Ravens having trouble selling tickets to opener

[That's No Moon]

11 hours ago, Mc1320 said:

That would never happen in Buffalo with a playoff berth on the line.

I will take this opportunity to remind you that the Bills/Oilers comeback Game was not sold out and not televised locally.  It was a playoff game.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, bigK14094 said:

Last time I was there a decade ago, it was M&T stadium I think.  Still that name?  

yep, M&T Bank Stadium!

[GG]

24 minutes ago, boater said:

Contrast that to New Era. That's what makes the partially sunken New Era such an architectural masterpiece. The hike to the upper decks is negligible. The hike from any seats to concessions is minimal.

 

Battle of priorities for NFL franchises - do you provide ease of entry/exit or have more space for concessions/merch for the premium seats?   New Era concourses for the lower bowl are substandard relative to other NFL stadiums.   To build that concession space when the lower bowl is underground would add much more in construction costs.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

.....but, but according to John (wearing Jim's glasses)......

John Harbaugh: Ravens’ offense will be unlike any we’ve seen in the NFL

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 29, 2019, 10:52 AM EDT

 

Ravens coach John Harbaugh thinks a full year of preparing quarterback Lamar Jackson to do his thing will result in a whole new world of offensive football.

Told on NFL Network that his predecessor as Ravens coach, Brian Billick, expects the Ravens’ offense to look unlike any ever seen before in the NFL, Harbaugh said Billick is right.

 

“I would kind of agree with that, I really do,” Harbaugh said.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/29/john-harbaugh-ravens-offense-will-be-unlike-any-weve-seen-in-the-nfl/#comments

 

Edited July 29, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

John Harbaugh: Ravens’ offense will be unlike any we’ve seen in the NFL

 

Other than a total disaster?  

asking for a friend 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Maybe they shouldn’t have went with a RB playing QB. 

Devil’s advocate: Allen played similarly and Jackson played on a playoff team.  I do think Allen looks more of natural qb but without his rushing, his season would have been pretty awful.  Both guys need to become much better passers.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Devil’s advocate: Allen played similarly and Jackson played on a playoff team.  I do think Allen looks more of natural qb but without his rushing, his season would have been pretty awful.  Both guys need to become much better passers.

Allen ran out of necessity (not designed run) 

 

Jackson ran because that was his game plan. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

Allen ran out of necessity (not designed run) 

 

Jackson ran because that was his game plan. 

I generally agree but 52%, 10 tds, 14 ints, 173 passing yards/ game, and a 67.9 QBs rating doesn’t scream great passer.  Hopefully with better protection and receivers, this will improve.  I do think some fans live in glasses houses.  

 

I do think the real interesting thing will be how both of these guys are coached against.  I imagine they will both get spies, take contain pass rushes, and be forced to take shorter stuff.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I generally agree but 52%, 10 tds, 14 ints, 173 passing yards/ game, and a 67.9 QBs rating doesn’t scream great passer.  Hopefully with better protection and receivers, this will improve.  I do think some fans live in glasses houses.  

 

I do think the real interesting thing will be how both of these guys are coached against.  I imagine they will both get spies, take contain pass rushes, and be forced to take shorter stuff.  

 

Brown and Beasley should make Josh's completion %  at minimum 10 points 

[Augie]

13 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I've been to 3 games in their stadium.  The 1st time I was in the upper deck, the last 2 times I got seats in the lowest level because getting to the upper deck in that stadium is the worst hike I've ever had in any stadium.  I remember seeing an older overweight woman on the stairs to the upper deck and I thought she was going to die trying to get up the stairs.  It's no surprise that they're having trouble unloading those upper deck seats.  

 

This reminds me of a trip we took in the NC mountains. There was a trail we paid to take around a mountain with some great views. I was younger and in pretty good shape, but it was challenging. About 90% of the trail behind us, we come upon an older couple who were seriously overweight. They were exhausted....and they had a problem. The trail lead between the mountain and a giant boulder creating what was in effect a small doorway. There was NO WAY around it, and they didn’t fit through the opening. They were going to have to go ALL THE WAY back. 

 

I still wonder if they made it! It is inexcusable that there wasn’t some sort of size test/warning before you began that hike! At the very least, it should have been one way (the other way!) so you got to the “test” before you were completely exhausted and didn’t have the long route back. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Thanks Obama

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

15 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Bingo!

 

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Devil’s advocate: Allen played similarly and Jackson played on a playoff team.  I do think Allen looks more of natural qb but without his rushing, his season would have been pretty awful.  Both guys need to become much better passers.

 

One was based on Pressure the other was designed in the gameplan, hell Jackson admitted as much

[Buffalo03]

16 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Anytime your ‘buy tickets’ banner has a photo of the kicker...

Looks like Russ Brandon is in the marketing dept

[Ned Flanders]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

I will take this opportunity to remind you that the Bills/Oilers comeback Game was not sold out and not televised locally.  It was a playoff game.

I would also like to take the opportunity for folks to take a gander at Ticketmaster and the relatively surprising number of tickets that are still available for the Bills home opener...

 

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/event/0000566BD82F7534?dma_id=409&brand=bills&artistid=805905&landing=s&camefrom=CFC_BILLS_BBC_PIP

[bbb]

17 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Too many ticket speculators in the past.

 

 

 

What the hell does this mean:

PSL's are peeling off like shingles on a hot day.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

What the hell does this mean:

PSL's are peeling off like shingles on a hot day.

 

I took it as - PSL's  are dropping day by day  ??? 

What else is weird ... 

 

 71,008 is the seating capacity at M&T Bank Stadium

 

70k tickets were held by about 20-25k 'accounts'.

 

Sooo   that is indicating that  20-25k 'accounts' purchase 99.74 % of the tickets 

[That's No Moon]

15 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

What the hell does this mean:

PSL's are peeling off like shingles on a hot day.

I took it as people with PSLs are dropping their tickets, or perhaps their extra tickets.  

[bbb]

4 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I took it as people with PSLs are dropping their tickets, or perhaps their extra tickets.  

 

And, then they just eat the cost of the PSLs they bought?  

[4_kidd_4]

The “at home experience” gets better every year, and the attention span of the younger generations gets shorter and shorter. I think this factors in to overall ticket sales.

 

The good thing for the NFL is there’s only 8 reg season home games to sell. I think MLB will be affected the most in the long run, too many games and a relatively slow moving sport.

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

And, then they just eat the cost of the PSLs they bought?  

Yup

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, 4_kidd_4 said:

The “at home experience” gets better every year, and the attention span of the younger generations gets shorter and shorter. I think this factors in to overall ticket sales.

 

The good thing for the NFL is there’s only 8 reg season home games to sell. I think MLB will be affected the most in the long run, too many games and a relatively slow moving sport.

Honestly, I’d rather just tailgate and watch the game at a bar or at home.  You get overcharged for beer and food in the stadium, have to wait in lines for everything, and then it takes hours to get home.  And normally, everyone is pissed off because the Bills lost.  I think this will be a huge issue for the nfl going forward.  

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honestly, I’d rather just tailgate and watch the game at a bar or at home.  You get overcharged for beer and food in the stadium, have to wait in lines for everything, and then it takes hours to get home.  And normally, everyone is pissed off because the Bills lost.  I think this will be a huge issue for the nfl going forward.  

I haven't been to a game in several years.  My son plays hockey and every weekend is booked with games on Saturday and Sunday.  I try to finagle a trip to Penn State to catch a hockey game at least once a year.  We might be able to catch a PSU football game early in the year because my son broke his arm and will be in a cast until Labor Day but the NFL, in it's wisdom, doesn't start until the weekend after that.

[/dev/null]

Just now, 4_kidd_4 said:

The “at home experience” gets better every year, and the attention span of the younger generations gets shorter and shorter. I think this factors in to overall ticket sales.

 

Especially in places like Baltimore where leaving home exponentially increases one's chance of being murdered on the street

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 And normally, everyone is pissed off because the Bills lost.  I think this will be a huge issue for the nfl going forward.

 

one way or another "half" the crowd will be pissed their team lost  

9 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Especially in places like Baltimore where leaving home exponentially increases one's chance of being murdered on the street

 

I've been to the waterfront (harbor) where both the stadiums are and Its not really that bad.     Wander away a few miles and that can be very different.  

 

Game time there are plenty of people around and a security presence 

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I generally agree but 52%, 10 tds, 14 ints, 173 passing yards/ game, and a 67.9 QBs rating doesn’t scream great passer.  Hopefully with better protection and receivers, this will improve.  I do think some fans live in glasses houses.  

 

I do think the real interesting thing will be how both of these guys are coached against.  I imagine they will both get spies, take contain pass rushes, and be forced to take shorter stuff.  

QB stats are as worthless as used toilet paper.  My house is brick.  

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I generally agree but 52%, 10 tds, 14 ints, 173 passing yards/ game, and a 67.9 QBs rating doesn’t scream great passer.  Hopefully with better protection and receivers, this will improve.  I do think some fans live in glasses houses.  

 

I do think the real interesting thing will be how both of these guys are coached against.  I imagine they will both get spies, take contain pass rushes, and be forced to take shorter stuff.  

Yeah I get your point but after injury Allen avg 207 yards per, 79 yards rushing (286 total) 13 Total TDs to 7 INTs and 4 fumbles (1 lost) in six games

 

Jackson in his 7 starts: 159 yards passing, 79 rushing (238 total) 9 Total TDs (5 passing) and 3 INTS. He also had 10 fumbles (4 lost) and at least one every game (7 games)

 

So 50 yards extra per game and 4 TDs difference. Turnovers are 1 different and rushing stats is a wash. Allen had 4 more total TDs in one less game.

 

One guy had John Brown, Michael Crabtree and  Hayden Hurst and one of the best offensive lines in football. The other had Zay Jones, Robert Foster, Charles Clay and one of the worst lines in football

26 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

The “at home experience” gets better every year, and the attention span of the younger generations gets shorter and shorter. I think this factors in to overall ticket sales.

 

The good thing for the NFL is there’s only 8 reg season home games to sell. I think MLB will be affected the most in the long run, too many games and a relatively slow moving sport.

As part of the "younger generation" this is not a reason why fans arent going to games.

 

Its goddamn expensive. Plain and simple

29 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

And, then they just eat the cost of the PSLs they bought?  

Dont throw good money after bad

 

If PSLs were a thing to have seasons in Buffalo, I would be done

[4_kidd_4]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

As part of the "younger generation" this is not a reason why fans arent going to games.

 

Its goddamn expensive. Plain and simple.

 

Sure, cost comes into play, especially when the twenty-somethings can’t afford to buy a house or start a family. Football tix take a backseat.

 

But the attention span comes into play too. Mine certainly is an issue sometimes, but that’s because between TV timeouts, replay timeouts etc the league/officiating  drags these games out sometimes to the point of unwatchable. No flow.

 

 

[Misterbluesky]

3 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:

I would also like to take the opportunity for folks to take a gander at Ticketmaster and the relatively surprising number of tickets that are still available for the Bills home opener...

 

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/event/0000566BD82F7534?dma_id=409&brand=bills&artistid=805905&landing=s&camefrom=CFC_BILLS_BBC_PIP

Not one game is close to a sell out,not sure why.

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Devil’s advocate: Allen played similarly and Jackson played on a playoff team.  I do think Allen looks more of natural qb but without his rushing, his season would have been pretty awful.  Both guys need to become much better passers.

So you admit you are being paid by Bellicheat.

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, RiotAct said:

yep, M&T Bank Stadium!

Yes M&T Bank based in Buffalo.  Sort of been hoping that M&T Bank gets in dispute with Ravens and no longer wants their name (or money) attached to stadium and goes home.  I have multiple accounts at M&T Bank in Virginia and every bank officer I have worked with is from WNY area.

[RiotAct]

24 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Yes M&T Bank based in Buffalo.  Sort of been hoping that M&T Bank gets in dispute with Ravens and no longer wants their name (or money) attached to stadium and goes home.  I have multiple accounts at M&T Bank in Virginia and every bank officer I have worked with is from WNY area.

yeah I hear you.  M&T is making a big push to become more relevant in the Baltimore area though, as far as market share and brand recognition 

[4_kidd_4]

33 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Not one game is close to a sell out,not sure why.

 

Has the “blind faith” loyalty finally been tapped out?

 

Honest question. There’s only so much people can take before they ‘demand’ some sort of results.

 

You will always have the “die hards”, but I get the feeling even some of those types are being more careful in regards to dropping good coin on this franchise.

 

Season tix numbers are clearly down, they didn’t announce the number last year for the first time ever. I know several people/tix groups that were put off by the recent pricing changes too.

 

[RochesterRob]

15 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

Has the “blind faith” loyalty finally been tapped out?

 

Honest question. There’s only so much people can take before they ‘demand’ some sort of results.

 

You will always have the “die hards”, but I get the feeling even some of those types are being more careful in regards to dropping good coin on this franchise.

 

Season tix numbers are clearly down, they didn’t announce the number last year for the first time ever. I know several people/tix groups that were put off by the recent pricing changes too.

 

  The NFL should take note but it most likely will not.  Generations past had far fewer things to fill their free time but today the NFL is competing with a tech oriented and mobile society.  It's not realistic for fans of any team to willing wait for decades for a championship in their lifetime.  Even fans of teams like the 49'ers and Packers want their own golden era to revel in and not Great Grampa's from 1981 or 1967.  Today's Dolphins fan will not lean on the crutch of Shula and Marino.  Live by the snark of mocking others failures but now it is die by the snark as anything less than a SB is unacceptable.

[Misterbluesky]

56 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

Has the “blind faith” loyalty finally been tapped out?

 

Honest question. There’s only so much people can take before they ‘demand’ some sort of results.

 

You will always have the “die hards”, but I get the feeling even some of those types are being more careful in regards to dropping good coin on this franchise.

 

Season tix numbers are clearly down, they didn’t announce the number last year for the first time ever. I know several people/tix groups that were put off by the recent pricing changes too.

 

Truth is..the population keeps decreasing here ,and it has aged.

They young people left and keep leaving, especially over the course of the past 20 years.

Outside of a miracle...we won't see a new stadium..most locals already know that.

 

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

I will take this opportunity to remind you that the Bills/Oilers comeback Game was not sold out and not televised locally.  It was a playoff game.

and nearly everyone who was there left miserable

 not me though ; )

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I generally agree but 52%, 10 tds, 14 ints, 173 passing yards/ game, and a 67.9 QBs rating doesn’t scream great passer.  Hopefully with better protection and receivers, this will improve.  I do think some fans live in glasses houses.  

 

I do think the real interesting thing will be how both of these guys are coached against.  I imagine they will both get spies, take contain pass rushes, and be forced to take shorter stuff.  

ala how to beat Tyrod ?

[PromoTheRobot]

Seriously, with this Bills team finally trending up and finally looking decent, ticket sales are the worst I can recall this century. Something ain't right.

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Seriously, with this Bills team finally trending up and finally looking decent, ticket sales are the worst I can recall this century. Something ain't right.

 

Possible reasons:

• Because they fired the marketer? 
• Because they tried to force ticket buyers to use electronic ticketing which hurt ability to resell?
• New scaled pricing plan to try to keep more of the money themselves?
• Professional ticket scalpers' Ponzi scheme failed?
• Lack of Kyle?

[PromoTheRobot]

7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Possible reasons:

• Because they fired the marketer? - Are you Russ Brandon?
• Because they tried to force ticket buyers to use electronic ticketing which hurt ability to resell? - It's 2019, Bro.
• New scaled pricing plan to try to keep more of the money themselves? - Please explain how they "keep more money" if prices are essentially the same?
• Professional ticket scalpers' Ponzi scheme failed? - The secondary market was always strong in other years, so what's different now?
• Lack of Kyle? - So finding a franchise QB doesn't make up for losing a beloved DT?