Perk71 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: Didn't realise there was an archives section here so I found the thread where we drafted Allen last year. Makes for an interesting read to see the initial reactions again. Any of you guys changed your minds at all now? Stand by your opinion? On the fence? https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/205086-rd1-pick-7-josh-allen-qb-wyoming/ Glad you started this thread. Interesting takes in that old thread...haha I wanted them to take Allen over Rosen all along and I am very happy they did. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I loved the pick and came to 2BD to see how many other folks loved it and got pretty depressed. Back then I was a lurker so I couldn't jump into the argument. I'm a big college football fan and watched a lot of those late night Wyoming games on espn when Allen was QBing. It was must see TV if you were a football fan and Allen's antics back then were a lot like what you're seeing with the Bills. Jaw dropping runs & passes; fiery disposition, wth was he thinking passes and skill players dropping balls all over the field. I remember one game in his last year at Wyoming where his WR's dropped 3 perfect passes in the 1st quarter alone. What impressed me was that Allen never lost his cool about it. He didn't show his receivers up. What's funny now is that I remember thinking as I watched those games that wouldn't it be cool if the Bills drafted this guy. He would be a steal in the 4th round! So yea even though we had to trade up to take him in the top 10 picks I'm glad they drafted him because IMO he is the real deal. His pre to post-injury improvements in every facet of his game give me a lot of confidence in his future. And for those concerned about Allen's accuracy, just remember it matters who you have around you. Cam Newton went from a career 59% completion average to a 68% completion average in 2018. And it asn't because he suddenly got "accurate". It was because he had a guy in the backfield named Christian McCaffrey who was worth dumping the ball off to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I was about to do a victory lap as Josh Rosen had somehow dropped to #7 as the trade of Watkins and Glenn worked beautifuly. And then........ahhhhhhhhh!!!! Allen's the same passer I expected with some amazing throws and some wtf throws. Ball placement will never be elite. However, his running ability and leadership skills is something I vastly underestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I admit i was a HUUUGE Rosen guy and hated the Allen pick, but now I can say I am All in on Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: EJ did have a higher rookie year qb rating. Just saying. Making proclamations of a star or bust after year one is pretty dumb. And this is what you do to stop feeling hurt after getting burned by another Bills qb. Did you finish your wings? @C.Biscuit97 Wings were done before the pick. I needed razor focus to will the Bills to the right selection ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I was at a bar draft party for last year’s selection meeting and facepalmed when the Bills pick was announced. At that point, with Mayfield ( my top QB) long gone my sights were set on Rosen. It was definitely disappointing at the time.In all likelihood , I was wrong on Rosen. While still not even close to sure about Allen, I saw more out of him last season than I expected to. I absolutely hope he becomes the franchise QB the Bills need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I see where I said that I liked Allen as a prospect and that he was legit IMO as a first round QB but that I had a hard time seeing why Beane would move up for him. On reflection that was a probably a dumb thing to say. A first half of the first round QB is exactly the kind of player that you move up in the draft for if you need one. I think it's pretty clear that Beane (and a few posters) knew better than most of us, but of course it's his full time job to know better. Josh Allen looked like a man amongst boys in the Mountain West. What I did not expect at all is that he would so often look like a man amongst boys on an NFL playing field, even tho he is the boy and those other guys are the men. To me that is flat out ridiculous. He continues to flash as a dominant player. Now after seeing him for the better part of a year he is at the very least confirmed as the QB in his class (and IMO it was a very strong class) with the highest ceiling and the odds have swung decidedly against him ever busting. He needs now to continue developing as a passer and he still has lots to prove but I don't think anyone can fault the GM for the decision that he made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I did. And have never hidden from it. As I say above I missed on his running ability but even taking that into account Id have only had a 2nd on him based on what he had put on film as a passer. I will never stop having opinions and mine are always honestly held after putting the work in. Doesn't mean they will always be right. I would be more than happy for Allen to be my biggest miss cos that would be good for Buffalo. ....just curious....how does missing on his running ability equate to a precipitous prognostication as a 3rd rounder?.....CERTAINLY respect your opinion, otherwise this place does NOT work as intended......what glaring and far more serious deficiencies in his game did you see versus the other 1st round projections that had him as a 3rd on your board?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....just curious....how does missing on his running ability equate to a precipitous prognostication as a 3rd rounder?.....CERTAINLY respect your opinion, otherwise this place does NOT work as intended......what glaring and far more serious deficiencies in his game did you see versus the other 1st round projections that had him as a 3rd on your board?.... So to me the fact that he is a much better runner than I anticipated raised his floor. Because it means there are chain moving scenarios (3rd and medium type plays) where all of a sudden he can make a play without requiring a tight window throw. My analysis of Allen (and all the other QBs in last year's draft) from pre draft is still available on this board but broadly the reason I liked him less is I thought he was less accurate (not completion % - accuracy) than them and made fewer of the tight window mid range throws that move the sticks and win consistently in the NFL. I think there were encouraging signs in that regard in his rookie year but there is still a lot of room for improvement. I am hopeful we might have our guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So to me the fact that he is a much better runner than I anticipated raised his floor. Because it means there are chain moving scenarios (3rd and medium type plays) where all of a sudden he can make a play without requiring a tight window throw. My analysis of Allen (and all the other QBs in last year's draft) from pre draft is still available on this board but broadly the reason I liked him less is I thought he was less accurate (not completion % - accuracy) than them and made fewer of the tight window mid range throws that move the sticks and win consistently in the NFL. I think there were encouraging signs in that regard in his rookie year but there is still a lot of room for improvement. I am hopeful we might have our guy. ...certainly a valid point...at the same time, he certainly is NOT alone in the "major room for improvement" category among his classmates.........logically and realistically, they would ALL need work in their development...some will succeed and others will not...as Steve Young (yup, HIM) said, "more collegiate QB's fail versus succeed at the NFL level due to the speed and complexity of the game"...hard to argue THAT IMO......"THE most NFL QB ready" yips were nothing but speculative hogwash......wasn't the "illustrious Chuckie" quote, "Peterman is THE most NFL ready QB I've seen in years".....as the late great Paul Harvey said, "...you know the REST of the story"....this youngster is on a mission to prove his naysayers wrong and I respect/appreciate that...stay tuned my friend.... Edited March 30, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 The suicidal Yolo and Blokes takes were hilarious. But in fairness to all parties re-hashing this thread before Allen has even had a good season doesn't really resolve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: So this is why I’ve been getting new likes and beers emoticons on my old posts loI That was fun to read again, funny I thought the freak outs made up more like 50% of the comments...but looking at it now, freak out posts was definitely in the majority. I couldn’t believe how bad people were melting down then and now it’s funny to look back. That thread is a good example of your weak, circular, goal-post moving takes. 1) You attack people for questioning "the professionals" when personnel decisions are made. 2) You attack people for NOT questioning "the professionals" when personnel decisions go wrong. You LITERALLY can't have it both ways and present a rational argument. And yet.........you persist..........and without even an assist from nuance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Said it early on and I’ll stick to it. Elway-esque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I did. And have never hidden from it. As I say above I missed on his running ability but even taking that into account Id have only had a 2nd on him based on what he had put on film as a passer. I will never stop having opinions and mine are always honestly held after putting the work in. Doesn't mean they will always be right. I would be more than happy for Allen to be my biggest miss cos that would be good for Buffalo. I'll pound the table for your draft evaluations any day man. Even if we often differ on QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I did. And have never hidden from it. As I say above I missed on his running ability but even taking that into account Id have only had a 2nd on him based on what he had put on film as a passer. I will never stop having opinions and mine are always honestly held after putting the work in. Doesn't mean they will always be right. I would be more than happy for Allen to be my biggest miss cos that would be good for Buffalo. I think most people did, Allen had a ton to work on last year. I think I had a late second round grade on him last year as well. That is not to say he is a bad player, I think most people thought he had the highest upside of any QB in the class. The one thing that really stood out to me on film was his competitiveness (especially in the games against SD ST, Boise St, and BYU). I wasn’t betting against a guy with that competiteness even though I only gave him a second round grade. It was just hard to grade him higher with the limited production, but it was also hard to grade him because his oline and WRs were terrible. Luckily, I do believe we have a coaching staff that develops players, so we can take chances on guys like Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Well worth the trip...gonna leave this one for posterity Veteran Members 1,375 4,542 post Report post Posted April 26, 2018 I kinda like it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I did. And have never hidden from it. As I say above I missed on his running ability but even taking that into account Id have only had a 2nd on him based on what he had put on film as a passer. I will never stop having opinions and mine are always honestly held after putting the work in. Doesn't mean they will always be right. I would be more than happy for Allen to be my biggest miss cos that would be good for Buffalo. It’s still really early and no one can claim “victory” but I think the thing about Josh that was most overlooked is the fact he hasn’t really had good coaching at any point until now. The growth from the beginning to the end of the year, despite really only getting 3rd team reps all camp, was notable. I believe his confidence is through the roof and I can’t wait for training camp — when undoubtedly he’ll throw too many incompletions and be labeled a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, eball said: It’s still really early and no one can claim “victory” but I think the thing about Josh that was most overlooked is the fact he hasn’t really had good coaching at any point until now. The growth from the beginning to the end of the year, despite really only getting 3rd team reps all camp, was notable. I believe his confidence is through the roof and I can’t wait for training camp — when undoubtedly he’ll throw too many incompletions and be labeled a failure. This is going to be a big year for him. He has to make a jump this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Last year was nuts. At various points over the offseason I was high and low on each QB. By draft night, I wanted to avoid Allen. Was praying we would take Rosen. I was pissed and let it be known. It appears that I'm wrong and am happy as a clam about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: That thread is a good example of your weak, circular, goal-post moving takes. 1) You attack people for questioning "the professionals" when personnel decisions are made. 2) You attack people for NOT questioning "the professionals" when personnel decisions go wrong. You LITERALLY can't have it both ways and present a rational argument. And yet.........you persist..........and without even an assist from nuance. Um....ok? LMAO - Guess today is my turn to face the ranting ramblings of Mr Bado For someone who called me boring and bad today in another thread, you sure are following me quite a bit. Thanks for being a fan, it’s what keeps me going Now let’s make out ???? Edited March 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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