The Mueller Report. BREAKING NEWS: AG’s Summary Report Released. NO COLLUSION!

[Doc]

I think that Don Jr. taking the meeting with Veselnitskaya is the only point in favor of collusion (depending on how she sold herself, i.e. as a representative of the Russian government or just someone with dirt on Hillary who happened to be Russian).  But learning that she was working with Fusion GPS and met with Simpson before and after her meeting with DTJ makes it look far worse for the Dems.

[GaryPinC]

16 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

My example was going to be if I decide to shoot my neighbor and climb up on the roof of the building across the street from his work.  when he comes out I put my AR15 to my shoulder and aim in and pull the trigger, but <click>, dang, I left my bullets at home.  Then I blow off the whole thing and instead decide to challenge him to a bake off.  Did I commit a crime?

 

This is why I don't there was collusion with Russia.  They didn't need Trump's help and they knew he was too stupid so they knew they would get caught.

Sounds like attempted murder to me.  Not sure attempted obstruction is on the same legal footing.

[row_33]

A lot of people need a little lesson on what constitutes evidence that would hold up under oath and cross-examination

 

there is nothing here that is worthy of chasing at all

 

but keep hating and letting your life slip away in DTS, that is your freedom for which many people died

 

 

[DC Tom]

38 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

My example was going to be if I decide to shoot my neighbor and climb up on the roof of the building across the street from his work.  when he comes out I put my AR15 to my shoulder and aim in and pull the trigger, but <click>, dang, I left my bullets at home.  Then I blow off the whole thing and instead decide to challenge him to a bake off.  Did I commit a crime?

 

Neither is a particularly good example.

 

In fact, they're both atrocious examples.  

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

 

Yes, I think much of that happened and a lack of insistence plays into that.  But with Lewandowski episode, he left that conversation believing that Lewandowski would speak to Sessions to walk back his recusal.   But, asking Sessions to walk back his recusal isn't dispositive of obstructing justice but certainly could be seen as attempting to control the investigation.  Again, intent is hard to establish.  

I heard a correlation to the extent of Trump's obstruction was the equivalent of the first base coach getting between the manager and the umpire to diffuse a situation. No big deal, eh?

[Magox]

17 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

I heard a correlation to the extent of Trump's obstruction was the equivalent of the first base coach getting between the manager and the umpire to diffuse a situation. No big deal, eh?

From a legal standpoint that seems reasonable.  From a political one, I just don't see this report swaying opinions one way or the other.

[BeginnersMind]

48 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Neither is a particularly good example.

 

In fact, they're both atrocious examples.  

 

You could have just thumbs-upped my post T-money. I’m feeling the love today am I right? Now we are building community. 

[GG]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

It's Yackety Sax by Boots Randolph. Give the man a little cred.

 

 

 

Thanks.  Never heard the great bass line in the song !

 

And now you sent me on a fishing expedition that took me to Chet Atkins' Yakety Axe,

 

 

 

and another version especially for long lost @OGTEleven

 

 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2019 by GG

[SoCal Deek]

Wow! Many of you have bought into the lefts misguided, pretzel logic, way of thinking. Does the President has the right to fire the Special Counsel?  If so, then he can! It doesn’t mean he’s trying to obstruct justice. Now that we know he’s innocent of collusion, it just means he believes that the investigation and those leading are actually trying to harm the country that he’s sworn an oath to protect against enemies BOTH foreign and domestic!  What do you people think the domestic part is referring to?

[Deranged Rhino]

I'm going to be doing a larger write up / deep dive into what the report says now that I've read it in full. Going to take me a bit of time this weekend to do it properly, but the report ties off some of the more nagging loose ends, while opening up some new rabbit holes. 

 

Big take aways which I'll expound on in more detail: 

 

* We finally learned what the secret second scope memo was about - and, as expected, it was about the dossier and Carter Page and three other Trump team members. This is a major blow to the legitimacy of the SCO as we know, and the SCO confirmed, the dossier was indeed bunk. 

 

* The question of collusion/conspiracy have been definitively answered: it never happened. Ever. It was fiction from the start. This is made more clear by the understanding of what the Mueller report omitted (Mifsud's true allegiance is to western intel, not Russian as Weissman claims for example). Which makes these examples of the media hysteria all the more damning: 

 

* The question of the DNC hack was left unresolved - which was different from what Barr's 4 page summary laid out. This is significant and will be expanded upon in my write up.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

This is bubbling up now. There's a problem with the date Mueller uses for the P-Dop / Downer meeting. 

 

 

 

Trying to riddle this one out.

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

You could have just thumbs-upped my post T-money. I’m feeling the love today am I right? Now we are building community. 

 

That would require me taking you seriously, which begs the question: What part of "weaponizing not ignoring you" do you not understand?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[4merper4mer]

7 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

I love how having insufficient evidence to rebut the presumption of innocence somehow means you're still guilty.

 

These liberals are living in bizzaro world.

Bizarro world turns into Venezuela every time they get control.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Mark Levin on Volume II
 

 

[/dev/null]

8 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

I love how having insufficient evidence to rebut the presumption of innocence somehow means you're still guilty.

 

These liberals are living in bizzaro world.

The presumption of innocence is a right afforded only to those predetermined to be free of guilt

Everyone else must prove their innocence

 

All animals are equal.  Some are more equal than others

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[3rdnlng]

23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And I thought the 80's wanted their foreign policy back?

[Doc]

Have these morons been in a coma for the past 2-1/2 years?  ?

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

Have these morons been in a coma for the past 2-1/2 years?  ?

 

it's all about making sure everyone has to hear about and suffer under their unjustified resentment, it is a way of life 

 

 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Romney could run for President in 2020 on the exact same campaign platform he used in 2012, and be the Democrats' darling.

[row_33]

22 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Romney could run for President in 2020 on the exact same campaign platform he used in 2012, and be the Democrats' darling.

 

but he sucks......

 

 

[njbuff]

Romney is jealous that he couldn't beat a crap Democratic candidate for President but Trump did.

 

Otherwise, Romney needs to go into hiding where he belongs.

[row_33]

4 hours ago, njbuff said:

Romney is jealous that he couldn't beat a crap Democratic candidate for President but Trump did.

 

Otherwise, Romney needs to go into hiding where he belongs.

 

Blow out your candles, Mitt, pick them off the cake one at a time, and so goodbye...

 

[/dev/null]

 

Trump rekt Romney

[Buffalo_Gal]

LOL
 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

There are several basic, factual errors in the Mueller report. They're all dates... why would they be changing when certain things happened in the report? To hide and obscure what truly caused the FBI to open its investigation. It wasn't Downer and G-Pop. It wasn't Steele. 

 

It was Admiral Rogers shutting down their illegal spying operation inside the DOJ/FBI. 

 

 

 

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This is blatant circular intelligence -- intentionally and knowingly created by the FBI and their media cut outs to bolster their case. Mueller's team (Weissman) relied upon these fundamentally flawed articles as verification while omitting the proven contacts ongoing between these two specific reporters and Strzok/Page. 

 

Remember: Ken is nicknamed "Fusion Ken" because he's on Fusion GPS's payroll. He also is a confirmed CIA mouthpiece who got in trouble multiple times for running stories by his CIA handlers before publication. 

 

[Golden Goat]

New party, who dat?

[DC Tom]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

There are several basic, factual errors in the Mueller report. They're all dates... why would they be changing when certain things happened in the report? To hide and obscure what truly caused the FBI to open its investigation. It wasn't Downer and G-Pop. It wasn't Steele. 

 

It was Admiral Rogers shutting down their illegal spying operation inside the DOJ/FBI. 

 

 

 

Those aren't factual errors, they're typographical errors.  

 

Which is even worse, for its unprofessionalism.  How do you proofread so poorly that you don't catch having Sessions as AG before the election?

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

Those aren't factual errors, they're typographical errors.  

 

Which is even worse, for its unprofessionalism.  How do you proofread so poorly that you don't catch having Sessions as AG before the election?

 

It's embarrassing. 

 

And should remind people that what they're reading in this report isn't infallible. It's a one sided, uncontested report created for political purposes. 

[Chef Jim]

14 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

Trump rekt Romney

 

The Child in Chief.  Jesus.....

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[/dev/null]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-mueller-report-kass-20190419-story.html

[Nanker]

Blanche DuBois indeed. We need to start using that on the Colluders. 

[row_33]

22 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Blanche DuBois indeed. We need to start using that on the Colluders. 

 

Blanche was really a dude in the creator's mind....

 

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[Tiberius]

Secrecy? Who needs that? It might influence the next election if this is exposed!

 

BREAKING NEWS

Trump and his business sue to block congressional subpoena of financial records

 

President Trump is seeking a court order to prevent his accounting firm from complying with what his lawyers say is an illegitimate use of congressional subpoena power by congressional Democrats.

• By John Wagner
• 16 minutes ago

[plenzmd1]

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's embarrassing. 

 

And should remind people that what they're reading in this report isn't infallible. It's a one sided, uncontested report created for political purposes. 

Now I am befuddled..Trump and his supporters say it totally exonerates him ..no collusion, no obstruction.

 

Are you saying Mueller and DOJ teamed up in favor of Trump? 

[Buffalo_Gal]

@plenzmd1 There are two reports... volume 1 (the one that clears him) and volume 2 (the opinion piece). Guess which ones the MSM has been reporting?

Honestly? If you are not going to take the time to read the source documents yourself, you are never going to understand what has happened. When people say it was a soft-coup, they are not exaggerating. President Trump committed no crimes. After two years of having his underwear examined, they came up with nothing. Zip, nada, zero. Nothing.

I am shocked as I did not believe he was that clean. I am also shocked as I truly expected the SC "dream team" to manufacturer something so they could charge him with a crime.

[Deranged Rhino]

11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Now I am befuddled..Trump and his supporters say it totally exonerates him ..no collusion, no obstruction.

 

Are you saying Mueller and DOJ teamed up in favor of Trump? 

 

1) It does exonerate him fully on the charges of collusion/conspiracy. More than that, it disproves the veracity of the Steele Dossier, proves the SCO/FBI were relying on the dossier after they already knew it was bunk to prolong the investigation while also laying bare the circular intel loop created by Fusion GPS, the FBI and media outlets like the WaPo and NYTs. 

 

On all those points, volume one is definitive. 

 

2) Volume two lays out "evidence" of obstruction without making a determination as to its worth. Said evidence of obstruction is almost entirely uncontested testimony that may or may not be true. There was no cross, and almost all of the points in favor of obstruction were backed up - again - by news articles written by the usual suspects in the circular intel loop. Trump was not provided the opportunity to defend himself or challenge these assertations (which, is not the point of the report but shouldn't be overlooked or brushed aside).

 

Barr ruled on obstruction, there was no corrupt intent because Trump knew he was innocent and was reacting to the continuous lies and accusations which were hurled at him on a minute by minute basis for the past two years. Yes - he ranted and raved. But he didn't do anything to obstruct the investigation. He didn't fire Mueller. He didn't fire anyone on the SCO team. He didn't interfere in any way. In fact, he was more open and transparent than they expected. Making an obstruction case is a Herculean task, Barr made his ruling and that case is closed. 

 

The only thing left is the politics of it all. The criminal and legal proceedings are done and settled. And settled in Trump's favor. 

 

"Are you saying Mueller and DOJ teamed up in favor of Trump?": 

 

I've maintained for over two years that Mueller was not working against Trump, nor was his primary purpose to "get" Trump. He was given a deal, and he took it. His job was to contain the bad actors in the DOJ who were complicit in the coup attempt and keep them in one group where he could prevent them from disappearing back into the bureaucratic ether where they could do untold damage from the shadows. The SCO team's job was to siphon up any and all evidence - not of Trump's misdeeds though that was part, but also all the evidence of the egregious criminal violations committed by Obama's DOJ in their entrapment of Trump and his team. While the SCO team was siphoning up this evidence of their own misdeeds to bury it - Mueller was passing it along to IG Horowitz to make the criminal cases which will be coming next. 

 

Meanwhile, the press and partisans on the left married themselves to Mueller over the past two years. Thanks to Trump's twitter fingers and their rampant TDS making them disagree with anything he says, these sorts of people elevated Mueller to unimpeachable status. He was a good cop, he'd make a fair decision. They tried to pass legislation to protect him from being fired because he was GOING to deliver the knock out blow. This attachment was part of the plan too - because in the end, Mueller authored a report which exonerated Trump in full on the conspiracy/collusion charges -- while creating a blueprint from which they could criminally charge bad actors for previously un-chargable offenses such as lying to the FBI, Congress, and FARA violations. 

 

If you doubt this - take note of how few people in the media or resistance are even mentioning Volume One. They've focused entirely on Volume Two - and expect the public not to remember that for two years they've said conspiracy/collusion didn't just happen - but was ongoing and treasonous in its scope. That narrative has been blown out of the water by the Mueller report. All the hand wringing and teeth gnashing we've seen in the media shouting "THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN!" are now seen for what they truly were: bull####. 

 

We've got another week, maybe two, of the partisans on both sides cherry picking sections of the report to bolster their cases - but in the end it's moot. The report is done and it cleared Trump on collusion, conspiracy - and yes, obstruction. No charges will be brought against him or his team. It's over. 

 

At least it's over with Trump in the targeting sights. Now it's Obama's turn in the crosshairs. And he's not going to come out of the investigations to come as clean as Trump has. 

[plenzmd1]

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Trump was not provided the opportunity to defend himself or challenge these assertations 

? uhhh???? Now I am really confused. The same dude  who answered 37 times he could not remember in writing because he refused to sit down for an interview was somehow denied the ability to challenge assertions?