Report: It is universally believed among NFL execs that Kyler Murray will be drafted #1 by Arizona

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, WideNine said:

 

Karma can be a b1tch.

 

I was never sold on Rosen, but only because I thought he was not the most mobile thing I have seen and he had a pretty exaggerated wind up and took too long to release. I thought it may cause him to take a few sacks, but putting him behind the Card's line only emphasized the issues.

 

Perhaps with better protection he can turn things around, but man... if his pro career keeps going in its current trajectory these words will haunt him for the "next decade or so".

Nah, this is a bad take.  This is the exact attitude you want all your players to have.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Done for good??  Wtf?

 

if they trade him it just means the FO is total chaos.  

 

Correct

 

[BillsSB2020]

1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

Karma can be a b1tch.

 

I was never sold on Rosen, but only because I thought he was not the most mobile thing I have seen and he had a pretty exaggerated wind up and took too long to release. I thought it may cause him to take a few sacks, but putting him behind the Card's line only emphasized the issues.

 

Perhaps with better protection he can turn things around, but man... if his pro career keeps going in its current trajectory these words will haunt him for the "next decade or so".

I don't know which was more shocking; Josh Allen's supreme mobility or Josh Rosen's extreme immobility. If a QB is that limited athletically, he's got to have well above average awareness/ability to slide in the pocket ala Brady and Brees. The Cardinals line was trash, but Rosen didn't appear to have any of that slow man's mobility in the games I watched.

[WideNine]

4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Nah, this is a bad take.  This is the exact attitude you want all your players to have.

 

Attitude yes, but there is such a thing as using your "inside words"

 

What I really like is all the crow those NFL talking heads will have to eat who kept saying "clearly more NFL-ready" about Rosen over Allen.

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Attitude yes, but there is such a thing as using your "inside words"

 

What I really like is all the crow those NFL talking heads will have to eat who kept saying "clearly more NFL-ready" about Rosen over Allen.

 

 

I mean, who cares?  He said how he was feeling, and Cards fans probably loved it.

[Trogdor]

7 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

I don't know which was more shocking; Josh Allen's supreme mobility or Josh Rosen's extreme immobility. If a QB is that limited athletically, he's got to have well above average awareness/ability to slide in the pocket ala Brady and Brees. The Cardinals line was trash, but Rosen didn't appear to have any of that slow man's mobility in the games I watched.

In the games I watched there wasn't anywhere to slide lol. It was like a free pass for the D line all game. If they don't put some emphasis on the line, they will be drafting 1st next year too.

[WideNine]

6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I mean, who cares?  He said how he was feeling, and Cards fans probably loved it.

 

No one cares... it is humorous in its irony.

 

Like a pro player pointing over the fence with his bat and then grounding out and tripping over his own feet on his way to 1st base.

 

Why do you care so much - Rosen fan?

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, WideNine said:

 

No one cares... it is humorous in its irony.

 

Like a pro player pointing over the fence with his bat and then grounding out and tripping over his own feet on his way to 1st base.

 

Why do you care so much - Rosen fan?

Your take is just bad.  The words won't "haunt him for a decade."

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Correct

 

Would you take Murray at #1 GB?  I know you liked Rosen a lot.

[BillsSB2020]

3 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

In the games I watched there wasn't anywhere to slide lol. It was like a free pass for the D line all game. If they don't put some emphasis on the line, they will be drafting 1st next year too.

Could be the case and I'm sure there are plenty of teams with that line of thinking if he really is available. As much as I personally didn't see it in Rosen, I doubt he goes for less than a late first.

[WideNine]

14 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

In the games I watched there wasn't anywhere to slide lol. It was like a free pass for the D line all game. If they don't put some emphasis on the line, they will be drafting 1st next year too.

 

It's not like Allen had a clean pocket to throw from... I believe most stat sites had the Cards and the Bills o-lines rated as worst and next worst.

Edited March 2, 2019 by WideNine

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

He cheated and changed the title.

 

It's all good

[WideNine]

7 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Your take is just bad.  The words won't "haunt him for a decade."

Would you take Murray at #1 GB?  I know you liked Rosen a lot.

 

That was just a play on Rosen's own words that "over the next decade" teams would regret not taking him.

 

If the Cards do draft QB after just one year with Rosen and with a new regime, you have to wonder.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, WideNine said:

It's not like Allen had a clean pocket to throw from... I believe most stat sites had the Bills and Cards o-lines rated as worst and next worst.

 

Allen has mobility, and was known to be mobile (not as mobile as he proved here, but one critique of him was that he'd sense pressure and bail) pre-draft.

 

Rosen was actually a bit more mobile than I thought he was pre-draft, but that's not saying a lot, because pre-draft I thought he was a statue. 

When you draft a statue, you freakin' well better have an OL to protect him or fuhgettabout it.

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

I don't know which was more shocking; Josh Allen's supreme mobility or Josh Rosen's extreme immobility. If a QB is that limited athletically, he's got to have well above average awareness/ability to slide in the pocket ala Brady and Brees. The Cardinals line was trash, but Rosen didn't appear to have any of that slow man's mobility in the games I watched.

 

Rosen's extreme immobility shouldn't have shocked anyone.  Like I said, it was evident pre-draft and was actually not quite as bad as I thought.

 

The scope of Allen's athleticism and rushing ability shocked a lot of folks.  He successfully kept that pretty well hidden pre-draft.

 

Agree that Rosen doesn't seem to have the degree of pocket awareness one would like.

[formerlyofCtown]

I just dont see it unless they can trade Rosen for a top 10 pick.  I see them taking a top defender or trading down.  They may even take Metcalf.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Virgil]

It’s crazy how this works out and I’m glad to see teams not committing to a player just for the sake of previous draft choice. 

 

If Allen looked like crap and there was a guy we thought was the answer, I’d have no problem going QB in round one again. 

 

It’s not about feelings or appearances, it’s about winning 

[WideNine]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

It’s crazy how this works out and I’m glad to see teams not committing to a player just for the sake of previous draft choice. 

 

If Allen looked like crap and there was a guy we thought was the answer, I’d have no problem going QB in round one again. 

 

It’s not about feelings or appearances, it’s about winning 

 

The McBeane certainly are not sentimental about keeping the prior regime picks.

 

Went through the Bills roster like a pipe cleaner.

[BillsSB2020]

48 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

 

 

 

Rosen's extreme immobility shouldn't have shocked anyone.  Like I said, it was evident pre-draft and was actually not quite as bad as I thought.

 

The scope of Allen's athleticism and rushing ability shocked a lot of folks.  He successfully kept that pretty well hidden pre-draft.

 

Agree that Rosen doesn't seem to have the degree of pocket awareness one would like.

I would say the comment regarding immobility had more to do with the personal eye test. He had an AWFUL line, but would also stand there like a sitting duck ala Rob Johnson. I knew he was slow, but he was also projected as the most pro ready.  I expected to see better awareness(again my limited perception.) A QB needn't be athletic to be "mobile" in the pocket. It's been said that Tom Brady is the most "mobile" QB in the NFL with the little shimmies and such. I wouldn't rule out Rosen developing as that would be premature. My OPINION is that he doesn't have what it takes to be a top flight QB. He was actually the QB I wanted in the draft, and fully expect at least one team to chalk it up to rookie season/horrible supporting cast. That also presumes the rumors are true and the Cards take Murray. Time will tell.

[BringBackOrton]

24 minutes ago, Virgil said:

It’s crazy how this works out and I’m glad to see teams not committing to a player just for the sake of previous draft choice. 

 

If Allen looked like crap and there was a guy we thought was the answer, I’d have no problem going QB in round one again. 

 

It’s not about feelings or appearances, it’s about winning 

I mean, if we had the #1 pick, I’d consider Murray too.

[FitzShowUsYourTitz]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No way he gets that much in a trade IMO.  I bet it’s a 2nd rounder at best.  I mean he spent a season sucking, so he won’t get a trade value return near what they invested IMO

 

I would have to agree.  Its EXACTLY like buying a new car, putting 3000 miles on it and trying to sell it a year later.  You drove it off the lot.  

 

With THAT said, the Giants could make a trade for him.  Sitting behind Eli one year for ‘minimal’investment seems like a wise move. 

Edited March 2, 2019 by Fred Marchibroda
Typo

[BillsSB2020]

38 minutes ago, Virgil said:

It’s crazy how this works out and I’m glad to see teams not committing to a player just for the sake of previous draft choice. 

 

If Allen looked like crap and there was a guy we thought was the answer, I’d have no problem going QB in round one again. 

 

It’s not about feelings or appearances, it’s about winning 

Yep. You don't want to be impetuous, but you also don't want to stick with a guy too long. Dolphins should have moved on from RT a few years ago and I believe Tennessee should move on from MM.

[Jay_Fixit]

4 hours ago, Mark80 said:

 

I think the consensus has been more like mid/late 1st or early 2nd.

No chance he’s getting a first.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

The McBeane certainly are not sentimental about keeping the prior regime picks.

 

Went through the Bills roster like a pipe cleaner.

 

Coaches and scouts too.  Part of the problem the pipe cleaner was dirty and left crap behind which needed to be cleaned by next years dirty pipe cleaner ad repeatum.

[Alphadawg7]

yeah, I think Giants, Pats, Saints, Chargers, and maybe even Broncos could make a lot of sense where he can behind established veteran starters a year or two to be groomed to take the reigns.  

[stony]

What incredibly poor asset management this would be by the Cardinals.   

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Kim Jones just reported this live from the Combine. She said no other team believes they have a shot at him. 

 

...whiny, sniveling putz boy is "their Josh problem"........we "got the RIGHT ONE hands down"...............

Edited March 3, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Virgil]

If a 1st this year equals a second next year, then I think they’ll get a 2nd for him. 

 

On talent alone, I’d say a 3rd, but with his cheap contract for the next 4 years and possibly competition between the Giants and Redskins, a 2nd wouldn’t surprise me. 

[FearLess Price]

7 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Giant should be all over this. Rosen sits behind Eli for some or all of year. And going forward they could have a nice trio. Draft a tackle at six. Give cards the second rounder for Rosen. 

 

That would be really cool to watch play out.

[BillsSB2020]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

If a 1st this year equals a second next year, then I think they’ll get a 2nd for him. 

 

On talent alone, I’d say a 3rd, but with his cheap contract for the next 4 years and possibly competition between the Giants and Redskins, a 2nd wouldn’t surprise me. 

Right. The return will largely depend on the number of interested parties as the Cardinals themselves won't have much leverage were they to draft Murray.

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, stony said:

What incredibly poor asset management this would be by the Cardinals.   

 

I disagree.  They needed a QB and many had him as a top guy, myself included. Also, the QB class for this year was unknown.  Kyle wasn’t supposed to be an option. 

 

These things happen and they have to try 

[stony]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

I disagree.  They needed a QB and many had him as a top guy, myself included. Also, the QB class for this year was unknown.  Kyle wasn’t supposed to be an option. 

 

These things happen and they have to try 

Do they?

 

Rosen didn't play poorly under the circumstances.  Selling cheap on him and taking Murray isn't smart IMO. 

[DJB]

11 minutes ago, stony said:

Do they?

 

Rosen didn't play poorly under the circumstances.  Selling cheap on him and taking Murray isn't smart IMO. 

 

You're right about selling Rosen cheap beig a mistake but if Murray is a franchise guy it won't matter

[BillsSB2020]

12 minutes ago, stony said:

Do they?

 

Rosen didn't play poorly under the circumstances.  Selling cheap on him and taking Murray isn't smart IMO. 

It depends. If Rosen doesn't pan out and Murray is a superstar, it's an excellent proactive move.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

33 minutes ago, Virgil said:

If a 1st this year equals a second next year, then I think they’ll get a 2nd for him. 

 

On talent alone, I’d say a 3rd, but with his cheap contract for the next 4 years and possibly competition between the Giants and Redskins, a 2nd wouldn’t surprise me. 

 

..hell I'd be on the horn in a nanosecond to the Deadskins' Boy Danny Snyder......a 1st and a 2nd would be right in his wheel house with Alex on the shelf.......

[stony]

11 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

It depends. If Rosen doesn't pan out and Murray is a superstar, it's an excellent proactive move.

 

 

Well, of course.  But I'm still leaning towards the Cardinals don't want Murray and would instead prefer a huge haul of draft picks for #1.

[aceman_16]

I just got down here in Miami today and am eating at a sport's bar. I have heard two separate Murray to Cards and a trade of Rosen to Miami conversations. It is just so odd hearing a trade of a former top 10 first round QB after his rookie season. I then got to thinking of Allen, Darnold, and Rosen all in the AFCE. Crazy.

Edited March 3, 2019 by aceman_16

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

open mouth, insert foot.

 

I'm loving this. especially after some here last draft were all in on this scrub. one twitter bot in particular was all over his jock and he's gone and it looks like the scrub will be traded off to become another teams scrub back up or maybe he's done for good?

 

karma is a B word josh boy, a real B word. 

 

 

First, this is only a rumor of a guess.

 

And second, even if it happens, Rosen could still very easily be a tremendous success elsewhere. It'll be another two to three years before you get to gloat about this. If  you do.

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

I mean, if we had the #1 pick, I’d consider Murray too.

Murrey might not even be the best in this class.  Id take Mayfield and Allen over him.

12 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Add another team to his list?

What if one of the 9 other teams gets him for a lesser pick.  Then it would appear they will waste a lesser asset on him.

[formerlyofCtown]

12 hours ago, Augie said:

 

But more than that. Everyone realizes he was surrounded by Grade A garbage last season. 

Yes when you surround a B team QB with Grade A garbage it does turn out good.  I am just glad our Josh elevates the play around him.

[Doc]

6 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:

Never heard of this guy, but it makes sense:

 

Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline reports the Redskins have "openly spoken" about trading for Cardinals QB Josh Rosen.

SOURCE: Tony Pauline on Twitter

Mar 2, 2019, 4:38 PM

 

"For what pick?" is the question.

 

5 hours ago, Virgil said:

It’s crazy how this works out and I’m glad to see teams not committing to a player just for the sake of previous draft choice. 

 

If Allen looked like crap and there was a guy we thought was the answer, I’d have no problem going QB in round one again. 

 

It’s not about feelings or appearances, it’s about winning 

 

And if Murray busts?

 

6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Murrey might not even be the best in this class.  Id take Mayfield and Allen over him.

What if one of the 9 other teams gets him for a lesser pick.  Then it would appear they will waste a lesser asset on him.

 

And if he busts...it will still be a waste of an asset.