Kelly the Dog Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: No they are not. Man some people on this board have some pretty outlandish theories. Name all of the other GM/HC tandems in Bills or NFL History where fans linked the two by calling them one name? There is a reason for it. They talk about how alike they are themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Name all of the other GM/HC tandems in Bills or NFL History where fans linked the two by calling them one name? There is a reason for it. They talk about how alike they are themselves. Whats the weather like in your blurred reality? Its sunny over here in normal reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/18/2019 at 7:15 PM, Scorp83 said: For most of us that want a little more insight... my guy Brett Kollmann lives for this draft stuff! He has a great breakdown on DK... not long...you won't be sitting around for 20-30mins but he gives good game film on DK game, 3 cone drill & lack of production. After watching this... I gotta tell you. He would be perfect for Allen! Can't wait to see the discussion on it. Enjoy! ? Joey B and Matt Fairborn think differently. Think Metcalf can only run in a straight line. Does not run a full route free. Struggles to change direction and make quick cuts. Might not the best pick for the Bills, especially considering Josh Brown (and Foster) can get vertical AJ Brown might be the better choice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Whats the weather like in your blurred reality? Its sunny over here in normal reality. You didn’t answer because you can’t. Why do you think they are called that? They got rid of virtually everyone in two years outside of Shady and Hughes. And maybe Shaq. The LS doesn’t count. That’s astounding. Lorax too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) Metcalf is this year's Edmunds and Allen. I think Metcalf checks alot of boxes. What he brings from the wr position you see once every 3 to 4 years. Maybe injuries take him out, but he has NFL pedigree and plays as fast as he ran at the combine. Hopefully, Mcbeane draft the biggest freak they can find at 9. If that's Oliver, Sweat, Gary, either Devin at Lb or Metcalf I dont really care. I'm optimistic about Allen and the defense that this is the last year in a while Buffalo picks top 15. I want them to take a freaky dude that can make big plays. Edited March 30, 2019 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: You didn’t answer because you can’t. Why do you think they are called that? They got rid of virtually everyone in two years outside of Shady and Hughes. And maybe Shaq. The LS doesn’t count. That’s astounding. Lorax too. Serious question...does anyone here even know what you are talking about anymore? Do you? Because I don't. You are all over the map and this has run its course. Beane was not part of about 90% of what you claim. Good luck with painting false realities and trying to live in them. Hopefully you find the Architect before Agent Smith finds you. Im pulling for you and don't forget to give Trinity a kiss on the mouth from me to her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Serious question...does anyone here even know what you are talking about anymore? Do you? Because I don't. You are all over the map and this has run its course. Beane was not part of about 90% of what you claim. ? Beane was part of only 10% of the roster turnover the last two years? Wow. I’m done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I think Beane will rule out Gary. He's too light. It will 100% come down to Oliver, Hock or Metcalf. And probably in that order. They haven’t brought Hock in for a visit so I am crossing him off the list until they do. I think the three most likely are Oliver, Metcalf, and Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Logic said: AJ Brown was the better college WR and will be the better pro receiver. DK Metcalf is just Stephen Hill to me. AJ Brown was utilized better in college and was a better fit for their QB. Metcalf is the perfect fit for our offence and has a better chance at becoming Randy Moss than Steven Hill imo. There is some risk but it is probably worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Beane was part of only 10% of the roster turnover the last two years? Wow. I’m done here. Except I didnt say that...I said 90% of the nonsense you have spewed Beane wasn't part of. You can't separate McD/Whaley and McD/Beane...your fault, not mine. All good Edited March 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) He is David Boston...more in love with bodybuilding than football, he is getting too big, too muscular, leading to shortening of the muscle and range of motion that can be seen in his terrible change of direction and lateral quickness drills...this will lead to many injuries and will shorten his career. I'd avoid at all costs. He might be good for a few years but his career will be drastically shortened and he will be out of the NFL within 5 or 6 years. Edited March 30, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He is David Boston...more in love with bodybuilding than football, he is getting too big, too muscular, leading to shortening of the muscle and range of motion that can be seen in his terrible change of direction and lateral quickness drills...this will lead to many injuries and will shorten his career. I'd avoid at all costs. He might be good for a few years but his career will be drastically shortened and he will be out of the NFL within 5 or 6 years. I'm curious to what your thoughts were on Josh Allen this time last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 8 hours ago, the skycap said: Is this the same Eric Metcalf that was an All Pro return specialist? One of the most dynamic 3rd down RB in NFL history? Same one, but he was the most fragile player in Tecmo Bowl history... not even close. Just wondering if anyone else remembered him always getting carted off and on IR. Tough crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billspro said: AJ Brown was utilized better in college and was a better fit for their QB. Metcalf is the perfect fit for our offence and has a better chance at becoming Randy Moss than Steven Hill imo. There is some risk but it is probably worth taking. DK Metcalf had 1,200 yards and 14 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.33. Stephen Hill had 1,200 yards and 9 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.36 Randy Moss had 1,800 yards and 26 touchdowns in ONE COLLEGE SEASON ALONE. He ran a 4.25. The Randy Moss comparisons are ludicrous to me. Just like Stephen Hill, Metcalf is a huge, fast guy with limited change of direction who never produced big numbers in college and whose defenders say "it wasn't his fault his offense used him poorly!" I see more of a chance of Metcalf becoming Hill than Moss, but that's just me. Edited March 30, 2019 by Logic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Serious question...does anyone here even know what you are talking about anymore? Do you? Because I don't. You are all over the map and this has run its course. Beane was not part of about 90% of what you claim. Good luck with painting false realities and trying to live in them. Hopefully you find the Architect before Agent Smith finds you. Im pulling for you and don't forget to give Trinity a kiss on the mouth from me to her ? Your takes in this thread were not good..........and unfortunately also not at all entertaining.........bad AND boring is no way to go thru life. Do better. Edit. Something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: I'm curious to what your thoughts were on Josh Allen this time last year? I was kind of on the fence...on one hand I heard all the talk about his inaccuracy and on the other I heard how he had literally nobody on his team to work with and how his receivers were terrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Your takes in this thread were not good..........and unfortunately also not at all entertaining.........bad AND boring is no way to go thru life. Do better. Edit. Something. Lol...so guess that means you believe Beane had something to do with Woods and Goodwin too. It’s total nonsense and this fake news story is played out of mixing Beane into McDs time with Whaley. It’s comical it still persists. Its also getting old that people keep stating we got rid of Woods (again before Beane was in Buffalo) when Woods himself said many times he wanted to come home to LA. He did not want to resign here, had nothing to do with us “getting rid of him”. It also gets old watching people complain about Goodwin leaving when 97% of this board not only didn't want him, but didn't think he even belonged in the NFL. Especially when many of the people complaining about him leaving are many of the same people who wanted him gone in the first place...and again, before Beane got here. Nothing is inaccurate about what I said. Facts are real...”McBeane” getting rid of woods and Goodwin is made up fan fiction. And thanks for tip, but my life is neither bad nor boring, so guess I lucked out there and am pretty blessed ? Edited March 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Logic said: DK Metcalf had 1,200 yards and 14 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.33. Stephen Hill had 1,200 yards and 9 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.36 Randy Moss had 1,800 yards and 26 touchdowns in ONE COLLEGE SEASON ALONE. He ran a 4.25. The Randy Moss comparisons are ludicrous to me. Just like Stephen Hill, Metcalf is a huge, fast guy with limited change of direction who never produced big numbers in college and whose defenders say "it wasn't his fault his offense used him poorly!" I see more of a chance of Metcalf becoming Hill than Moss, but that's just me. I get your point here, and if you take the stats at face value it makes sense. However there is a very big hole in this comparison. Metcalf was well on his way to a big season but he had the neck injury. So the stat comparisons are not really accurate here. Had he played the whole season he would probably be a lock for a top 5 pick and would be getting even more Calvin and Julio comparisons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror#8 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) I hope people aren’t simply captivated by this guy because he’s strong, fast, can catch, and can jump. As crazy as this might sound, I don’t think that’s the archetype. Justin Blackmon were all of those things. And I think David Boston too was a low 4.4 guy. If there is any position that can defy raw metrics it’s the wr position. Route running, footwork, cutting, and precision timing are as, if not more, important. College game masks those abilities. And I don’t think there as easily learned as some might think. I get the pyrite vibe from Metcalf. Edited March 30, 2019 by Juror#8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Same one, but he was the most fragile player in Tecmo Bowl history... not even close. Just wondering if anyone else remembered him always getting carted off and on IR. Tough crowd Hahahaha I do remember this...he was awesome but always hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 9 hours ago, OrtonHearsaWho said: I like N'Keal a lot too, just not at 9. He seems to be getting a 2nd round grade lately and if we took him in the 2nd I'm really happy. He and DK seem to have the same concerns (agility/shiftiness) and I think they end up having the same floor but I think DK has the higher ceiling. I'd be happy with either depending on where they are drafted. Actually Bleacher has him as the 1st WR off the board to Carolina and he was just on GMFB and they even said it’s possible for him to be the 1st WR taken. This kids going to impress during interviews. He’s got the skills & personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) Remember how Chris Simms raved about Josh Allen Another great breakdown Edited March 30, 2019 by the skycap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) These are notes from Greg Cosell/Ross Tucker podcast Edited March 30, 2019 by the skycap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) It just seems like we should go bpa at 9. I doubt DK would be that guy at 9. Trust the process. Fantastic analysis! Edited March 30, 2019 by longtimebillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 8 hours ago, matter2003 said: He is David Boston...more in love with bodybuilding than football, he is getting too big, too muscular, leading to shortening of the muscle and range of motion that can be seen in his terrible change of direction and lateral quickness drills...this will lead to many injuries and will shorten his career. I'd avoid at all costs. He might be good for a few years but his career will be drastically shortened and he will be out of the NFL within 5 or 6 years. Go watch Harry's Pro Day and watch DK at Ole Miss Pro Day. Who looks bigger? They look about the same size to me. That USA today pic of DK was directly after a workout where the muscles are still pumped with a lot of blood. But at his pro day he didn't look nearly that big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Logic said: DK Metcalf had 1,200 yards and 14 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.33. Stephen Hill had 1,200 yards and 9 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.36 Randy Moss had 1,800 yards and 26 touchdowns in ONE COLLEGE SEASON ALONE. He ran a 4.25. The Randy Moss comparisons are ludicrous to me. Just like Stephen Hill, Metcalf is a huge, fast guy with limited change of direction who never produced big numbers in college and whose defenders say "it wasn't his fault his offense used him poorly!" I see more of a chance of Metcalf becoming Hill than Moss, but that's just me. Metcalf has 1100 yards this season if he doesn’t get injured. Moss played in a much easier conference. The Hill comp is just a joke, the are not even in the same league as prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, the skycap said: Remember how Chris Simms raved about Josh Allen Another great breakdown Simms always does a good job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I'm curious to what your thoughts were on Josh Allen this time last year? I thought he had a ridiculous arm, was a good perimeter passer, had tremendous trouble reading defenses, was somewhat athletic and didn't want the Bills to take him. Yes I did not want the Bills to take him because I thought his development was going to take a very long time. I admit it, I did not want the Bills to take Allen but at the same time thought he had ridiculous traits. Admittedly, I didn't want to take too far of a step back from the playoffs. I felt that a QB like Mayfield or Rosen could get us back there, but I even posted in threads about them that we will not take them. I didn't think Allen could get us back there last season. In any case what it taught me film study wise is to look for NFL traits. Look for the traits first, then look at the stat line. Secondly, there were other things that I just couldn't know, like what type of person Josh was and what his leadership looked and sounded like; what his study habits are; what his drive to win is like so on and so forth. These are things that come out in interviews. With respect to DK, I see a lot of NFL WR traits. The injuries are a concern. But other than that, I think he can be special at the position. 30 minutes ago, billspro said: Metcalf has 1100 yards this season if he doesn’t get injured. Moss played in a much easier conference. The Hill comp is just a joke, the are not even in the same league as prospects. Agreed and I wish people would stop with this nonsense. I hear and read the Stephen Hill comparisons but to me that's someone who hasn't looked at Stephen Hill nor DK Metcalf. Some of the reasons Hill failed IMO is because while he ran a fast 40, Hill is a long strider which didn't bode well for him getting behind NFL DB's. Secondly, those long strides hurt when trying to learn the route tree. Third, Hill's footwork was average. Hill was the essential definition of a one trick pony. Anyone who's watching critically wouldn't even put these two in the same category. Hill was advised to stay in school and the NFL advisory board projected him as a 3rd round pick. None of this is the case for DK Metcalf, so I wish people would stop with the foolishness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Joey B and Matt Fairborn think differently. Think Metcalf can only run in a straight line. Does not run a full route free. Struggles to change direction and make quick cuts. Might not the best pick for the Bills, especially considering Josh Brown (and Foster) can get vertical AJ Brown might be the better choice Well... do you think AJ Brown is better then Zay Jones? If so, then hey we could take him & upgrade that spot... But my argument is... it doesn't help us 1 bit, it still doesn't fix a need... plus Beasley is our slot man...for the next 4 years. AJ Brown is a slot WR... he can play the outside but he will struggle in this league doing so. Which is why I love DK... he represents Josh Allen... the big raw, talented kid with so much untapped potential. This coaching staff isn't in a rush & if we go DK... he won't be expected to help as much in the beginning....kinda like they did with Allen. Josh didn't really take off until the 2nd half of the season. Which you'll see in my next thread about to post. Edited March 30, 2019 by Scorp83 Typo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, billspro said: Metcalf has 1100 yards this season if he doesn’t get injured. Moss played in a much easier conference. The Hill comp is just a joke, the are not even in the same league as prospects. Except that they really, really ARE in the same league. They produced about the same college numbers (in spite of your unprovable hypothetical about non-injury). They're both between 6'4 and 6'5. They both run a 4.3ish 40. They both have/had less than desirable change of direction skills. They both ran an extremely limited route tree. They both look dynamite in shorts and a t-shirt. I'm not saying they're identical prospects, but the comparison to Hill is WAY more accurate/reasonable than your comparison to RANDY FREAKING MOSS. I mean...What am I missing? Edited March 30, 2019 by Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Logic said: Except that they really, really ARE in the same league. They produced about the same college numbers (in spite of your unprovable hypothetical about non-injury). They're both between 6'4 and 6'5. They both run a 4.3ish 40. They both have/had less than desirable change of direction skills. They both ran an extremely limited route tree. They both look dynamite in shorts and a t-shirt. I'm not saying they're identical prospects, but the comparison to Hill is WAY more accurate/reasonable than your comparison to RANDY FREAKING MOSS. I mean...What am I missing? Calvin Johnson, Hopkins, and Randy Moss don’t have great change of direction skills either. If he can run an elite go, slant, and hook he will be one of the top WRs in the NFL. If you actually look at Metcalfs game stats they are pretty good. He eclipsed 90 4 times in the 6 games he played last year. Bottom line, Metcalf is a rare WR prospect. He belongs in the AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson conversation. When I watch him play I see some similarities to Randy Moss, not going to back off that comp. There is a good chance the Bills draft him so prepare to be disappointed on draft day. Edited March 30, 2019 by billspro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, billspro said: Calvin Johnson, Hopkins, and Randy Moss don’t have great change of direction skills either. If he can run an elite go, slant, and hook he will be one of the top WRs in the NFL. If you actually look at Metcalfs game stats they are pretty good. He eclipsed 90 4 times in the 6 games he played last year. Bottom line, Metcalf is a rare WR prospect. He belongs in the AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson conversation. When I watch him play I see some similarities to Randy Moss, not going to back off that comp. There is a good chance the Bills draft him so prepare to be disappointed on draft day. He fits perfectly in Dabolls scheme if you look at last years passing game in the 2nd half of the season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) I would be alright if the Bills drafted Metcalf....there are quite a few players that I really like this year and would be happy with at pick 9. Oliver, Sweat, Hockenson, White, Metcalf ...I don't think there really is a bad pick. Edited March 30, 2019 by Magnum Force 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Not going to lie; he looked pretty good in his pro day video. I understand there is a difference between pro day and gameday, and he has issues with drops. Just saying, his pro day video looked explosive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, billspro said: Calvin Johnson, Hopkins, and Randy Moss don’t have great change of direction skills either. If he can run an elite go, slant, and hook he will be one of the top WRs in the NFL. If you actually look at Metcalfs game stats they are pretty good. He eclipsed 90 4 times in the 6 games he played last year. Bottom line, Metcalf is a rare WR prospect. He belongs in the AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson conversation. When I watch him play I see some similarities to Randy Moss, not going to back off that comp. There is a good chance the Bills draft him so prepare to be disappointed on draft day. I like Ed Oliver and have been focusing on DL at nine. I think there are some fairly good wrs likely available in round two. If they go Metcalf, I'll be excited, while still feeling there's more risk there than I'd like. If he is in the conversation you allude to, you have to go get him for Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I could be wrong but I would kinda hate this pick. This guy is a better athlete than receiver. He’s king to be a gimmick type player who will get drafted way too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I could be wrong but I would kinda hate this pick. This guy is a better athlete than receiver. He’s king to be a gimmick type player who will get drafted way too high. I get those same feelings...he is tempting but your analogy is good also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Just now, Magnum Force said: I get those same feelings...he is tempting but your analogy is good also. It’s hard because he is freaking but some of his strengths (being a monster, very fast straight ahead but is slower than Brady in shuttles) are not that important to being a receiver. I’d want the best combo of physical ability and production. obviously it depends what team they go to but I think AJ Brown will be the better pro, just like he was the better college player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WideNine Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/18/2019 at 5:21 PM, Scorp83 said: I've been saying some of the same stuff too. But I'd figure, I post for people that doesn't get a chance to watch video or think things are being made up. Brett provides an easier way for people that's skeptical on DK... to get a better understanding of him, without watching tons of Ole Miss games ? Mentioned something similar about Ol' Miss limiting the routes they had him run. Liked the breakdown and comparisons to Calvin Johnson, makes more sense to use those big, strong, and fast receivers the way they used Johnson. A more fair assessment of Metcalf's abilities in the right system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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