BeginnersMind Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Going through the college process right now and it's astonishing how different it is in many ways. The question on everyone's lips is "Are you a first generation college student?" Because if you are, boy do colleges want you! Add this news, that the SATs are adding something called an Adversity Score this year. (The ACTs have one coming, so no worries: All the tests will have it soon.) It will take into account the following factors to give a weighted score for admissions offices: I couple the above with this WaPo article (I can't read this today because I'm over the 2-per month article limit) about how colleges are struggling to keep their first generation college students in school. As I recall the article, students are struggling in spite of having a lot of support network. It turns out (shocker!) that they just weren't quite ready to be at Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 So, if they score high/low? enough do they just get handed their diploma or do they actually have to attend some classes first - you know - like Obama did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Nanker said: So, if they score high/low? enough do they just get handed their diploma or do they actually have to attend some classes first - you know - like Obama did. Not sure why you are Obama-obsessed but he was very book-learned. The schools are struggling with the unprepared applicants though. Edited May 16, 2019 by BeginnersMind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Not sure why you are Obama-obsessed but he was very book-learned. The schools are struggling with the unprepared applicants though. I heard Obama knew lots of words. Great words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Corpse man 57 States Hawaii is in Asia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 "It was then that Diana Moon Clampers, the Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Going through the college process right now and it's astonishing how different it is in many ways. The question on everyone's lips is "Are you a first generation college student?" Because if you are, boy do colleges want you! Add this news, that the SATs are adding something called an Adversity Score this year. (The ACTs have one coming, so no worries: All the tests will have it soon.) It will take into account the following factors to give a weighted score for admissions offices: I couple the above with this WaPo article (I can't read this today because I'm over the 2-per month article limit) about how colleges are struggling to keep their first generation college students in school. As I recall the article, students are struggling in spite of having a lot of support network. It turns out (shocker!) that they just weren't quite ready to be at Harvard. Free lunch rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Yet this is the face of Harvard adversity: ad·ver·si·ty /ədˈvərsədē/ noun difficulties; misfortune. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 What scholarly papers, tomes, or books did this POS author? What proof - other than Michael Beschloss’s bizarre proclamation that “he’s quite possibly the most intelligent President we’ve ever had.” The jug-eared stuttering doofus was constantly tongue tied when he was without a TelePrompter. He’s a vacuous self-aggrandizing fool with delusions of grandeur. I used to call him Pitney Swope, but he’s really more a mix of that and Chauncey Gardner. Now were here finding out - to little surprise- that he’s been selling out the country on the scales of the Clintonista regime. ***** them all. I’m tired of this *****. And I’m tired of playing nice. Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Umm, yeah. Transfer to a Compton HS for graduation... This is my new company's purpose. To relocate HS seniors to the ghettos of LA for graduation. Haha. Wtf is going on with the world? This sex strike since aborion laws started kicking back the infanticide laws is crazy, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) Edited May 17, 2019 by unbillievable 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 6:33 AM, BeginnersMind said: Going through the college process right now and it's astonishing how different it is in many ways. The question on everyone's lips is "Are you a first generation college student?" Because if you are, boy do colleges want you! Add this news, that the SATs are adding something called an Adversity Score this year. (The ACTs have one coming, so no worries: All the tests will have it soon.) It will take into account the following factors to give a weighted score for admissions offices: I couple the above with this WaPo article (I can't read this today because I'm over the 2-per month article limit) about how colleges are struggling to keep their first generation college students in school. As I recall the article, students are struggling in spite of having a lot of support network. It turns out (shocker!) that they just weren't quite ready to be at Harvard. i have not researched this at all yet, but have been saying for a decade race should not be used for set-asides atc in higher education, income should be. So on the surface, i like this. BTW, I pay for WAPO, but in chrome just go over to the little menu thingee, hit open an incognito window..and voila..no 2 article limit! 14 hours ago, DC Tom said: Free lunch rate? not sure if you are serious, but a huge indicator typically of a schools performance on standardized tests. More free lunches, lower incomes, more single-parent households, less parent involvement, more likely to not have college-educated parent(s), higher costs per student etc...all lead to lower test scores across the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 If a student can’t score well on a standardized test what exactly are they going to be doing in college? Until college is free (which I don’t support) this is just another recipe for DISASTER for the ‘underserved’ population. Now they’ll have wasted another six months to a year of their lives before defaulting on loans for a degree they never got. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) As an aside, who was the first to use the term "soft bigotry/racism of low expectations?" Edited May 17, 2019 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 23 hours ago, LeviF91 said: "It was then that Diana Moon Clampers, the Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun." Awesome reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Going through the college process? What is going to be your major? Did you do prom? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: If a student can’t score well on a standardized test what exactly are they going to be doing in college? Until college is free (which I don’t support) this is just another recipe for DISASTER for the ‘underserved’ population. Now they’ll have wasted another six months to a year of their lives before defaulting on loans for a degree they never got. Brilliant! because many a standardized test are a reflection of the education you have received to date, and not necessarily indicative of your capability to learn and the grades you may be able to achieve. My kids got every advantage in the world, top-flight prep school, tutors for subjects, tutors specifically for standardized tests, ability to take the test numerous times etc, ability to pay a psychiatrist to certify my sons ADD and apply for accommodations on the test($1,000) Tutors alone gained my daughter 7 points on the ACT( started at 24, ended at 31). Compare that to a kid in a single family home, no experience in the family with college, only decent meals may be at school, 1 shot at taking the test, no tutors, and less than stellar resources at the school to teach the curriculum required on the tests. Do you really think that standardized test reflects the relative ability of both groups? Edited May 17, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 8:38 AM, LeviF91 said: "It was then that Diana Moon Clampers, the Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun." I had to look this up, but this is not even close to applicable. IThis is more akin to saying in a year, we are going to have a golf match to see who the better golfer is. between two kids .One kid gets to train and practice every day for a year with a top-flight swing coach, a sports psychiatrist, and the best clubs money can buy, and oh BTW has two parents who grew up with golf. The other kid gets to practice once a week on a driving range with 30-year-old clubs with Levi as his instructor, and whos Mom has never watched one hole of golf in her life....wonder who statistically has a better chance to win that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: because many a standardized test are a reflection of the education you have received to date, and not necessarily indicative of your capability to learn and the grades you may be able to achieve. My kids got every advantage in the world, top-flight prep school, tutors for subjects, tutors specifically for standardized tests, ability to take the test numerous times etc. Tutors alone gained my daughter 7 points on the ACT( started at 24, ended at 31). Compare that to a kid in a single family home, no experience in the family with college, only decent meals may be at school, 1 shot at taking the test, no tutors, and less than stellar resources at the school to teach the curriculum required on the tests. Do you really think that standardized test reflects the relative ability of both groups? Measurement of current academic ability level? Probably not that terrible of a measurement tool. Measurement of potential academic ability level? Terrible tool. But the place to make up for lack of access to better academic education is not starting as a freshman in college accepting admissions and scholarships in place of students that have demonstrated that they are currently prepared for the challenge. This only increases the number of kids starting in college academically behind their peers and the college's academic norms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe Miner said: Measurement of current academic ability level? Probably not that terrible of a measurement tool. Measurement of potential academic ability level? Terrible tool. But the place to make up for lack of access to better academic education is not starting as a freshman in college accepting admissions and scholarships in place of students that have demonstrated that they are currently prepared for the challenge. This only increases the number of kids starting in college academically behind their peers and the college's academic norms. all good points, and am not sure of the answer. As the WAPO article noted, first generation and many minority students face challenges in college that others do not..and some are addressing those issues with innovative programs. But you are correct, when you start out behind academically, it can be a tough row to hoe to get get caught uo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, DC Tom said: Free lunch rate? Yep. NYC gives out free lunches because they figure some kids aren't getting fed at home. Oh, and NYC gives students free SAT prep classes. Does that result in a "negative" score? This whole "adversity score" thing is just another twist in the boondoggle that college admissions have become. Not really moving the needle in my estimation. I bet many schools already try to take these factors into account. Edited May 17, 2019 by snafu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I still say 50% of kids that go to college should not have gone. Cost way to much and they will never use their degree. They will have a heavy price to pay on an education that will do them no good. College has turned into nothing but a huge business. Just my 2 cents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, snafu said: Yep. NYC gives out free lunches because they figure some kids aren't getting fed at home. Oh, and NYC gives students free SAT prep classes. Does that result in a "negative" score? This whole "adversity score" thing is just another twist in the boondoggle that college admissions have become. Not really moving the needle in my estimation. I bet many schools already try to take these factors into account. The Free lunch and breakfast program is a federally funded program..for many kids, these are the best meals the will get during the week. snow days mean plenty of kids in lower-income school districts go hungry that day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: The Free lunch and breakfast program is a federally funded program..for many kids, these are the best meals the will get during the week. snow days mean plenty of kids in lower-income school districts go hungry that day. Agreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) This is ridiculous. WTF... 12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: The Free lunch and breakfast program is a federally funded program..for many kids, these are the best meals the will get during the week. snow days mean plenty of kids in lower-income school districts go hungry that day. Where? Not here... And I am around/in dirt poor districts. Fat azzes everywhere... Edited May 17, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: This is ridiculous. WTF... Where? Not here... And I am around/in dirt poor districts. Fat azzes everywhere... Crappy sources of calories are cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, BeginnersMind said: Crappy sources of calories are cheap. Agree. Fair enough. "Food deserts" exist. But people don't even try... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: This is ridiculous. WTF... Where? Not here... And I am around/in dirt poor districts. Fat azzes everywhere... https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp/national-school-lunch-program 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 a friend's child has been hilariously deemed minority status on his school documents, he is in no mood to change that... can't blame him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp/national-school-lunch-program I know it exists. 32 minutes ago, row_33 said: a friend's child has been hilariously deemed minority status on his school documents, he is in no mood to change that... can't blame him Why would they change it, they'd be fools to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I know it exists. Why would they change it, they'd be fools to. he's of a nationality that is very very serious about itself.... let's just leave it at that... so it's twice the irony.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: he's of a nationality that is very very serious about itself.... let's just leave it at that... so it's twice the irony.... Ah... Nobody will find out. There are privacy laws to hide behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Ah... Nobody will find out. There are privacy laws to hide behind. it's Canada as well... there really isn't much diff in your choice of undergrad for University across the nation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mead107 said: I still say 50% of kids that go to college should not have gone. Cost way to much and they will never use their degree. They will have a heavy price to pay on an education that will do them no good. College has turned into nothing but a huge business. Just my 2 cents. The easy accessibility of college loans has had the (maybe) unintended consequences of both burdening the non-thinking students with mountains of debt with no way of paying it back and the fattening of college coffers. I posted awhile back a story about the increase in "diversity" officers at I believe University of Michigan. They have 38 now. Think of that, in the past they had none or one or two. I see advertisements all the time from either unions or employers looking for people to learn trades such as welding, electrical and plumbing. College kids need to learn that they can get paid a so/so wage to learn a trade that might bring $40+ an hour down the road rather than graduate with a degree where they can start working at some social agency for $18,000 a year with 100k in debt. The guys with the trades will eventually be building some type of barn to hold their boats, jet skis and snowmobiles while the guy with the undergraduate degree will be trying to figure out how he is going to get his 15-year old Lumina to pass inspection. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, snafu said: Yep. NYC gives out free lunches because they figure some kids aren't getting fed at home. Oh, and NYC gives students free SAT prep classes. Does that result in a "negative" score? This whole "adversity score" thing is just another twist in the boondoggle that college admissions have become. Not really moving the needle in my estimation. I bet many schools already try to take these factors into account. SO I had to look it up because I thought the SATs were an Aptitude Test. Apparently that has changed:"originally called the Scholastic Aptitude Test, it was later called the Scholastic Assessment Test, then the SAT I: Reasoning Test, then the SAT Reasoning Test, and now, simply the SAT." So if it were an aptitude test I would say take this adversity shite out of the aptitude test and add it to the admissions standards. But since it is now The SAT (pronounced like The Ohio State) I guess they can do whatever they want since there is no definition for the the acronym. Leave it to "Higher Education" to have no definition... Edited May 17, 2019 by Uncle Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 6:33 AM, BeginnersMind said: Going through the college process right now and it's astonishing how different it is in many ways. The question on everyone's lips is "Are you a first generation college student?" Because if you are, boy do colleges want you! Add this news, that the SATs are adding something called an Adversity Score this year. (The ACTs have one coming, so no worries: All the tests will have it soon.) It will take into account the following factors to give a weighted score for admissions offices: I couple the above with this WaPo article (I can't read this today because I'm over the 2-per month article limit) about how colleges are struggling to keep their first generation college students in school. As I recall the article, students are struggling in spite of having a lot of support network. It turns out (shocker!) that they just weren't quite ready to be at Harvard. Ugh, don't get me started on this! 9 hours ago, GG said: As an aside, who was the first to use the term "soft bigotry/racism of low expectations?" The first person I heard say it was Dubya. On 5/16/2019 at 7:42 AM, Nanker said: So, if they score high/low? enough do they just get handed their diploma or do they actually have to attend some classes first - you know - like Obama did. Barry did one better than say he was a 1st gen: he said he was born in another country (Kenya, even though I don't believe he was). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: The Free lunch and breakfast program is a federally funded program..for many kids, these are the best meals the will get during the week. snow days mean plenty of kids in lower-income school districts go hungry that day. My wife works in a poor school district and watches the kids toss their free breakfast and lunch in the trash day after day. The amount of waste is horrendous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: My wife works in a poor school district and watches the kids toss their free breakfast and lunch in the trash day after day. The amount of waste is horrendous. fries and gravy are more nutritional than a sandwich and an apple or orange my janitor friends had their choice of heaps of perfectly fine food tossed away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: fries and gravy are more nutritional than a sandwich and an apple or orange my janitor friends had their choice of heaps of perfectly fine food tossed away I have no idea what any of that means...but if you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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