3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: This would, historically, be a new but typical way for the Bills to abuse the wasteland that has been TE on their roster. Is it really this difficult to find an actual TE who is better than barely mediocre?? If the Bills are still planning not to make the TE position an offensive threat (again), then just stick with the crew they already have under contract and call it a day. They put six on the line even at midfield. With a real O line man (context ) becoming a real threat to option to is awesome in Dabolls book (guessing) the questions are Can he chip block well ? He sure could learn. Pick up a blitz? Probably better than many TEs and defend it better Read the defense pre snap? possibly. actually catch ? hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: i don't even think that is how they play the game. They will draft as close to BPA as possible even when trading around. Best Value coincides with best player for them. FA is not the solve generally. it is for time to develop draft picks and potential gems. That i why is was so pleased with Morse. Biggest need and great fit. and now back to Bills regularly scheduled programming ( method ) they should pick him up because he is athletic and smart. McBeanes style Kelvin Benjamin says....."uhhhhhhhhhh?" Just now, 3rdand12 said: They put six on the line even at midfield. With a real O line man (context ) becoming a real threat to option to is awesome in Dabolls book (guessing) the questions are Can he chip block well ? He sure could learn. Pick up a blitz? Probably better than many TEs and defend it better Read the defense pre snap? possibly. actually catch ? hmm The point is that there are actually real TEs out there, no need to go with a gimmick TE. If he was a great blocker, he would still be an actual O-lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The point is that there are actually real TEs out there, no need to go with a gimmick TE. If he was a great blocker, he would still be an actual O-lineman. Well I think that a bad olineman is still going to be a better and more experienced blocker than most TE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Kelvin Benjamin says....."uhhhhhhhhhh?" we all make mistakes in FA. sometimes when trading Beane said the same thing in time. just took him a bit longer to admit it. McBeanes is setting a trend about smart flexible players. Players who know what the rest of the team is doing and why. Hence the ancient latin meaning of Team. intertwined, connected. symbiotic okay i made some of that up. still think he would be a nice guy to check into 2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: GUESS WHO!!! : ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/2/2019 at 11:31 AM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would rather have a OT who converted to TE than a WR. At least you know the converted OT can do one thing very good. Converted WR's that try to be TE's look like KB and Croom. I would rather go with the OT converting to TE or my favorite the Antonio Gates way, I'm surprised more power forwards aren't scouted more to try out as a TE. Me too. There's no way a former offensive tackle is going to be able to run fast enough to gain separation as a receiver. Oh, you mean a WR to TE conversion. I don't know that I agree. I have no problem with Croom. He's not a great blocker, but he's improved on it. Looking ahead, Buffalo is going into the season with two tight ends that are good at catching the ball in Kroft and Croom. Kroft is also a solid blocker. If they sign Fisher, he'll almost certainly be more of a blocking tight end than a pass catcher. That would give them the ability to line up with two strong blockers at TE or two strong pass catchers. I think they will add a TE in the draft too. I don't think it will be Hockenson or Fant. I'm hoping for Josh Oliver. He's a pretty good receiver with a lot of athleticism, even though he's still raw. Moreover he's a decent blocker, though he's got room for improvement there too. He wouldn't get a lot of time on the field as a rookie, so he'll have time to work on his deficiencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, 3rdand12 said: we all make mistakes in FA. sometimes when trading Beane said the same thing in time. just took him a bit longer to admit it. McBeanes is setting a trend about smart flexible players. Players who know what the rest of the team is doing and why. Hence the ancient latin meaning of Team. intertwined, connected. symbiotic okay i made some of that up. still think he would be a nice guy to check into Other mistakes: AJM, Peterman, Coleman---and those were all made before week 1 of this past season. I think it's myth making to ascribe some sort of "type" to McBeane alone. Every GM/HC feels he has some sort of method or type. Then they play the games and we can all see if this is true or not. Let some team look into a failed OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Other mistakes: AJM, Peterman, Coleman---and those were all made before week 1 of this past season. I think it's myth making to ascribe some sort of "type" to McBeane alone. Every GM/HC feels he has some sort of method or type. Then they play the games and we can all see if this is true or not. Let some team look into a failed OT. I suspect they are young Guys growing into the roles they they now command. trending up. we can argue at what rate of speed i suppose. Lets see how the Draft goes and then what they field come preseason to season season : ) Beanes has shown conservative and aggressive behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 This is still a thing? Give me a real TE if I'm putting one on the field. Otherwise, just March our a 6th OLman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Somebody’s got to take up the TD slack from us losing Kyle. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Sign him for the minimum and bring him in, but still look to add a TE. What could it hurt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 This is a neat story that won’t make it past August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/2/2019 at 12:18 PM, Logic said: This team never really recovered from the loss of Lee Smith. I'd offer him $10million per. So true. We brought Peters in as a tight end and converted him to a tackle. And he became a Pro Bowler. So there you go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 42 minutes ago, Doc said: Sign him for the minimum and bring him in, but still look to add a TE. What could it hurt? To see if a guy who hasn't played TE since high school can now play TE in the NFL? Sure, it would hurt (hurt what, I don't know). But it would be pointless. That's not a convincing reason to bring players in for a team with a specific plan for their offense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: To see if a guy who hasn't played TE since high school can now play TE in the NFL? Sure, it would hurt (hurt what, I don't know). But it would be pointless. That's not a convincing reason to bring players in for a team with a specific plan for their offense... They’re taking a look at him, are they not? And at the minimum or close, there’s no harm signing him. They get to bring 90 players to camp and tons of cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Doc said: They’re taking a look at him, are they not? And at the minimum or close, there’s no harm signing him. They get to bring 90 players to camp and tons of cap room. Why waste one of the 90 spots on a guy who may not even be a TE? Why not use to for a guy who is actually playing the position he has played? Look at their TE corps. This is a meaningful effort at improving that crew? No, it's not of course. So why waste the time and effort in a meaningless exercise? Hey, why not bring in Logan Thomas to workout as a TE?1 Oh, wait... Edited March 22, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Why waste one of the 90 spots on a guy who may not even be a TE? Why not use to for a guy who is actually playing the position he has played? Look at their TE corps. This is a meaningful effort at improving that crew? No, it's not of course. So why waste the time and effort in a meaningless exercise? Hey, why not bring in Logan Thomas to workout as a TE?1 Oh, wait... The Bills have 2 TE's on the roster right now. If they sign him, he'd be 3. At most they'd be drafting one, and then signing another one, or two if they don't sign him. It's not a huge issue. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: The Bills have 2 TE's on the roster right now. If they sign him, he'd be 3. At most they'd be drafting one, and then signing another one, or two if they don't sign him. It's not a huge issue. Exactly. I don’t know why folks are scoffing at this. Why not kick the tires and work this kid out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Well we converted a te into a hall of fame tackle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Tough crowd. It's a blocking tight end who'll be signed for peanuts if at all. EVERYBODY PANIC! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) I saw him a lot in college at Oregon. Great zone blocking, really good at moving and blocking in space. Star tight end and all state de in high school Traverse City MI, in the same year. Agile and athletic for his size. Versatility. Not advocating for or against, I have no idea if he is athletic or talented enough to reinvent himself or what his role would be. Goal line and short yardage options come to mind. Edited March 22, 2019 by Turk71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: So true. We brought Peters in as a tight end and converted him to a tackle. And he became a Pro Bowler. So there you go. Worth remembering that we weren't the only team that wanted him. There were five teams trying to sign him as a UDFA, and not one thought he was going to make it as TE. Peters wanted his hands on the ball, while teams thought correctly that he'd be better at OL. Edited March 22, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Why waste one of the 90 spots on a guy who may not even be a TE? Why not use to for a guy who is actually playing the position he has played? Look at their TE corps. This is a meaningful effort at improving that crew? No, it's not of course. So why waste the time and effort in a meaningless exercise? Hey, why not bring in Logan Thomas to workout as a TE?1 Oh, wait... There's not really such a thing as wasting one of the 90 spots. The last 30 are pure training camp fodder. If there's a shot at it working out, there's no real drawback. And yes, it absolutely is a meaningful effort at improving that crew. Not a guaranteed effort, but absolutely something that might work out. Or might not. But if they think he's got a shot it would absolutely be meaningful. And as for Logan Thomas ... if one guy taking a shot at switching positions fails, does that mean they all will? 9 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: They put six on the line even at midfield. With a real O line man (context ) becoming a real threat to option to is awesome in Dabolls book (guessing) the questions are Can he chip block well ? He sure could learn. Pick up a blitz? Probably better than many TEs and defend it better Read the defense pre snap? possibly. actually catch ? hmm Yeah, he can catch. Here's a quick report on his HS career. "BEFORE OREGON — Standout tight end and defensive lineman for Traverse City West High School, garnered four stars from Scout.com … Rated as the No. 25 offensive tackle prospect nationally by Scout.com and fifth-best overall player in Michigan by Rivals.com … Helped Titans tie for Big North title in 2010, making 68 tackles on defense and grabbing 11 receptions for 232 yards … Selected first-team all-state and all-Big North as a defensive lineman following his senior season … Named second-team All-Big North as a junior tight end." https://goducks.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3976 That's pretty terrific YPC yardage. But will he do a lot of receiving? Probably not, based on his reception totals. Edited March 22, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 They're working him out to see if it's worth inviting him to camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: There's not really such a thing as wasting one of the 90 spots. The last 30 are pure training camp fodder. If there's a shot at it working out, there's no real drawback. And yes, it absolutely is a meaningful effort at improving that crew. Not a guaranteed effort, but absolutely something that might work out. Or might not. But if they think he's got a shot it would absolutely be meaningful. And as for Logan Thomas ... if one guy taking a shot at switching positions fails, does that mean they all will? Yeah, he can catch. Here's a quick report on his HS career. "BEFORE OREGON — Standout tight end and defensive lineman for Traverse City West High School, garnered four stars from Scout.com … Rated as the No. 25 offensive tackle prospect nationally by Scout.com and fifth-best overall player in Michigan by Rivals.com … Helped Titans tie for Big North title in 2010, making 68 tackles on defense and grabbing 11 receptions for 232 yards … Selected first-team all-state and all-Big North as a defensive lineman following his senior season … Named second-team All-Big North as a junior tight end." https://goducks.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3976 That's pretty terrific YPC yardage. But will he do a lot of receiving? Probably not, based on his reception totals. Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Doc said: The Bills have 2 TE's on the roster right now. If they sign him, he'd be 3. At most they'd be drafting one, and then signing another one, or two if they don't sign him. It's not a huge issue. 6 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Exactly. I don’t know why folks are scoffing at this. Why not kick the tires and work this kid out? Because he's not a TE and the Bills just let 2 TE's walk....one a very cheap one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Because he's not a TE and the Bills just let 2 TE's walk....one a very cheap one. He is trying to reinvent himself as a TE. Having him come in for a day to check him out is not a big deal. They're looking for a blocking type TE, so spending a few hours evaluating the guy isn't a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 2:38 PM, YoloinOhio said: The Bills have one TE under contract right now. They need to bring Multiple TEs by the time camp starts and they wont/can’t all be premium FAs and high draft picks. We have two. Kroft and Croom. We need at least two more. I kind of like the Fisher idea if he can pick up a blitz, double team with a T to hold off top edge rushers and also break off to be a 5-6 yd outlet with reliable hands with the the threat of picking up 8-12yds on a regular basis. With the speed we have on the edges, a reliable slot in Beasley and Shady/Gore out of the backfield, Fisher could be the outlet when a play breaks down or when Allen can't find Beasley and doesn't have a clean shot down the field. Keep those chains moving. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: He is trying to reinvent himself as a TE. Having him come in for a day to check him out is not a big deal. They're looking for a blocking type TE, so spending a few hours evaluating the guy isn't a nightmare. They need to be looking for a catching type TE, to "catch up" with the rest of the League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: They need to be looking for a catching type TE, to "catch up" with the rest of the League. Signing this guy won't change their plans. If they wanted to add a bonafide TE, they'll still do so even if they sign him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 First team all-state on Defense AND an OT/TE? This guy can go both ways! He's a Transformer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, hemma said: First team all-state on Defense AND an OT/TE? This guy can go both ways! He's a Transformer! Transformer? Is that the euphemism for it these days? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Signing this guy won't change their plans. If they wanted to add a bonafide TE, they'll still do so even if they sign him. Let other teams sign all the converted TEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Transformer? Is that the euphemism for it these days? Accidental double en ten dre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: They need to be looking for a catching type TE, to "catch up" with the rest of the League. They have two right now. The kid from Cincy has a fairly good resume and Croom I thought looked pretty good last year for a young player. Although it would not surprise me in the slightest if their first pick is the kid from Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They have two right now. The kid from Cincy has a fairly good resume and Croom I thought looked pretty good last year for a young player. Although it would not surprise me in the slightest if their first pick is the kid from Iowa. The kid from Cincy has had a total of 67 catches in 4 years and is coming off an injury to his foot that required surgery. Croom is dating the owner's daughter. That's the TE corps right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The kid from Cincy has had a total of 67 catches in 4 years and is coming off an injury to his foot that required surgery. Croom is dating the owner's daughter. That's the TE corps right now. I could care less who Croom is dating. I thought he showed promise last year, made some good catches. And the kid from Cincy was mired behind Eifert for some of that. As I said it would not surprise me in the least if they draft one on day 1 or 2. But I also try not to wallow in misery like some do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Let other teams sign all the converted TEs. Stop being so dramatic. If they think he can help, they'll sign him and it won't affect their plans to add a TE in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I dunno why they need to meet with this guy. Just convert Dawkins to TE, I mean, he's moving inside to G anyway so why not make him super versatile and get him some reps at TE. He did catch a touchdown pass last season. /s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 18 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: Oh a Patriot fan are we ? I was being facetious. As been told to me before I am "wrong" being okay with the Cheats plane crashing with no survivors. The devil is claiming his early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I am not Fisher but I know him really well and let me tell you I've been working out with him and Brady and Rivers and lots of other QBs and let me tell you this deal with the Bills is gonna get done. Trust me, gonna happen 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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