Power Rankings

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

You're cherry picking facts to back up your argument. The Raven's didn't make the playoffs because of Jackson. I think the Bears are better than us, but not as good as everyone is assuming they will be

They went 4-5 with Flacco and 6-1 with Lamar, so that shows some impact.  I’m not even arguing he’s great.  But why can’t he improve?  I honestly have no idea how to rank the Ravens but I’d put the playoff team with a track record of success ahead of us right now.  Depending on which qb improves the most, I can see things switching. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Where should the team that won the SB be ranked?  You would be losing your mind about the national media disrespecting us if the Bills weren’t number 1 after winning the SB (I would be dead of heart attack).

 

guess what?  The odds say the Pats will win the SB and are still the best team.  They will be until they aren’t.  So why put someone else ahead of them?

 

...LMAO...for how many years has Brady's "six foot hole" been shovel ready?....Pats are like that keepsake 'ol "John Cameron Swayze Timex" in your top drawer from the old man...SOB's just "keep on tickin' "............

[teef]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, you’re the one who’s sensitive.  You cry every time some doesn’t just say the Bills are awesome.  I’m objective.  Right now, I have zero problems with their rankings that mean absolutely nothing. 

 

Guess what people who think the national media is against Buffalo?  Guess who will be ranked if the Bills win this week?  Prove you’re not the same 6-10 7-9 team and then you get respect.  But stop crying about being disrespected because right now, we don’t deserve any. 

ok.  you're sounding foolish now.  show me once where the bolded happen.  one time.  it doesn't.  you on the other hand...someone makes a simple comment about another team/player, and i can literally count you to come in a second to tell them why they're not allowed to have that opinion.  

 

when someone complains about not getting media attention, (and i agree it's wildly stupid), you're the first one to come in an repeat the same tired nonsense.  we get it.  you're a former homer and now a "realist".  you complain you're attacked for your opinion, only to do the same to others.  you calling anyone sensitive is pretty laughable.

Edited September 3, 2019 by teef

[Say When...]

5 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

fins 32nd, lol

 

they should be 33rd

 

told this to my buddy, who is a lifelong fins fan, and he spit his beer out all over the place, was a fricken mess

 

BTW - great avatar; cracks me up everytime i see it.

[nedboy7]

I’m surprised the Bills even made the list. 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

 

Exactly, the Bills are a team with good defense and an offense that has been missing for over 2 decades. Josh Allen could very well be JP Losman for all we know. If Allen shows to be a top 15 QB in this league, the Bills are probably in the playoffs for the foreseeable future. If he turns out to be another bum, this team wins 6 games max.

I don’t get why people think there is some bias against the Bills.  It’s dumb.  Allen wasn’t an accurate passer in college and he was even worse in the nfl.  He has some great skills but he needs to make some big steps.  If Allen wasn’t on the Bills and played on a 6-10 Lions team, we won’t lose it if they were ranked in the top 15.

[Max Fischer]

6 hours ago, aristocrat said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001046132/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-1-chargers-in-top10-colts-plummet?campaign=tw-nf-sf218634455-sf218634455&sf218634455=1

 

pats 1

 

jets 22

bills 23

 

I'm OK with this, the Bills have a lot to prove. I'm hopeful but can't say for sure that they are currently better than any team ahead of them on the list. 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

ok.  you're sounding foolish now.  show me once where the bolded happen.  one time.  it doesn't.  you on the other hand...someone makes a simple comment about another team/player, and i can literally count you to come in a seconds to tell them why they're not allowed to have that opinion.  

 

when someone complains about not getting media attention, (and i agree it's wildly stupid), you're the first one to come in an repeat the same tire nonsense.  we get it.  you're a former homer and now a "realist".  you complain you're attacked for your opinion, only to do the same to others.  you calling anyone sensitive is pretty laughable.

You literally reply to even post that I make about another team.  You’re sensitive.  It’s ok.  I want the Bills to be good too.  They are 6-10 with an up and down qb.  When they are good, they will be given a ton of credit and I will be very happy.  

 

But dont be so sensitive. ?

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...LMAO...for how many years has Brady's "six foot hole" been shovel ready?....Pats are like that keepsake 'ol "John Cameron Swayze Timex" in your top drawer from the old man...SOB's just "keep on tickin' "............

I don’t get that reference haha.  

 

I do agree at some one point Brady will fall out.  It will just be the same people predicting it every year and then when he sucks at 50, they will be like I told you so!!!

[teef]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You literally reply to even post that I make about another team.  You’re sensitive.  It’s ok.  I want the Bills to be good too.  They are 6-10 with an up and down qb.  When they are good, they will be given a ton of credit and I will be very happy.  

 

But dont be so sensitive. ?

can you show me?  i bet you can't because it never happens.  to be honest, i usually read your posts and think wow...again?  he's actually going over this again?  why does it bother you so much that someone may actually have a negative opinion of another team?  do you not think it's allowed because we're bills fans?  

 

i get it.  you're calling me sensitive because i called you sensitive.  you need to work on you biscuit.  i think you can do better.  

Edited September 3, 2019 by teef

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You literally reply to even post that I make about another team.  You’re sensitive.  It’s ok.  I want the Bills to be good too.  They are 6-10 with an up and down qb.  When they are good, they will be given a ton of credit and I will be very happy.  

 

But dont be so sensitive. ?

I don’t get that reference haha.  

 

I do agree at some one point Brady will fall out.  It will just be the same people predicting it every year and then when he sucks at 50, they will be like I told you so!!!

....seriously?...how many years now have they been penciled in as TOAST?...

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....seriously?...how many years now have they been penciled in as TOAST?...

Every time they lose a game.  The dynasty is over!!!

 

its like Mike Myers or Jason.  You think they are dead and they are making another movie.  Personally, if I was Brady, I would have retired last year.  I don’t get what he has left to prove. 

[CodeMonkey]

55 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

 

The O Line is 100x better.  We have one of the best centers in the NFL now. 

Out all summer on concussion protocol, his 4th documented one in the NFL.  Second round draft pick a few years back.  IR late season 2017 for a apparently recurring foot issue.

To make that statement your crystal ball gets better reception than mine

[John from Riverside]

Im fine with it

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

this thread...

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

i'd say the Bears and Ravens are way over ranked.

 

Some of the rankings are based on a fantasy value which mucks (with an F) them up.  

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, aristocrat said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001046132/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-1-chargers-in-top10-colts-plummet?campaign=tw-nf-sf218634455-sf218634455&sf218634455=1

 

pats 1

 

jets 22

bills 23

 

Bills 1, screw pats !!

 

Jets arent better than us in that they just got new coaches and systems, which takes time to be great at. Plus their front office is usually in turmoil so that will be their undoing over time.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Where should the team that won the SB be ranked?  You would be losing your mind about the national media disrespecting us if the Bills weren’t number 1 after winning the SB (I would be dead of heart attack).

 

guess what?  The odds say the Pats will win the SB and are still the best team.  They will be until they aren’t.  So why put someone else ahead of them?

 

Well the odds are WRONG. Any other franchise with the laundry list of missing and injured players the Patriots have would not make the top ten, much less number one, defending champs or not.

 

And please note I'm not complaining about the Bills rank. That is about right.

Edited September 3, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[Forward Progress]

4 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

Yeah I can see where you are coming from.  I just didn't see anything in preseason that leads me to declare the O-Line is markedly better.  That, IMO. will decide this season for the Bills one way or the other.  Well that and Allen taking a nice big step up

 

I can’t argue with that. The two biggest improvements that we are counting on are Josh’s progression and a better o-line for both pass protection and the run game.  

 

There is reason to expect all of these improvements - can’t wait to see it on the field. 

[C.Biscuit97]

5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Well the odds are WRONG. Any other franchise with the laundry list of missing and injured players the Patriots have would not make the top ten, much less number one, defending champs or not.

 

And please note I'm not complaining about the Bills rank. That is about right.

PTR, everyone says this every year!!!  They get the benefit of doubt because they are best franchise in pro sports.  I hate them but it is absolutely amazing what they have done and they deserve to be number 1 until they are unseated. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

PTR, everyone says this every year!!!  They get the benefit of doubt because they are best franchise in pro sports.  I hate them but it is absolutely amazing what they have done and they deserve to be number 1 until they are unseated. 

 

Yes they are amazing, but do you not see how stupid it is to have a power rating based strictly on reputation? These "experts" are supposed to rate the team as it stands right at this moment, not based on what they did the past 20 years. They may win another Super Bowl but right now, based on their recent injuries, suspensions, age and roster losses, they don't deserve to be rated #1. The Chiefs have an argument for #1. The Rams too. Crap, the Browns even do. Not the Pats.

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Every time they lose a game.  The dynasty is over!!!

 

its like Mike Myers or Jason.  You think they are dead and they are making another movie.  Personally, if I was Brady, I would have retired last year.  I don’t get what he has left to prove. 

One more to go.

 

 

[Mango]

13 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

Very respectfully, Bangarang, it is not.  Additionally, I am tired of all the "well, they'll get respect when they win" BS.  This is an analysis of the teams and where they are at right now.

 

Therefore, I absolutely can't buy any reasonable person looking at this team and saying, "yep, they'll finish one spot worse than last year...that's the way it looks now."

 

"Well, the Jets have Darnold and he improved, plus they got Bell so..."

 

Why do the jets get to move up because of year 2 Darnold and Bell and we don't get any improvement with year 2 Allen, and the multiple moves we've made?!

 

Its BS that they don't acknowledge Allen's improvement. 

 

Wasn't he 200 yards per game when he got back from injury?  Wasn't he the 2nd highest rated QB (well, maybe fantasy wise, but still) in the last six weeks of the season?  Didn't they go 4-2 down that stretch? Aren't the 2 QBs remaining on this team after last year's debacle 6-5 in games they started and finished?  Didn't the League's number 2 defense only lose 1 player and replace him with a top 10 pick?  Didn't they change 9 positions on offense with guys who are, to say the least, to a man better than the guys they replaced, and therefore, making Allen better?

 

Do they really mean to tell us that overall this team is only a couple games better than the 4-2 stretch that they put up during the last six games of the season?

 

Really?...REALLY?!

 

It is wrong.

 

Until Allen proves he is a consistent passer (not a runner) in this league, our ranking won’t change (nor should it IMO). He had a strong stretch to finish the year.

 

Allen is currently in a “what if” year. If he improves we will be much better. As much as he played better down the stretch, we also only beat a bad Jets team twice, split a bad dolphins team, beat a bad Lions team, and beat a bad Jax team. He was also at the helm for some pretty bad blow outs. Like putting up ZERO points against GB. 

 

I think our defense is a bit over rated. I’d probably put them last year around the 8-12 mark. Definitely not 2. We can’t tout Allen’s  ability and our highly ranked defense with the amount of absolute blow outs we hadn’t last year. Also our RZ sucked on both sides. Something has to give here. 

 

Our O-line is upgraded with Mitch Morse (concussions) and tier two linemen. OL can be funny. That could be enough to make it a very good unit, but could also still be bottom half. John Brown isn’t scarring many people as anything other than fast right now. 

 

The have the the Bills at 7-8 wins right now. I’d peg them right around 20 with what our known commodities are and unanswered question marks. 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Yes they are amazing, but do you not see how stupid it is to have a power rating based strictly on reputation? These "experts" are supposed to rate the team as it stands right at this moment, not based on what they did the past 20 years. They may win another Super Bowl but right now, based on their recent injuries, suspensions, age and roster losses, they don't deserve to be rated #1. The Chiefs have an argument for #1. The Rams too. Crap, the Browns even do. Not the Pats.

 

They did rank them as they stand right now. There is no better tandem in the NFL than Tom and Bill. I hate it, but it’s the truth. BB proved last year he can make it work when he doesn’t have the tools. Until that pairing changes or shows a major decline, you can’t move them in a preseason ranking. 

[LSHMEAB]

9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So both of those teams making the playoffs don’t matter?  Allen who had a worse completion % than Jackson can improve but Lamar can’t?

 

i don’t know why people care at all.  But until the Bills show different, they are a 6-10 football team with a qb who has a lot to improve on.  Hopefully, they do. 

Jackson plays the position unlike anyone out there, so he gets zero respect here. I think he's got enough moxy and throws well enough on the run to be an effective QB. You've also got to factor in Roman, who's a wizard with the run game and has had a ton of success with mobile QB's. The Ravens are not going to be an easy out for anyone.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, Mango said:

 

They did rank them as they stand right now. There is no better tandem in the NFL than Tom and Bill. I hate it, but it’s the truth. BB proved last year he can make it work when he doesn’t have the tools. Until that pairing changes or shows a major decline, you can’t move them in a preseason ranking. 

 

Sorry. Football is still an 22-man game. Having the best QB and coach matters a lot but if the other 21 players can't play, you have nothing. And it's funny to me how everyone forgets the whispers of how that tandem really win games. People need their heroes, I guess.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Oh god.

 

Have you been paying attention the past, I don't know, 10 years or so? 

 

This has been the story every offseason for them and yet the beat goes on..... until it doesn't, they are still the Patriots. 

 

You know the Patriots have their own fan boards.

[Kirby Jackson]

I figured that it would probably work best if we created a template that can just be copied and pasted each week:

 

”I can’t believe that (insert website) has the Bills ranked (insert Bills ranking)!! That is so disrespectful!! Why does the national media hate us?!? The Bills should be ranked (insert at least 10 spots higher). How in the hell is (insert team that you think is overrated) above the Bills?!? This is such a damn joke!! This is why no one pays attention to (insert above website again) anymore.”

[The Frankish Reich]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-nfl-predictions/

 

This strikes me as the best of the various power rankings. Bills: 8-8. They add "QB rankings" this year, and our Josh fares pretty well.  8-8 amounts to a reasonable (about 30%) chance of making the playoffs!

[Wayne Arnold]

21 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

Very respectfully, Bangarang, it is not.  Additionally, I am tired of all the "well, they'll get respect when they win" BS.  This is an analysis of the teams and where they are at right now.

 

Therefore, I absolutely can't buy any reasonable person looking at this team and saying, "yep, they'll finish one spot worse than last year...that's the way it looks now."

 

"Well, the Jets have Darnold and he improved, plus they got Bell so..."

 

Why do the jets get to move up because of year 2 Darnold and Bell and we don't get any improvement with year 2 Allen, and the multiple moves we've made?!

 

Its BS that they don't acknowledge Allen's improvement. 

 

Wasn't he 200 yards per game when he got back from injury?  Wasn't he the 2nd highest rated QB (well, maybe fantasy wise, but still) in the last six weeks of the season?  Didn't they go 4-2 down that stretch? Aren't the 2 QBs remaining on this team after last year's debacle 6-5 in games they started and finished?  Didn't the League's number 2 defense only lose 1 player and replace him with a top 10 pick?  Didn't they change 9 positions on offense with guys who are, to say the least, to a man better than the guys they replaced, and therefore, making Allen better?

 

Do they really mean to tell us that overall this team is only a couple games better than the 4-2 stretch that they put up during the last six games of the season?

 

Really?...REALLY?!

 

It is wrong.

 

Only Josh Rosen had a worse Adjusted Net Yards per Pass Attempt than Allen (4.37) last year. Anything under 5 in that stat is horrendous and usually results in that quarterback never getting the opportunity to start for an NFL team again.

 

And despite records, Bills weren't any better than the Jets in 2018. Jets' final DVOA was #25. Bills were ranked #28. 

 

Hence, those rankings are fair.

[dollars 2 donuts]

16 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Only Josh Rosen had a worse Adjusted Net Yards per Pass Attempt than Allen (4.37) last year. Anything under 5 in that stat is horrendous and usually results in that quarterback never getting the opportunity to start for an NFL team again.

 

And despite records, Bills weren't any better than the Jets in 2018. Jets' final DVOA was #25. Bills were ranked #28. 

 

Hence, those rankings are fair.

 

 

Thumbs up, Wayne, bu it does:

 

1.  Ignore the way they finished,

2.  Discounts the moves that they made.

 

I absolutely can't reasonably look at Allen and say, "Man, he finished strong, but forget about all that and focus on the very first starts he ever made in the NFL behind one of the worst lines in the sport with the "un-assistance" of simply terrible receivers that I wouldn't wish on Hitler."

 

Not fair when around the league, including the Jets, it's, "...man they got so and so and look out because it means good things, yada, yada, yada..."

 

EDIT:  I honestly may be wrong, but I believe two of our Starters on the O-line from last year aren't even on NFL rosters right now.

 

Cole Beasely makes this team better...if you are only generally aware of the nFL as a reporter you know that given our talent from last year.

 

John Brown makes this team better for the same reason.

 

Mitch Morris makes this team better

 

Cody Ford makes this team better

 

If everything and everybody else is a wash on this offense they've improved quite a bit right there.  It's not just changing players and lets see...NFL PEOPLE KNOW THESE GUYS ARE AN IMPROVEMENT.  

Edited September 4, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Thumbs up, Wayne, bu it does:

 

1.  Ignore the way they finished,

2.  Discounts the moves that they made.

 

I absolutely can't reasonably look at Allen and say, "Man, he finished strong, but forget about all that and focus on the very first starts he ever made in the NFL behind one of the worst lines in the sport with the "un-assistance" of simply terrible receivers that I wouldn't wish on Hitler."

 

Not fair when around the league, including the Jets, it's, "...man they got so and so and look out because it means good things, yada, yada, yada..."

There’s truth in what you said.  It’s also the Fins games that showed the improvement.  He wasn’t that great against the other teams. 

46 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You know the Patriots have their own fan boards.

Come on PTR.  You’re a Pats fans if you point out they are really, really good?

7 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Jackson plays the position unlike anyone out there, so he gets zero respect here. I think he's got enough moxy and throws well enough on the run to be an effective QB. You've also got to factor in Roman, who's a wizard with the run game and has had a ton of success with mobile QB's. The Ravens are not going to be an easy out for anyone.

Good post.  I mean I guess I get why people don’t like Jackson.  But we are in a glass house with our own qb.  Jackson was a dominant college player and Roman has had some good success with Mobile qbs.  I think Jackson is in a good system to achieve success.  We will see.

[Beane/Allen]

22 hours ago, wppete said:

Haters gonna hate. 

So who is hating exactly? 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Sorry. Football is still an 22-man game. Having the best QB and coach matters a lot but if the other 21 players can't play, you have nothing. And it's funny to me how everyone forgets the whispers of how that tandem really win games. People need their heroes, I guess.

 

How do they really win games?

[PromoTheRobot]

30 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

How do they really win games?

 

Ask Tom Brady's smashed phone.

45 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

Come on PTR.  You’re a Pats fans if you point out they are really, really good?

 

 

...and runs to their defense anytime someone questions that greatness? Hey, if it quacks...