Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: 2019 Left 2020 So whats the difference between adjusted and maximum salary cap? I'd have expected 2020 to be a larger number than 2019, so am guessing by the time next spring rolls around the adjusted 2020 cap will maybe add $20 mil or so on top?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So whats the difference between adjusted and maximum salary cap? I'd have expected 2020 to be a larger number than 2019, so am guessing by the time next spring rolls around the adjusted 2020 cap will maybe add $20 mil or so on top?? This years adjusted cap is the 2018 cap (188,200,000) plus last years rollover. Right now they are only projecting this years cap for next years numbers. The Bills actual cap for next year will increase by the raising of the cap for all teams for 2020 plus whatever rollover the Bills will have. You are right, it should be about 20 million more (10 in increase and 10 or so rollover.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Having a lot of space doesn’t mean best managed. Yeah the narrative that they were horribly cap managed under Whaley is mostly fiction. The doozie contract was the one given Dareus that didn't include clauses for personal conduct...........and that was totally on Terry Pegula for giving a sweetheart deal to Dareus' agent and former Pegula employee Todd France........not on Whaley. There was a giddiness within the organization that winter and some bad deals were made but you could certainly argue that the current regime has been careless with vast assets as well with the lopsided contract to Lotulelei.......throwing away money on the unnecessary Wood extension.......the very price one week rental on Corey Coleman..........basically an 0-9 UFA season last winter........not exactly flawless execution. But Whaley signing Lorax and Zach Brown and watching them produce 16.5 sacks and 200 tackles for a paltry $5M combined...........acquired Taylor for peanuts in UFA..........got Incognito extra cheapo...........yeah that guy was just always so awful with money. Not saying the prior regime didn't make their share of cap mistakes but McDermott and Beane simply wanted to quickly flip the roster and that gets expensive wrt dead money when you have a veteran team like they inherited. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah the narrative that they were horribly cap managed under Whaley is mostly fiction. The doozie contract was the one given Dareus that didn't include clauses for personal conduct...........and that was totally on Terry Pegula for giving a sweetheart deal to Dareus' agent and former Pegula employee Todd France........not on Whaley. There was a giddiness within the organization that winter and some bad deals were made but you could certainly argue that the current regime has been careless with vast assets as well with the lopsided contract to Lotulelei.......throwing away money on the unnecessary Wood extension.......the very price one week rental on Corey Coleman..........basically an 0-9 UFA season last winter........not exactly flawless execution. But Whaley signing Lorax and Zach Brown and watching them produce 16.5 sacks and 200 tackles for a paltry $5M combined...........acquired Taylor for peanuts in UFA..........got Incognito extra cheapo...........yeah that guy was just always so awful with money. Not saying the prior regime didn't make their share of cap mistakes but McDermott and Beane simply wanted to quickly flip the roster and that gets expensive wrt dead money when you have a veteran team like they inherited. IMO Whaley wasn't a bad GM, just not a good GM. He looked at signing individual players and did pretty good. What he didn't do is put a team together. Beane with his vision I think is much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: With the exception of Morse and maybe Beasley.......I think they plan to draft what they hope are replacements for most of the UFA's they signed. These dudes are mostly placeholders. If they get lucky and a few of these UFA's make it past year 2 that will be either mean they drafted poorly or those UFA's significantly exceeded reasonable expectations. Hmmm, that parts of it but I also think they are full on mining the league trying to find the next Jerry Hughes. The next guy ready to breakout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) On 3/19/2019 at 12:46 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So whats the difference between adjusted and maximum salary cap? I'd have expected 2020 to be a larger number than 2019, so am guessing by the time next spring rolls around the adjusted 2020 cap will maybe add $20 mil or so on top?? you can't really calculate 2020 until 2019's dust has settled. Add in any carryovers or cap increases. Edited March 20, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: This is great. Jets make a splash but never learn, they will be right back here in 2-3 years whereas Beane has retained so much flexibility. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Minus the draft class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: This years adjusted cap is the 2018 cap (188,200,000) plus last years rollover. Right now they are only projecting this years cap for next years numbers. The Bills actual cap for next year will increase by the raising of the cap for all teams for 2020 plus whatever rollover the Bills will have. You are right, it should be about 20 million more (10 in increase and 10 or so rollover.) So if the Bills never signed another player this year their rollover would be $33 mil, plus the yearly adjustment?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: IMO Whaley wasn't a bad GM, just not a good GM. He looked at signing individual players and did pretty good. What he didn't do is put a team together. Beane with his vision I think is much better. It was time for Whaley to go...........but it's been said many times before that he never had the choice of HC and he also had a grass green owner who created a very tough situation for him. The road to failure is paved with excuses though and to some extent Whaley is responsible for not carving out a sweeter spot for himself. I think as a pure personnel man he's probably much better than Beane...........it might even be an unfair comparison.........Whaley is a scout by trade and Beane is an office man by trade. But Beane is also a MUCH better situation to work in.........a situation he and McD surely worked hard to set up..........and he's much, much better at handling the other GM responsibilities outside of just scouting. The days of GM's who can hide on the scouting trail are over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah the narrative that they were horribly cap managed under Whaley is mostly fiction. The doozie contract was the one given Dareus that didn't include clauses for personal conduct...........and that was totally on Terry Pegula for giving a sweetheart deal to Dareus' agent and former Pegula employee Todd France........not on Whaley. There was a giddiness within the organization that winter and some bad deals were made but you could certainly argue that the current regime has been careless with vast assets as well with the lopsided contract to Lotulelei.......throwing away money on the unnecessary Wood extension.......the very price one week rental on Corey Coleman..........basically an 0-9 UFA season last winter........not exactly flawless execution. But Whaley signing Lorax and Zach Brown and watching them produce 16.5 sacks and 200 tackles for a paltry $5M combined...........acquired Taylor for peanuts in UFA..........got Incognito extra cheapo...........yeah that guy was just always so awful with money. Not saying the prior regime didn't make their share of cap mistakes but McDermott and Beane simply wanted to quickly flip the roster and that gets expensive wrt dead money when you have a veteran team like they inherited. Yeah, that veteran team that hadn't done diddly poo. It's amazing the conjecture and opinion you throw out as fact -- now we hear that Whaley was good with the cap and the Dareus contract was a Pegula favor to Todd France! This is priceless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: It was time for Whaley to go...........but it's been said many times before that he never had the choice of HC and he also had a grass green owner who created a very tough situation for him. The road to failure is paved with excuses though and to some extent Whaley is responsible for not carving out a sweeter spot for himself. I think as a pure personnel man he's probably much better than Beane...........it might even be an unfair comparison.........Whaley is a scout by trade and Beane is an office man by trade. But Beane is also a MUCH better situation to work in.........a situation he and McD surely worked hard to set up..........and he's much, much better at handling the other GM responsibilities outside of just scouting. The days of GM's who can hide on the scouting trail are over. Whaley was a better scout Beane is a guy who understand the concept of hiring good scouts to do that job and he oversee's everything and is involved in everything. I like the Beane model better 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So if the Bills never signed another player this year their rollover would be $33 mil, plus the yearly adjustment?? Yes. FWIW, Beane says he likes to keep enough money going into camp to have flexibility. That number seems to be in the teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Whaley was a better scout Beane is a guy who understand the concept of hiring good scouts to do that job and he oversee's everything and is involved in everything. I like the Beane model better Exactly - like professional leaders and managers. Hire the best team possible and let them do their jobs to the strategy established by Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Next year we'll pry look at extnding T. White. Maybe Layson, Hyde, and Poyer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Whaley was a better scout Beane is a guy who understand the concept of hiring good scouts to do that job and he oversee's everything and is involved in everything. I like the Beane model better 4 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Exactly - like professional leaders and managers. Hire the best team possible and let them do their jobs to the strategy established by Beane. I don't care what your job is CEO of a Fortune 500 company, NFL GM, or a ditch digger, there will always be parts of everyone's job that they enjoy more than other parts and tend to do a better job at that part, it's the fun part. For Whaley, I too think it was the scouting part, which may have caused the business part to suffer as a result and not get as much attention as needed. Always thought that was true of John Butler too. he enjoyed the scouting part and tended to often over pay for players as he didn't have the time or desire to spend on the negotiation part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I don't care what your job is CEO of a Fortune 500 company, NFL GM, or a ditch digger, there will always be parts of everyone's job that they enjoy more than other parts and tend to do a better job at that part, it's the fun part. For Whaley, I too think it was the scouting part, which may have caused the business part to suffer as a result and not get as much attention as needed. Always thought that was true of John Butler too. he enjoyed the scouting part and tended to often over pay for players as he didn't have the time or desire to spend on the negotiation part. All of this is true Still it is very refreshing to know that our Cap situation is now in hand not just this year but for future years because we have a GM that DOES negotiate these contracts and not overspend...... We are way under the cap after signing 10 free agents...... and We will go into next year STILL in a very good cap situation to continue to add is we wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, foreboding said: This is great. Jets make a splash but never learn, they will be right back here in 2-3 years whereas Beane has retained so much flexibility. Normally I would say just looking at this graph without context, we aren't in great shape when you see the teams we are lumped in with. However, take into account the Lions - theirs was one basically one player - the raiders had 3 players (including AB), we had 9 players. The Jets spent that on Bell and an ILB = not good. They are still in great cap shape, but are overpaying to get players to go there imo Edited March 19, 2019 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 i think we have 25+ players that their contracts expire next year. Should be interesting what beane will do next season, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Next year we'll pry look at extnding T. White. Maybe Layson, Hyde, and Poyer as well. My feelings exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Next year we'll pry look at extnding T. White. Maybe Layson, Hyde, and Poyer as well. I don’t think there is any question that we have become better at managing the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Normally I would say just looking at this graph without context, we aren't in great shape when you see the teams we are lumped in with. However, take into account the Lions - theirs was one basically one player - the raiders had 3 players (including AB), we had 9 players. The Jets spent that on Bell and an ILB = not good. They are still in great cap shape, but are overpaying to get players to go there imo Graphs .. who needs them. Let teams make the BIG splash on 1, 2, or 3 guys. I'm happy with at least 7 of the 9 signings. (I'm discounting the 1 year deals) 62 players IIRC on the team. The 30 something needed players for 2020 is now around a 16? AND $76 Mil !!! Edited March 20, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Thanks to Rex Ryan.... who was hired by Pegula.?? Oh the Pegulas have been far from perfect but at least one gets the sense they are now staying out of the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Nice job with the signings and cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 @Reed83HOF FYI, Waddle's # is posted. They have some very cap friendly #s for both Nsekhe and Waddle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) All contracts are in 2019: 2020: Edited March 20, 2019 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 16 hours ago, bkep32 said: i think we have 25+ players that their contracts expire next year. Should be interesting what beane will do next season, as well. The only serious issue they will have is DLine, as Hughes contract expires, JPhillips is on a 1-year, and they have to decide about Lawson. Makes a pass-rusher all that more important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 hours ago, eball said: Oh the Pegulas have been far from perfect but at least one gets the sense they are now staying out of the way. The Pegula's were new to being football owners.......and they did what they thought was the right thing to do in supposidly bringing in a "big fish" of the head coaches available Little did they realize Rex Ryan was just here collecting a paycheck....then brought his brother in to collect a pay check....these guys did not put NEARLY the the hours in that requires a great coach because well....in their mind we were lucky to have them and they were collecting a paycheck I cant fault the Pegulas for this....it looks like they are learning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, TPS said: The only serious issue they will have is DLine, as Hughes contract expires, JPhillips is on a 1-year, and they have to decide about Lawson. Makes a pass-rusher all that more important. Which is exactly why no one should be surprised to see us grab DL in this draft and a draft that is pretty damn deep for this position. I almost feel like this is the first time most people on this board are overall in agreement with our needs and there is relatively little debate on who should be picked (DK being the biggest one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Which is exactly why no one should be surprised to see us grab DL in this draft and a draft that is pretty damn deep for this position. I almost feel like this is the first time most people on this board are overall in agreement with our needs and there is relatively little debate on who should be picked (DK being the biggest one) LOL Please pass the joint my way.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: LOL Please pass the joint my way.... With the exception of DK I should say... My point is most people seem to agree with DL/OL/TE/WR and there are a lack of strong disagreements over the prospects (Again, except DK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: With the exception of DK I should say... My point is most people seem to agree with DL/OL/TE/WR and there are a lack of strong disagreements over the prospects (Again, except DK) I would add LB and RB to your list for the top 6 picks. A couple of notes: 1. Dead Cap Money is at 7.5 million (4.5 for Clay). Even if Vlad/Ivory/ a few others are cut they should stay under 10 which will be under league average. 2. I expect at least another 2 or so FA / Trade moves yet to be made before the draft. That might affect the draft needs. 3. Next player to be displaced on the top 51 is Siran Neal at 641k. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: With the exception of DK I should say... My point is most people seem to agree with DL/OL/TE/WR and there are a lack of strong disagreements over the prospects (Again, except DK) I know ..... I was just joking that the majority of TBD is never in agreement 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 On 3/12/2019 at 11:01 AM, whatdrought said: Fingers crossed for Daryl Williams, Stefen Wisinewski (or TJ Lang), and Ziggy Ansah. Daryl or Ziggy or both.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) Up to date: Estimate$10 million for rookies (whose contracts may not all count towards the top 51) that leaves us with about $22 million left. Imagine rolling $20 million over into next years cap ($95 million) plus cap increase amount. Edited March 30, 2019 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Up to date: Estimate$10 million for rookies (whose contracts may not all count towards the top 51) that leaves us with about $22 million left. Imagine rolling $20 million over into next years cap ($95 million) plus cap increase amount. Yes, the rookies’ salaries add no more than $4 mil to the 51, which will be offset when they let ducasse and bodine go. Edited March 30, 2019 by TPS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, TPS said: Yes, the rookies’ salaries add no more than $4 mil to the 51, which will be offset when they let ducasse and bodine go. Bodine probably goes to camp as insurance. I've been hoping a FA/Draft pick combination C/G knocks him out as depth. I can't wait for the day Vlad is cut! Beane has plenty of dollars for another good FA or to "buy" a player or two from a cap strapped team. He will have plenty of cash next year to start re-signing keepers and for some specific FA's. Things are looking good in the money/player department. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Bodine probably goes to camp as insurance. I've been hoping a FA/Draft pick combination C/G knocks him out as depth. I can't wait for the day Vlad is cut! Beane has plenty of dollars for another good FA or to "buy" a player or two from a cap strapped team. He will have plenty of cash next year to start re-signing keepers and for some specific FA's. Things are looking good in the money/player department. Long is a C/G, so they probably drop bodine even if long starts at one of the G spots. Bodine offers no flexibility as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, TPS said: Long is a C/G, so they probably drop bodine even if long starts at one of the G spots. Bodine offers no flexibility as a backup. This will prob adjust when if we sign spain but they will probably cut bodibe at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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