badassgixxer05 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Every team has a number #1WR. Hes the guy that will get the most targets\catches. We will know who he is at year end.. ? Don't care if he is top tier leading in stats as long as we are winning games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: Nope, see the Pats****. And even Rams to some extent. The Pats are and have been the exception to the rule. Woods, Cook and Kupp are a damn good trio! The vast majority of teams need a legit #1 or a good collection of wideouts that fit a scheme. We're still lacking, which is why Beane kicked the tires on Brown and Beckham. Edited March 13, 2019 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Seems like it's more important to have an elite TE.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Nope but a great TE helps - patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Most WRs are a product of their QB. Regardless of what happens, teams aren't great until they have their quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Like most positions, a star #1 helps the other WRs get single coverage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Magox said: "The last 1st team All Pro WR who was on a super bowl winning team was all the way back in 2006 with Marvin Harrison. Heck, even if you go back the last 10 years to see the top WR's on the winning team, you would be hard pressed to find a handful of pro bowl receivers. " I did say "winning" Superbowl team. Dont get me wrong, would love to have one but they arent needed. I do know you said "winning" but Jones was literally minutes away from winning in OT, does that mean because his team didn't win it's not necessary? I don't really think you can make that argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: I do know you said "winning" but Jones was literally minutes away from winning in OT, does that mean because his team didn't win it's not necessary? I don't really think you can make that argument. I didnt say having a top tiered WR precludes you from winning a superbowl I said not having one isnt necessary to win a superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I posted this in another thread, but definitely think it fits this discussion too --- definitely worth the read! https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/debunking-the-myth-of-the-weak-2019-wr-class The gist is that the NFL is evolving into a league where the definition of "#1 WR" no longer has to mean the Randy Moss/TO prototype. As Beane said at the combine, it's more about guys who can figure out a way to get open and/or schemes to get them open. So if the question is, do we need DK Metcalf to win, the above would suggest no. That being said, there are a variety of ways of getting open, and the NFL will always be a league where mismatches are highly sought after. So it's also not unfair to say, simply walking off the bus, that DK Metcalf possess advantages in his height, verticality and physicality that John Brown does not. Another way of saying this is that physical attributes are still an advantage (duh) but not the be-all/end-all that they once were perceived to be. With yesterday's pickups, we have speed to stretch the field in Brown and Foster, and guys who can work the seems and the middle in Zay and Beasley... What we lack is that vertical/physical/catch-radius component (which might be critical, given JA's less than pinpoint accuracy) that can be so critical in extending drives and succeeding in the red zone. Going into the draft, I loved Deebo Samuel and McClaurin, but given everything above, I think if we go WR early, it will likely be more of the big bodied type. Not, necessarily because you need that to win, but because it will contribute to the diversity of this offense (just please don't let it be JJ Arcega-Whiteside!!! ?)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Nope, Name top 10 WRs. Ok good, now Tell me which ones have rings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 If it were me, I'd be ok with having a solid "number 2" type along with a couple of number 3's. I believe that with a good offensive line, a solid QB can make those WR's look like 1's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Why would you look at it that way? A top WR helps your QB and offense immensely. It opens up the field of play for everybody on your offense. Take a look at the Giants with and without Odell in the lineup. It was night and day for the most part. Is it 100% necessary? No, but it certainly helps a ***** ton for everyone else. IMO, a star WR is icing on the cake. You can't rely on him to make your offense function. I'd rather spend the money and draft capital shoring up both lines. That is how you win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) I feel like sometimes its sort of like pitchers in baseball - you pad your numbers during the year against mediocre ones, then hit .200 in the playoffs because you only get to face solid pitchers. During the regular season you get to play mediocre teams and you can just rely on talent alone. Once the playoffs roll around typically the best coaches, the best defenses are still around so its tougher to have the same impact in the stat column. QB kind of trumps everything. If you don't have one you probably stink. Edited March 13, 2019 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: While I agree with you about not needing a top WR, Hopkins is a top 4 WR and made the playoffs. Alshon Jeffery in Philadelphia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 No a dominant WR is not necessary. Having a great QB is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, thebandit27 said: but I sure would like to see a N'Keal Harry type of 50/50 ball specialist with some downfield speed added in the draft to fill that role. Just my 1 cent. This is the guy I'd like to see them target in the 2nd round as well. So now there are 2 cents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Why would you look at it that way? A top WR helps your QB and offense immensely. It opens up the field of play for everybody on your offense. Take a look at the Giants with and without Odell in the lineup. It was night and day for the most part. Is it 100% necessary? No, but it certainly helps a ***** ton for everyone else. I look at it that way because elite WRs are passé expensive dinosaurs... it’s obsolete they are nice to have at best and certainly not worth bidding for in Free agency. Giants make my point. Making your whole offense reliant on 1 WR is schematically dumb. Even still giants were harldly better with him vs without him. count the rings for me please: julio OBJ AB Evans Fitzgerald DeAndre AJ Greene Keenan Allen Micheal Thomas Diggs TY Lanrdy Theilen Devonte Amari 0 Golden Tate , Julian Edelman are the most elite WRs with rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I look at it that way because elite WRs are passé expensive dinosaurs... it’s obsolete they are nice to have at best and certainly not worth bidding for in Free agency. Giants make my point. Making your whole offense reliant on 1 WR is schematically dumb. Even still giants were harldly better with him vs without him. count the rings for me please: julio OBJ AB Evans Fitzgerald DeAndre AJ Greene Keenan Allen Micheal Thomas Diggs TY Lanrdy Theilen Devonte Amari 0 Golden Tate , Julian Edelman are the most elite WRs with rings. Brandon Cooks is about as "elite" as Tate. Neither of them are truly elite though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Actually this depends on the OL and QB also. Brady / Brees get rid of the ball so quickly and spread it around - so they do not need a #1 WR (or even a superlative great OLine). But if you have an Oline that can give a QB time in the pocket, a #1 WR is invaluable. Because, by definition #1 WRs have everything - speed, separation, catch radius and elevation - given time they will get open and provide a target for the waiting QB. We have a QB who could buy time with his scrambling even if the Oline was bad. So I think he will benefit for having a #1 WR like Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, OBJ or DeAndre Hopkins. funny - Brees doesnt need a #1 but still has one in Michael Thomas. Somewhat like Randy Moss that one year with Brady. The above description does not mean Allen wont do well with a WR by committee. With Foster and John Brown extending the field and Beasley and Zay underneath, opposing defenses have to pick their poison and with experience, he will be able to pick em apart. Edited March 13, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Doesn't need to be an elite #1 guy, but probably needs to be better than John Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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