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3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I will give one and there are many others.

 

Anyone with ANY moral compas would have STFU about McCain which he did not do.

 

I dont care if you agree with or dont agree with why Trump was upset.    Anyone with any moral compass lets this go because he has plenty of other things he should be concerned with and not talking about someone who just died.

 

What if he knows that John McCain betrayed his country, many times over, aligning himself with true evil, costing American lives?

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Just now, Koko78 said:

 

What does 'acting presidential' even mean?

It might mean something different to you.

 

What it means to me is someone that I am actually proud for speaking for my country and that involves a great many things.

 

Once again.  I am not hear to sway anyone.   This is how I feel about it.

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1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

What if he knows that John McCain betrayed his country, many times over, aligning himself with true evil, costing American lives?

 

I was going to mention you by name in my response to him, but figured you would be a long.

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1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

What if he knows that John McCain betrayed his country, many times over, aligning himself with true evil, costing American lives?

Because he doesnt know that.  Not in my opinion.

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People in glass houses really should not throw stones.

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

It might mean something different to you.

 

What it means to me is someone that I am actually proud for speaking for my country and that involves a great many things.

 

Once again.  I am not hear to sway anyone.   This is how I feel about it.

 

And just for clarification on my stance, ideally I agree with you, but most of the time our two options do not give us a choice of someone with both, at least as recent history has shown

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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

It might mean something different to you.

 

What it means to me is someone that I am actually proud for speaking for my country and that involves a great many things.

 

Once again.  I am not hear to sway anyone.   This is how I feel about it.

 

No one is asking you to sway anyone. However, 'acting presidential' is a pretty subjective term. It is hard to have a conversation about it when we don't know what you're actually talking about.

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Just now, Bray Wyatt said:

 

And just for clarification on my stance, ideally I agree with you, but most of the time our two options do not give us a choice of someone with both, at least as recent history has shown

I understand.  This is why I bring up this specific politician.   She feels real to me.

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

Because he doesnt know that.  Not in my opinion.

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People in glass houses really should not throw stones.

 

There's a good deal of evidence that he does, in fact, know that.

 

The President was recruited to run for office by high ranking military intelligence officials precisely because of traitors like McCain operating at the highest level of government.

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1 minute ago, Koko78 said:

 

No one is asking you to sway anyone. However, 'acting presidential' is a pretty subjective term. It is hard to have a conversation about it when we don't know what you're actually talking about.

I dont think it is really that hard to understand what I am talking about.   Look at who I am holding up as a possible alternate leader.

 

Do you see how these two act very differently?

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

I understand.  This is why I bring up this specific politician.   She feels real to me.

 

I havent heard much about her, I will give her a listen.

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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

 She feels real to me.

 

That any voter uses THIS for a measure scares me.

 

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Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

That any voter uses THIS for a measure scares me.

 

Oh I guarantee you that I am not alone.

 

There are more reasons......but this is one of the basic ones for me.

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

Oh I guarantee you that I am not alone.

 

 

I know. And I guarantee you that more than half the electorate is like you which is WHY we end up with presidents like Hussein.

 

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2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

My first topic thread ever on this forum.....I tread lightly in here with you sharks :)

 

Since my time of leaving the military and particulary this year I have been trying to educate myself on politics.....I try very hard to look at things without bias and let opposing views enter my mind openly so that I can evaluate them and have at least a informed take.   I admit I find this very hard to do for some reason.

 

What I think I have come to a conclusion on is I cant be a left or a right......because both sides make mistakes and dont follow through on the promises they make to get into office.

 

BUT.....and for some reason this really hits me where it counts.    I think that our President is a representative of all of us to the world.....so I need for that person to ACT Presidential.

 

For this reason.....there is no way I can support Trump.....who I find to be a scumbag of the highest order....everything about him repulses me......it seems that he does things in such a way that our senses KNOW that it is wrong but it is done with such a regularity that you become numb to it and it becomes the new normal (and when I say this I am NOT defending past democrat presidents.....only that when you see that the White house briefing has become a war zone/drama......a president twittering hateful things about a dead McCain (who I am sure was not perfect) but just on twitter all night spewing hate and negativity regardless of what is going on in the world and not the proper time for it (if there actually is a time)......

 

Is Trump doing some positive things?   Possibly.....but his lack of Presidential presence overshadows all to me.

 

So to my question.   What are peoples opinions of Tulsi Gabbard.   I have been studying her interviews and I have to say I am impressed right now.....now as a democrat but as a person.   I freely admit that being ex military myself and the fact that she is ex military and served in the same conflicts I did probably have an affect on my judgement.

 

What opinions do people have here?   As a President or maybe even a Vice President?

 

She was one of the first democrats to meet with Trump after he won the election.  She is pragmatic, seems to focus on common ground and willing to talk to the unpopular leaders to find it.

 

She would be a fantastic first woman president and would easily have my vote over anyone else from either party right now.  As others have said, I don't think the Dems will give her a shot.  

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Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I know. And I guarantee you that more than half the electorate is like you which is WHY we end up with presidents like Hussein.

 

?????

 

Do you see who I am touting as who I would like to be the leader of our country....there is NOTHING about her that even insinuates that.

1 minute ago, GaryPinC said:

 

She was one of the first democrats to meet with Trump after he won the election.  She is pragmatic, seems to focus on common ground and willing to talk to the unpopular leaders to find it.

 

She would be a fantastic first woman president and would easily have my vote over anyone else from either party right now.  As others have said, I don't think the Dems will give her a shot.  

I agree.  I think she gets it.

 

I can almost guarantee that the white house Q and A's with the media would become non toxic in a hurry.   She might even get up on the podiam......

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10 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

What does 'acting presidential' even mean?

 

Yup that’s my question. I used so spend time in front of the mirror every morning getting my hair perfect. My wife and I called it Presidential hair. The last two have blown that term out of the water though. 

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5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

The President was recruited to run for office by high ranking military intelligence officials ...

 

Unfortunately the intelligence officials recruiting Trump were Russian

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

?????

 

Do you see who I am touting as who I would like to be the leader of our country....there is NOTHING about her that even insinuates that.

 

John-

 

I mean this in all sincerity. If you, like so many people in this country, vote for someone based on how they make you FEEL rather than the policy positions they take, that is a HUGE contributor to the ongoing failure of the US as a country.

 

And yes, I see you're touting someone who supports Medicare for All.

 

https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-medicare-all

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

 

Unfortunately the intelligence officials recruiting Trump were Russian

 

Never change, Bob.

 

Never change.

 

:lol:

 

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Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

John-

 

I mean this in all sincerity. If you, like so many people in this country, vote for someone based on how they make you FEEL rather than the policy positions they take, that is a HUGE contributor to the ongoing failure of the US as a country.

 

And yes, I see you're touting someone who supports Medicare for All.

 

https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-medicare-all

Joe,

 

When my girlfriend and I had been dating for a while she (a CNA who works 2 jobs 16 hours a day) showed me her paycheck.   The amount she is paying for health insurance is INSANE because he is just above the low income barrier and so she cannot have Medical.

 

Her situation sucks.   frankly the Medicare for All thing is not a BAD thing for the people that fall into that group....of which there are many.

 

Now did a little deeper on how Tulsi would pay for that.....less military intervention into countries (which costs a ton and DOES NOT work) and use that money on our own country.

 

Yes.   I like that.

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don't burn yourself out....

 

 

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

When my girlfriend and I had been dating for a while she (a CNA who works 2 jobs 16 hours a day) showed me her paycheck.   The amount she is paying for health insurance is INSANE because he is just above the low income barrier and so she cannot have Medical.


Wanna guess WHY her health insurance is so expensive?

I'll save you the time and tell you why: the "Affordable Care Act." The guy who rammed that legislation through? The last guy who ran on "hope and change." The last guy people elected because he made them "feel good."

I don't want a president that makes me feel good. I want a president who won't bankrupt me with crappy programs.

 

I'm all for withdrawing from overseas. But she's dreaming if she thinks she'll pay for medicare for all by lessening foreign intervention. That's for suckers.

 

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The top line of the paper’s abstract says that the bill “would, under conservative estimates, increase federal budget commitments by approximately $32.6 trillion during its first 10 years of full implementation.” According to the paper, even doubling all “currently projected federal individual and corporate income tax collections would be insufficient to finance the added federal costs of the plan.”

 

 

You read that right, 32 TRILLION dollars over 10 years. 3.2 trillion dollars per year for a decade.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/the-cost-of-medicare-for-all/

 

For reference, the entire spending outlay for 2018's budget was a little over 4 trillion dollars. So she's talking about DOUBLING government spending. For ONE item. Where's that money coming from, John?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_federal_budget

 

 

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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Joe,

 

When my girlfriend and I had been dating for a while she (a CNA who works 2 jobs 16 hours a day) showed me her paycheck.   The amount she is paying for health insurance is INSANE because he is just above the low income barrier and so she cannot have Medical.

 

Her situation sucks.   frankly the Medicare for All thing is not a BAD thing for the people that fall into that group....of which there are many.

 

Now did a little deeper on how Tulsi would pay for that.....less military intervention into countries (which costs a ton and DOES NOT work) and use that money on our own country.

 

Yes.   I like that.

 

You give a ***** about your girlfriend, not me.  You want her to have better insurance than she's able to obtain for herself?

 

You pay for it, and keep your hands out of my wallet.

 

Your preferences in this regard are incredibly immoral.

 

Who, exactly, do you think you are to insist that others should pay for articles of single use, non-shared utility at the barrel of a gun?

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2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

don't burn yourself out....

 

 

Oh I wont spend a lot of time in here.  Not versed enough to not get eaten lol.

 

But.....good discussion.

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

You give a ***** about your girlfriend, not me.  You want her to have better insurance than she's able to obtain for herself?

 

You pay for it, and keep your hands out of my wallet.

 

Your preferences in this regard are incredibly immoral.

 

Who, exactly, do you think you are to insist that others should pay for articles of single use, non-shared utility at the barrel of a gun?

Calm down sir

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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Oh I wont spend a lot of time in here.  Not versed enough to not get eaten lol.

 

But.....good discussion.

 

Stick around.

 

The discussion, and the demands placed on an individual to be taken seriously here, have more educational value than most four year degrees these days.

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Calm down sir

 

This is a lousy medium to infer tone.

 

Take what I say at face value, without reading emotion into it.

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