John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: I know. And I guarantee you that more than half the electorate is like you which is WHY we end up with presidents like Hussein. ????? Do you see who I am touting as who I would like to be the leader of our country....there is NOTHING about her that even insinuates that. 1 minute ago, GaryPinC said: She was one of the first democrats to meet with Trump after he won the election. She is pragmatic, seems to focus on common ground and willing to talk to the unpopular leaders to find it. She would be a fantastic first woman president and would easily have my vote over anyone else from either party right now. As others have said, I don't think the Dems will give her a shot. I agree. I think she gets it. I can almost guarantee that the white house Q and A's with the media would become non toxic in a hurry. She might even get up on the podiam...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Koko78 said: What does 'acting presidential' even mean? Yup that’s my question. I used so spend time in front of the mirror every morning getting my hair perfect. My wife and I called it Presidential hair. The last two have blown that term out of the water though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The President was recruited to run for office by high ranking military intelligence officials ... Unfortunately the intelligence officials recruiting Trump were Russian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: ????? Do you see who I am touting as who I would like to be the leader of our country....there is NOTHING about her that even insinuates that. John- I mean this in all sincerity. If you, like so many people in this country, vote for someone based on how they make you FEEL rather than the policy positions they take, that is a HUGE contributor to the ongoing failure of the US as a country. And yes, I see you're touting someone who supports Medicare for All. https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-medicare-all Just now, Bob in Mich said: Unfortunately the intelligence officials recruiting Trump were Russian Never change, Bob. Never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: John- I mean this in all sincerity. If you, like so many people in this country, vote for someone based on how they make you FEEL rather than the policy positions they take, that is a HUGE contributor to the ongoing failure of the US as a country. And yes, I see you're touting someone who supports Medicare for All. https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-medicare-all Joe, When my girlfriend and I had been dating for a while she (a CNA who works 2 jobs 16 hours a day) showed me her paycheck. The amount she is paying for health insurance is INSANE because he is just above the low income barrier and so she cannot have Medical. Her situation sucks. frankly the Medicare for All thing is not a BAD thing for the people that fall into that group....of which there are many. Now did a little deeper on how Tulsi would pay for that.....less military intervention into countries (which costs a ton and DOES NOT work) and use that money on our own country. Yes. I like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 don't burn yourself out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: When my girlfriend and I had been dating for a while she (a CNA who works 2 jobs 16 hours a day) showed me her paycheck. The amount she is paying for health insurance is INSANE because he is just above the low income barrier and so she cannot have Medical. Wanna guess WHY her health insurance is so expensive? I'll save you the time and tell you why: the "Affordable Care Act." The guy who rammed that legislation through? The last guy who ran on "hope and change." The last guy people elected because he made them "feel good." I don't want a president that makes me feel good. I want a president who won't bankrupt me with crappy programs. I'm all for withdrawing from overseas. But she's dreaming if she thinks she'll pay for medicare for all by lessening foreign intervention. That's for suckers. Quote The top line of the paper’s abstract says that the bill “would, under conservative estimates, increase federal budget commitments by approximately $32.6 trillion during its first 10 years of full implementation.” According to the paper, even doubling all “currently projected federal individual and corporate income tax collections would be insufficient to finance the added federal costs of the plan.” You read that right, 32 TRILLION dollars over 10 years. 3.2 trillion dollars per year for a decade. https://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/the-cost-of-medicare-for-all/ For reference, the entire spending outlay for 2018's budget was a little over 4 trillion dollars. So she's talking about DOUBLING government spending. For ONE item. Where's that money coming from, John? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_federal_budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Joe, When my girlfriend and I had been dating for a while she (a CNA who works 2 jobs 16 hours a day) showed me her paycheck. The amount she is paying for health insurance is INSANE because he is just above the low income barrier and so she cannot have Medical. Her situation sucks. frankly the Medicare for All thing is not a BAD thing for the people that fall into that group....of which there are many. Now did a little deeper on how Tulsi would pay for that.....less military intervention into countries (which costs a ton and DOES NOT work) and use that money on our own country. Yes. I like that. You give a ***** about your girlfriend, not me. You want her to have better insurance than she's able to obtain for herself? You pay for it, and keep your hands out of my wallet. Your preferences in this regard are incredibly immoral. Who, exactly, do you think you are to insist that others should pay for articles of single use, non-shared utility at the barrel of a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: don't burn yourself out.... Oh I wont spend a lot of time in here. Not versed enough to not get eaten lol. But.....good discussion. 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You give a ***** about your girlfriend, not me. You want her to have better insurance than she's able to obtain for herself? You pay for it, and keep your hands out of my wallet. Your preferences in this regard are incredibly immoral. Who, exactly, do you think you are to insist that others should pay for articles of single use, non-shared utility at the barrel of a gun? Calm down sir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Oh I wont spend a lot of time in here. Not versed enough to not get eaten lol. But.....good discussion. Stick around. The discussion, and the demands placed on an individual to be taken seriously here, have more educational value than most four year degrees these days. 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Calm down sir This is a lousy medium to infer tone. Take what I say at face value, without reading emotion into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Unfortunately the intelligence officials recruiting Trump were Russian Hahahahahahahahaha!!! Now that's some funny ass ***** right here. Oh wait.....you're serious? Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Take a look at youtube and watch all the deranged leftists screaming, kicking, cursing, whining and attacking Trump and his family based on 'feelings', but somehow Trumps behavior is bad? Have people lost their ability to reason? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Albwan said: Take a look at youtube and watch all the deranged leftists screaming, kicking, cursing, whining and attacking Trump and his family based on 'feelings', but somehow Trumps behavior is bad? Have people lost their ability to reason? All those people are not the President. They don’t need to act presidential. Edited March 20, 2019 by BigMcD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Trump was not a member of the uniparty, thus his win and administration is a threat to said establishment - which extends beyond politicians and into the corporate media, entertainment industry, intelligence community, and the global community. For 2+ years now, millions (billions) of dollars have been spent trying to cement this image of Trump in your mind: I've been thinking for a while that this is really what's behind the endless investigations. Both sides are playing. Two things both parties can agree on. War, and keeping everyone else out. With Trump as a total outsider they want to make an example out of him in case any other outsiders like Oprah, or Snoop, or Kanye, or Mark Cuban think they want to run. If the HoR and Senate want to sift though any rich person's books and their lawyer's office, they're toast. ======================== Thanks for your service John. I don't know a whole lotabout Tulsi but I love that she's a fellow veteran who served in Iraq and knows these conquests never work and doesn't want to get in any more. However, she made some gay or trans thing a while back so she's out. Edited March 20, 2019 by reddogblitz 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 @John from Riverside Does President Trump act like a toad often? Undoubtedly. Does he act like a 5 year old child who wants to take his ball and go home at times? For sure. Does Trump act presidential most of the time? Not even close. What Trump has done, however, is cast himself into the vipers nest in an attempt to give us our country back. In doing so, he has put himself, and his family, at great risk. He is besieged by many in the public, the main stream media, social networks, and various governmental officials 24 hours a day, for no other reason than for him being outside the establishment. No one could be expected to continually act presidential during this assault. If you stick around here long enough (even if you just lurk), have an open mind, and poke around in the various threads, you will come across many unpleasant truths. And you may wonder how so many, got away with so much, for so long. Trump is the wrecking ball and the pendulum is just about to swing. I highly encourage you to spend the ~5 minutes watching this video. It's loaded with heavy truths. I don't expect you to believe them, but at a minimum it should raise some questions for you to reflect on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I've been thinking for a while that this is really what's behind the endless investigations. Both sides are playing. Two things both parties can agree on. War, and keeping everyone else out. With Trump as a total outsider they want to make an example out of him in case any other outsiders like Oprah, or Snoop, or Kanye, or Mark Cuban think they want to run. If the HoR and Senate want to sift though any rich person's books and their lawyer's office, they're toast. It was Trump's foreign policy agenda specifically which made him a threat to the global political establishment. This campaign video (above!), red meat and all, really cuts to the heart of it: Edited March 20, 2019 by Deranged Rhino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Oh I wont spend a lot of time in here. Not versed enough to not get eaten lol. But.....good discussion. If you're willing to engage in discussion, tolerate the occasional insult, and back up your position with facts (not feelz), then you'll be fine here. You're off to a good start. Oh, and you will be hazed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: No I would prefer a president that strengthens the country AND acts presidential. And frankly I dont think that is too much to ask. Ronald Reagan just doesn't grow on trees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It was Trump's foreign policy agenda specifically which made him a threat to the global political establishment. This campaign video, red meat and all, really cuts to the heart of it: Beat you with this by a few minutes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hedge said: Beat you with this by a few minutes! First.....I am not a Clinton fan who I also considered a BAD choice for a presidential cand but Why is it that when I watch this video my stomach turns when Trump is talking about "1 percent of the ppl bad" when HE IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING Maybe the simple truth is that they are ALL corrupt......and I am looking for better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: First.....I am not a Clinton fan who I also considered a BAD choice for a presidential cand but Why is it that when I watch this video my stomach turns when Trump is talking about "1 percent of the ppl bad" when HE IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING Maybe the simple truth is that they are ALL corrupt......and I am looking for better. Because it’s a complete load of horseshit. Trump cares about the Trump brand and the Trump brand only. Replace the names of everyone he says is bad with “Trump Inc” and it makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: First.....I am not a Clinton fan who I also considered a BAD choice for a presidential cand but Why is it that when I watch this video my stomach turns when Trump is talking about "1 percent of the ppl bad" when HE IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING Maybe the simple truth is that they are ALL corrupt......and I am looking for better. We got it. California is wearing off on you. Lot of messages to dodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, Teddy KGB said: We got it. California is wearing off on you. Lot of messages to dodge Well...I have lived in a lot of places in the world and I am pretty sure I would feel the same way if I was still in Guam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Well...I have lived in a lot of places in the world and I am pretty sure I would feel the same way if I was still in Guam Lucky for you, you got out before it tipped over. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Oh I wont spend a lot of time in here. Not versed enough to not get eaten lol. But.....good discussion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 The people who say that Trump should act Presidential are the ones who think Trump should take every punch in the face he gets and just smile and say and do nothing. Those are the cries of people who don't know Trump and never even met him. Trump doesn't take punches he gets without fighting back and that is EXACTLY why people voted for Trump. The people who voted for Trump, want Trump, not a Presidential lap dog who will cow tow to his enemies The minute Trump acts Presidential, he will lose his base, and in turn, lose the 2020 election. So, I am sure the left wants Trump to not be Trump to win in 2020, cause they won't beat him with their insane policies. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Oh I wont spend a lot of time in here. Not versed enough to not get eaten lol. But.....good discussion. I hope you consider sticking around. You're enough of an old timer around TSW to know most of the characters down here (and how they operate/know when not to take offense). Even though it can get truculent, there are also some really smart people with a wide array of experiences down here who do contribute to good/informative conversations... between the snarking of course. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 hours ago, bilzfancy said: Speaking for myself, I'm the opposite, I don't care if Trump is the biggest douchbag on the planet, I'm a results person, and Trump has and is doing a lot of good for this country. Obama acted very presidential, spoke very elegantly and did nothing, or very few good things. As far Gabbert, I know little of her, but if she's part of the "socialist "crowd, and green deal bunch, she won't stand a chance This. I don’t give a rats ass who twitters what. I didn’t vote for Trump last time around, but I will next year. He’s been far better than I expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Oh I wont spend a lot of time in here. Not versed enough to not get eaten lol. But.....good discussion. Good. You're an idiot. Was going to tell you earlier, but I held out hopes you'd get some good responses before I said hello. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: No I would prefer a president that strengthens the country AND acts presidential. And frankly I dont think that is too much to ask. Okay, I have to ask... define "Acts Presidential" please... Is there some book out there written only POTUS know about that teach them this? Or is it because the media has said so? Which one of them wrote the book on it? I'm just trying to understand why acting is some manner, not defined by anything except MAYBE past failed presidencies, could possibly be some kind of lesson? After all, what made the way any of the last 2 potus do that really made the world stand up and say, "now that man looks presidential"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: ????? Do you see who I am touting as who I would like to be the leader of our country....there is NOTHING about her that even insinuates that. I agree. I think she gets it. I can almost guarantee that the white house Q and A's with the media would become non toxic in a hurry. She might even get up on the podiam...... Hey John! Good to see you down here. If I could clarify, I think lots of people felt wronged by buying into Obama's style over substance. And they fear you're doing the same, which is why they want you to specifically say why she feels "real." Lots of folks down here don't like subjectivity without at least specific reasons. We all like people at least partially subjectively, that's human nature. It helps to articulate why. Glad to see you here though. I think you're an every man and a proud American (I mean that as a compliment). And I think this country would be leagues improved if we could discuss ideas rationally and amicably from the ground up with folks who are just dipping their toe in the political minefield. 1 hour ago, Cinga said: Okay, I have to ask... define "Acts Presidential" please... Is there some book out there written only POTUS know about that teach them this? Or is it because the media has said so? Which one of them wrote the book on it? I'm just trying to understand why acting is some manner, not defined by anything except MAYBE past failed presidencies, could possibly be some kind of lesson? After all, what made the way any of the last 2 potus do that really made the world stand up and say, "now that man looks presidential"? I would say there's a time for eloquence, calmness, and collectiveness as well as a time for: My ideal candidate expresses both of these in equal measure as the individual situation requires. Obama was too much the former, and lots of folks believe Trump is too far the latter. Basically what I'm saying is that I'm the best person to be president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, KD in CA said: This. I don’t give a rats ass who twitters what. I didn’t vote for Trump last time around, but I will next year. He’s been far better than I expected. What has Trump done to earn this praise from you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Hey John! Good to see you down here. If I could clarify, I think lots of people felt wronged by buying into Obama's style over substance. And they fear you're doing the same, which is why they want you to specifically say why she feels "real." Lots of folks down here don't like subjectivity without at least specific reasons. We all like people at least partially subjectively, that's human nature. It helps to articulate why. Glad to see you here though. I think you're an every man and a proud American (I mean that as a compliment). And I think this country would be leagues improved if we could discuss ideas rationally and amicably from the ground up with folks who are just dipping their toe in the political minefield. I would say there's a time for eloquence, calmness, and collectiveness as well as a time for: My ideal candidate expresses both of these in equal measure as the individual situation requires. Obama was too much the former, and lots of folks believe Trump is too far the latter. Basically what I'm saying is that I'm the best person to be president. In her interviews she talks about how she left the VP of Democratz to support Bernie because she did not believe in what the Dems were doing.....and talks about the only way to really get things accomplished is get everyone to the table. I find it very interesting about how an ex military can talk about getting out of military regime change when that is really what a huge portion of the military budget goes.....she says it does not work (and she is right by the way......these countries HATE us for our efforts) and that money could be spent on our OWN country. Cant stand Tucker on Fox News I think he is a clown......but he had her on as a guest and was actually civil in the interview......which also leads to my believe that she can pull people of varied stances together to get things accomplished. So I like her ideas and I like the way she carries herself......as I said I feel like the white house press conferences are a battlefield now and I envision this woman who would actually step to the podium to talk to the press at times and it NOT be a toxic environment. I also understand the folks that talk about how the dems might keep her down because they are not on board with her agenda.....would love to see her run as a VP candidate with someone that actually has a chance..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I find it very interesting about how an ex military can talk about getting out of military regime change when that is really what a huge portion of the military budget goes.....she says it does not work (and she is right by the way......these countries HATE us for our efforts) and that money could be spent on our OWN country. I don't find it that interesting or even surprising. A LOT of veterans think war is dumb and total waste of time, money, and lives. We've had Veterans like this throughout history. The most decorated Marine in World War I, Smedley Butler, wrote a book about it called "War Is A Racket" that is as applicable today as it was then. You can download it and read it here: https://scoutingweb.com/war-is-a-racket-pdf/ Also think of Ron Kovak and John Kerry (back in the 60s/70s). My wife had a neighbor that was a bomber in World War II. When asked what he did in the war he said he bombed women and children. Like I said a LOT of veterans are anti-war. Like me and you for example. She is against these endless conquests BECAUSE she is a veteran and served as a medic in Iraq and has seen up close how ineffective and bad it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I don't find it that interesting or even surprising. A LOT of veterans think war is dumb and total waste of time, money, and lives. We've had Veterans like this throughout history. The most decorated Marine in World War I, Smedley Butler, wrote a book about it called "War Is A Racket" that is as applicable today as it was then. You can download it and read it here: https://scoutingweb.com/war-is-a-racket-pdf/ Also think of Ron Kovak and John Kerry (back in the 60s/70s). My wife had a neighbor that was a bomber in World War II. When asked what he did in the war he said he bombed women and children. Like I said a LOT of veterans are anti-war. Like me and you for example. She is against these endless conquests BECAUSE she is a veteran and served as a medic in Iraq and has seen up close how ineffective and bad it is. I am very anti war...... WIll always carry the scars from it. When I left the military I eventually worked my way into a job as a graduate student advisor here at one of the Southern California Universities...... Just today I had some Middle Eastern female potential applicant come in to see me.....and I am trying to do my job and I remember the constant worry of females dressed just like them possibly being strapped down with bombs when I was in the Middle East........I am trying to talk to them and it was so difficult but i made it through and they were happy when they left. I love my country......I hate the politics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: Are you able to provide any examples that prove this? Or is it that his way of doing things dont align with yours? There isn't one way to lead. IMO actions are more important than words (not to say words arent important). Attacking a gold star family? We can start there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Still waiting on where that 3.2 trillion is coming from, @John from Riverside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Still waiting on where that 3.2 trillion is coming from, @John from Riverside. Trump stops paying off women and diverts the money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, BigMcD said: Trump stops paying off women and diverts the money? Go away, Canadian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Go away, Canadian. Go stand on the corner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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