I highly recommend it.  The life is goooooooood

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Hey, if you wanted tips on a career change, I highly recommend it.  The life is goooooooood

Gotta hand it to you, you fancy boys are so optimistic.

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Hey, if you wanted tips on a career change, I highly recommend it.  The life is goooooooood

 

Living proof money can’t buy class. 

[John Adams]

Interesting to see how many R pundits are sliding to the side of criticizing Trump on this. Maybe Pelosi read the tea leaves right on her timing and the actions here. 

[North Buffalo]

7 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Living proof money can’t buy class. 

Pot v kettle you guys are funny...

[Niagara]

1 hour ago, John Adams said:

Interesting to see how many R pundits are sliding to the side of criticizing Trump on this. Maybe Pelosi read the tea leaves right on her timing and the actions here. 

Even if he failed to dot an i or cross a t, it hardly seems to be a high crime.

[SoCal Deek]

So let me get this straight. The Washington Post says that Biden was doing a good thing strong arming the Ukraine to fire a prosecutor. So...if true...then what’s everyone upset at Trump for? Shouldn’t he and the new Ukraine leader be able to find out the same thing in a few weeks? What’s the problem again? Hmmm?

[Foxx]

10 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

 

There ya go buddy, the complaint is not what would go to court.  Hence it is not hearsay.  

 

 

And keep laughing at a big law attorney getting trial experience.  It really stings!  I should have picked a profession that doesn't pay hundreds of thousands as an entry level salary ?

what you seem to be glossing over here is that this complaint is most definitely hearsay, in that it is derived from the words of another as to what supposedly happened. you can term it not legal hearsay but by any other name, it is hearsay and that is all anyone is saying. stop being so ***** disingenuous.

 

further, snitches never are the ones who are held up to the light in the public eye to extol the virtues of someones wrong doing. the information given is used as a lead to find out if there is any there there. that the Dems had to rewrite the guidelines to be able to include hearsay is just as dubiousness to the utmost. 

 

the Donners are going to destroy themselves and are well on their way. 

[SoCal Deek]

Here say? The more appropriate term is GOSSIP.

[Buffalo_Gal]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Here say? The more appropriate term is GOSSIP.

 

I disagree. Sometimes, gossip has the correct facts. Nothing about this "whistleblower " opp was correct. 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

Pot v kettle you guys are funny...

 

No I have plenty of class and I didn’t buy it. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

People freaked out when Trump labeled the media the enemy of the people,  but it's spot on.

 

 

 

....sad to see the "news industry" down the drain after industry stalwarts like Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite, Edward R, etc were held in such high esteem....RIP fellas, it's fugly here today......

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

....sad to see the "news industry" down the drain after industry stalwarts like Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite, Edward R, etc were held in such high esteem....RIP fellas, it's fugly here today......

 

 

JUST THINK OF THE MEDIA AS DEMOCRATIC PARTY OPERATIVES WITH BYLINES, AND IT ALL MAKES SENSE. 

 

Gallup Poll: 69 Percent of Democrats Trust the Mass Media.

 

 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

JUST THINK OF THE MEDIA AS DEMOCRATIC PARTY OPERATIVES WITH BYLINES, AND IT ALL MAKES SENSE. 

 

Gallup Poll: 69 Percent of Democrats Trust the Mass Media.

 

 

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...a "paid political advertisement" no doubt.......then again, I look at my "dyed in the wool Dem relatives"...SMH.....CNN is there ONLY news source......here's some other snippets from them.....one aunt lamented" Ronald Reagan ruined my life......George Bush is NOT my President".......return address labels said "ALWAYS A DEMOCRAT"......or another aunt who agonized over "voting for a black man as President(Obama)"...she did because casting a vote for ANY Republican was heresy......or a classic from a cousin, "Lewinsky servicing Clinton probably relaxed him so he could do a better job as President"..or my late mother, "Reagan is nothing more than a B rated actor as President"....I CANNOT Make this stuff up folks....these are real deal Dems.....now you know why I haven't been to a family function in 20+ years....and you though only Jim Jones followers drank the kool-aid...SMH....

[RochesterRob]

36 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

....sad to see the "news industry" down the drain after industry stalwarts like Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite, Edward R, etc were held in such high esteem....RIP fellas, it's fugly here today......

  Cronkite was already the beginning of the descent to the level we are at today.  

[Numark3]

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

what you seem to be glossing over here is that this complaint is most definitely hearsay, in that it is derived from the words of another as to what supposedly happened. you can term it not legal hearsay but by any other name, it is hearsay and that is all anyone is saying. stop being so ***** disingenuous.

 

 

you all are the ones who keep on calling it LEGAL hearsay, which it isn’t.  I’m just correcting you all.  Sorry you don’t like facts

 

 

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

further, snitches never are the ones who are held up to the light in the public eye to extol the virtues of someones wrong doing. the information given is used as a lead to find out if there is any there there. that the Dems had to rewrite the guidelines to be able to include hearsay is just as dubiousness to the utmost. 

 

the Donners are going to destroy themselves and are well on their way. 

I love how whistleblowers are snitches now.

[Foxx]

16 hours ago, Foxx said:

in addition to the Whistleblower laws being rewritten, i am hearing whispers that they have done the same thing with the FEC bylaws. Weintraub has rewritten the, 'Interpretive Rule Concerning Prohibited Activities Involving Foreign Nationals'. essentially, 'things of value' which are to include, 'information'. very vaguely written, without any precedent. look for this to become a thing in the days to come.

 

these ***** are such a joke.

 

Interpretive Rule Concerning Prohibited Activities Involving Foreign Nationals

 

@EllenLWeintraub

 

https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1178292122115608576

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1178290531031490560

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Albwan]

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”

The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed…

…A previous version of the whistleblower complaint document, which the ICIG and DNI until recently provided to potential whistleblowers, declared that any complaint must contain only first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoing and that complaints that provide only hearsay, rumor, or gossip would be rejected.

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 I'm sure this was brought up earlier in this post but should be put on every single page.

Stuff like this is so glaringly obvious even JA and tibs have to look away in shame.

 

Edited September 29, 2019 by Albwan

[Deranged Rhino]

 

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