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Jets start TC today, Quinnen Williams not reporting ( update - signed)

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15 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Usually at this point, Lenny and Squiggy would walk in...

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18 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

The problem is there are offsets and cash flow to negotiate and teams dont want to set precedents that every draft pick afterwards will try and follow and agents will try to use the "but you did it for him, why not us?" argument.

 

 

 

As I said: if you like a player enough to take him 3rd overall, you better not be worried about if recovering bonus money against the cap if you cut him in 2 years.

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16 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I mean, I doubt you say the same about white dudes, generally. I’m not pretending you are the devil for it but I think it’s probably rooted in prejudice even if unintentional. 

 

We’d all be better off with “ugh, yea I probably stepped in it there” and moving on instead of the extreme “I could never be racist” vs “im going to ruin your life for an offhand and pretty innocuous comment” approach that’s so common these days 

 

It honestly wasn't my intention to bring race into this, but yeah, some people are super sensitive these days. I'll be the first to admit I'm not the poster child for being PC, but race had nothing to do with my comment. I made a similar comment about Johnny Manziel and how is he gonna afford his new grillz since he squandered his NFL career. To each his own.

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20 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

As I said: if you like a player enough to take him 3rd overall, you better not be worried about if recovering bonus money against the cap if you cut him in 2 years.

In the same vein, a player good enough to be drafted 3rd overall shouldn't be worried about getting cut after the 2nd season. The agent argues your point while the team argues the above.

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2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Lighten up and have a sense of humor. The world is overly PC already and becoming more so every day due to weak mindedness. That sort of mind rot doesn’t need to permeate this board. 

I agree we are becoming too PC.  I also agree that racist dudes love to hide behind “things are becoming too PC.”  Sad fact is WNY has a lot of racist losers.  And some of them are Bills fans. 

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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I agree we are becoming too PC.  I also agree that racist dudes love to hide behind “things are becoming too PC.”  Sad fact is WNY has a lot of racist losers.  And some of them are Bills fans. 

Maybe some do, but I feel even that is far overblown. The vast majority of us in WNY are not racists, and fortunately most Bills fans aren’t either. Some folks just need to lighten up a bit. 

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29 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Maybe some do, but I feel even that is far overblown. The vast majority of us in WNY are not racists, and fortunately most Bills fans aren’t either. Some folks just need to lighten up a bit. 

 

Agree 100%.  I think people are quick to yell "racist!" when in fact, it was not.  It's usually an easy card to play unfortunately.  I think we all need to lighten up; seems these days everyone is looking for a battle.

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On 7/19/2019 at 1:32 PM, Bubba Gump said:

He needs all the money he can get so he can afford some new grillz

That's not a cool thing to say. From my understanding Quinnen is a heck of a kid, if anything I'd be weary of Gase. Holy moly what is that guy doing in New York? Bizarre. I almost feel bad for the players almost. ;)

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1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

In the same vein, a player good enough to be drafted 3rd overall shouldn't be worried about getting cut after the 2nd season. The agent argues your point while the team argues the above.

 

Yes, but when the guy at 4 gets it, who is being unreasonable?

 

should he also accept a fully incentive based contract instead of the guaranteed dollars everyone around him gets?

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19 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Holy moly what is that guy doing in New York? Bizarre.

Keeping an eye on things?...

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1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

Yes, but when the guy at 4 gets it, who is being unreasonable?

 

should he also accept a fully incentive based contract instead of the guaranteed dollars everyone around him gets?

And there is the reason for the stalemate...one team doesn't want to set a precedent while other teams don't care.

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1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

Yes, but when the guy at 4 gets it, who is being unreasonable?

 

should he also accept a fully incentive based contract instead of the guaranteed dollars everyone around him gets?

 

Josh Allen (the DE for JAX) was selected 7th and has a fully guaranteed no offset contract.

NYJ just doing "Jetsy" things as usual.

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4 hours ago, matter2003 said:

In the same vein, a player good enough to be drafted 3rd overall shouldn't be worried about getting cut after the 2nd season. The agent argues your point while the team argues the above.

 

Except that the team chose him; he didn't draft himself.

 

Why take him that early if they had any doubts about him being a franchise cornerstone?

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28 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

And there is the reason for the stalemate...one team doesn't want to set a precedent while other teams don't care.

 

Not arguing with you on this so much as pointing out the asinine nature of the jets position in mentioning how thoroughly set the precedent is... has any top 5 guy not gotten this deal?

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Except that the team chose him; he didn't draft himself.

 

Why take him that early if they had any doubts about him being a franchise cornerstone?

If they are unwilling to sign the standard format contract for that pick, one might suggest trading back, right?

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14 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Not arguing with you on this so much as pointing out the asinine nature of the jets position in mentioning how thoroughly set the precedent is... has any top 5 guy not gotten this deal?

If they are unwilling to sign the standard format contract for that pick, one might suggest trading back, right?

 

Exactly.

 

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3 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

That's not a cool thing to say. From my understanding Quinnen is a heck of a kid, if anything I'd be weary of Gase. Holy moly what is that guy doing in New York? Bizarre. I almost feel bad for the players almost. ;)

 

I'm sure he is, but you need to understand, I'm a Bills AND Clemson fan so it's personal 😏

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Just now, Bubba Gump said:

 

I'm sure he is, but you need to understand, I'm a Bills AND Clemson fan 😁

No doubt. I know how da struggle be, dawg.

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4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Except that the team chose him; he didn't draft himself.

 

Why take him that early if they had any doubts about him being a franchise cornerstone?

 

Because there are players who are drafted, do not make best effort for team maybe never wanting to go there and pushed to be released so they can double dip.

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Williams Will eventually report. Darnold pulled this last year. 

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12 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

Williams Will eventually report. Darnold pulled this last year. 

Did Darnold end up getting the offset language removed? He was drafted at the exact same spot as I recall.

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If I remember right, the Jets were able to keep it in. There were several provisions. Need to look it up.

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10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Did Darnold end up getting the offset language removed? He was drafted at the exact same spot as I recall.

 

Jets got it in there. 3 practice holdout. But they did get language to void deal if he is suspended. 

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16 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Jets got it in there. 3 practice holdout. But they did get language to void deal if he is suspended. 

Ah yes and I remember some sort of language about him not being able to ski or something. But that was a different FO too.

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3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ah yes and I remember some sort of language about him not being able to ski or something. But that was a different FO too.

 

Baker didn’t get it either so no big deal. 

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