Adam Schefter: Julian Edelman Is a Hall Of Fame candidate

[Captain Hindsight]

Rediculous to even suggest it. Good ROLE player on a great team. But he is a role player.

 

Does anyone think Kevin Faulk or James White or Wes Welker are hall of famers?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

42 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

In that thinking than Foles should be in the convo.  What a joke.  Sports media is turning into the same bs fake news as the regular news.

don't for get Tuhrod!!!!

 

3 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Rediculous to even suggest it. Good ROLE player on a great team. But he is a role player.

 

Does anyone think Kevin Faulk or James White or Wes Welker are hall of famers?

on the radio yesterday the sports guy said that he thought  Wekler was a better WR.  

[Chicken Boo]

How ridiculous.  

 

They'll be trying to put in Burkhead next.

[Gordio]

Isaac Bruce  just got rejected for the third time & his stats are something like over 1,000 receptions & 15K yards.  I think Edeleman has 400 + catches & 5K yards.  Shefter should put down pipe & stop saying such stupid stuff.  

[mjt328]

Troy Brown

Deion Branch

Wes Welker

Danny Amendola

 

Over the last 20 years, these guys have had equal/greater success in the EXACT same role that we see Julian Edelman play. 

None of these guys has been remotely good outside of Tom Brady and the New England Patriots system.

 

Most of the time, Edelman finds himself matched up against a linebacker in the slot, or totally uncovered for the first 5-6 yards of his route.

His limited skills are a perfect fit for the New England offense, and how Brady has always preferred to attack the defense.  Put him on literally any other team, and he would be lucky to have HALF of the production he's got now.

 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

6 hours ago, row_33 said:

One of the best slot receivers of the last four decades, the playoff triumphs help his cause

 

they don’t let in pass catchers without a lot of thinking first 

 

I'll buy this.

[row_33]

4 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Its not much of an advantage when pretty much everyone is using them.  The only thing I would consider is that may not be the case anymore.

Thought we were talking about Edelman not Welker.  At the moment his numbers dont cut it.

 

your gross bias against him doesn't amount to anything

 

maybe the Electors will take in unsolicited whining from Bills fans about Edelman ripping them to shreds

 

 

13 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

PEDs should not be allowed in the HOF

 

are you even like .01% serious with that statement?

 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Rediculous to even suggest it. Good ROLE player on a great team. But he is a role player.

 

Does anyone think Kevin Faulk or James White or Wes Welker are hall of famers?

Yeah, this is just heat of the moment stuff.  Even if he was a cheap shoting little punk who used PEDs, he shouldn’t get in.  He’s not even as good as Wes Welker and there’s no way he is getting in.  Does anyone really think Cole Beasley won’t be good catching 5 yard passes from Brady?

 

AS is great at breaking news but his opinions are sometimes terrible.  

[formerlyofCtown]

46 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

your gross bias against him doesn't amount to anything

 

maybe the Electors will take in unsolicited whining from Bills fans about Edelman ripping them to shreds

 

 

 

are you even like .01% serious with that statement?

 

Gross bias?  LMAO since when does 499 receptions 5390 yards and 30 TDs in 9 seasons get you into the hall of fame.

Im not even sure Welker gets into the HOF.

A HOF WR we all know took a bit to get in had, 951 rec, 13198 yrds and 87 TDs.

He still has time though.

Edited February 5, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[row_33]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

Troy Brown

Deion Branch

Wes Welker

Danny Amendola

 

Over the last 20 years, these guys have had equal/greater success in the EXACT same role that we see Julian Edelman play. 

None of these guys has been remotely good outside of Tom Brady and the New England Patriots system.

 

Most of the time, Edelman finds himself matched up against a linebacker in the slot, or totally uncovered for the first 5-6 yards of his route.

His limited skills are a perfect fit for the New England offense, and how Brady has always preferred to attack the defense.  Put him on literally any other team, and he would be lucky to have HALF of the production he's got now.

 

 

Surname of Branch means you NEVER get your props for the vertical game with Brady or The Snake.    

 

[dave mcbride]

14 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I have no issues with that 

Then you'd be getting rid of most of the league because I assure you that HGH use is rampant. There's a reason the league doesn't test for it -- it's unparalleled at accelerating the healing of muscle tears, and countless NFL players suffer such tears (relatively minor but still debilitating) every week. Without it, tons more players would be injured every week of the season. 

[Gugny]

6 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

That said, and I can’t believe I am saying this, but I believe part of the reason why this is coming up....honestly, is because Edelman is white.

 

My initial thought was that it's because he's Jewish.  Perhaps Schefter got caught up with Edelman being the first, ever Jewish Super Bowl MVP and let his imagination run a little too wild before pressing send.

[row_33]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Then you'd be getting rid of most of the league because I assure you that HGH use is rampant. There's a reason the league doesn't test for it -- it's unparalleled at accelerating the healing of muscle tears, and countless NFL players suffer such tears (relatively minor but still debilitating) every week. Without it, tons more players would be injured every week of the season. 

 

i have no trouble accepting that every player in the NFL has been using something since 1960, maybe the punters aren't.

 

to point the finger at someone for using is the worst form of hypocrisy if you have any football heroes....

 

 

it helped the Pats by letting him sit out an extra four weeks to heal and not risk injury

 

 

[MJS]

He doesn't have anywhere near the required stats. No possible chance he ever sniffs the HOF. Plus, once Brady retires he'll fade into obscurity.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Then you'd be getting rid of most of the league because I assure you that HGH use is rampant. There's a reason the league doesn't test for it -- it's unparalleled at accelerating the healing of muscle tears, and countless NFL players suffer such tears (relatively minor but still debilitating) every week. Without it, tons more players would be injured every week of the season. 

Why aren’t other guys testing positive though?  I mean I know part of the reason (you ever given the dates of the test well in advance).  

 

But as someone who never ever need to take roids or PEDs and played with guys who did, it sucks.  You shouldn’t have to be pressured into taking things if you don’t want to.  At the same time, I do get the injury recovery part.  

[row_33]

29 minutes ago, MJS said:

He doesn't have anywhere near the required stats. No possible chance he ever sniffs the HOF. Plus, once Brady retires he'll fade into obscurity.

 

i thought he was a thing for more than 4.5 seasons to date.

 

He needs another 4 more years of this.

 

[dave mcbride]

14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Why aren’t other guys testing positive though?  I mean I know part of the reason (you ever given the dates of the test well in advance).  

 

But as someone who never ever need to take roids or PEDs and played with guys who did, it sucks.  You shouldn’t have to be pressured into taking things if you don’t want to.  At the same time, I do get the injury recovery part.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2017/09/25/why-nfls-first-positive-hgh-tests-deserve-more-attention/#187e32c5663d

 

Re 10 to 40 percent, I'd put it on the upper end and even probably above 40. At the end of the day, the NFL really can't go after HGH use in a serious way. That's because of the nature of the sport itself. I don't even have a problem with it given that I think it's effective medicine for people whose occupation requires in participating in the equivalent of multiple car wrecks every Sunday for 5-6 months.

Edited February 5, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Jay_Fixit]

He isn’t.

 

Only because he isn’t though.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

No but i love his tenacity on the field and hope we can get a player like him.

 

And he knows how to score

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

My initial thought was that it's because he's Jewish.  Perhaps Schefter got caught up with Edelman being the first, ever Jewish Super Bowl MVP and let his imagination run a little too wild before pressing send.

 

Jeepers, Gugny, I didn't even know that he was jewish.

 

Man, the first gray, bald, overweight Italian guy with bad eyes that becomes MVP of the SB is getting me as his first vote into Canton.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, row_33 said:

are you even like .01% serious with that statement?

Only the Shady Shadow knows

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Then you'd be getting rid of most of the league because I assure you that HGH use is rampant. There's a reason the league doesn't test for it -- it's unparalleled at accelerating the healing of muscle tears, and countless NFL players suffer such tears (relatively minor but still debilitating) every week. Without it, tons more players would be injured every week of the season. 

Let me expound ....   

 

If prescribed by an NFL doctor in the correct dosages then I have leniency.   Roidragers like Romanowski do not deserve to be in the HOF.  

 

Roidelman is in the abuser group. 

 

 

Edited February 5, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Only the Shady Shadow knows

Let me expound ....   

 

If prescribed by an NFL doctor in the correct dosages then I have leniency.   Roidragers like Romanowski do not deserve to be in the HOF.  

 

Roidelman is in the abuser group. 

 

 

I don't know what he took. I'm guessing it was something to help him come back from the fallow/lying low period that accompanies an ACL tear. 

Edited February 5, 2019 by dave mcbride

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I don't know what he took. I'm guessing it was something to help him come back from the fallow/lying low period that accompanies an ACL tear. 

Seeing how the NFL suspended him... I'd say it wasn't NFL sanctioned. 

 

 

I am well aware the uses of roids to help heal but it shouldn't be abused

 

[Mark92]

This is ridiculous!  A three time super bowl champion and an MVP of one of them.  He is the best slot receiver in the game and almost everyone here is saying he is not a HOF player?  Look past the Jersey and watch the film.  He is an all day HOF player.  You can hate someone and respect them at the same time.  

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

This is ridiculous!  A three time super bowl champion and an MVP of one of them.  He is the best slot receiver in the game and almost everyone here is saying he is not a HOF player?  Look past the Jersey and watch the film.  He is an all day HOF player.  You can hate someone and respect them at the same time.  

he's not at all.  HOFers are made during the regular season year after year, capped off by good playoff runs.  they guy doesn't have close to hall of fame numbers, and as mentioned before, he could play another 10 years and may not.  as good as he is, he doesn't deserve to be in this conversation.  if the wasn't on the pats, he wouldn't even be in this conversation.  

[Mark92]

19 hours ago, MJS said:

He doesn't have anywhere near the required stats. No possible chance he ever sniffs the HOF. Plus, once Brady retires he'll fade into obscurity.

So the second highest leading receiving yards in post season NFL history, 3 SB titles and one SB MVP isn't good enough?  If he was a Bill you would think different.  Once again it's OK to hate someone and respect them as well.  

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

So the second highest leading receiving yards in post season NFL history, 3 SB titles and one SB MVP isn't good enough?  If he was a Bill you would think different.  Once again it's OK to hate someone and respect them as well.  

he's on the pats.  they go on the regular.  the mvp is great, but his entire body of work isn't hof material.  maybe you just don't understand what it takes to get in.  

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

So the second highest leading receiving yards in post season NFL history, 3 SB titles and one SB MVP isn't good enough?  If he was a Bill you would think different.  Once again it's OK to hate someone and respect them as well.  

 

No I wouldn't think differently if he was a Bill.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

No I wouldn't think differently if he was a Bill.

 

......how about Robert Royal then??..........

[Mark92]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

he's on the pats.  they go on the regular.  the mvp is great, but his entire body of work isn't hof material.  maybe you just don't understand what it takes to get in.  

LOL........ you're right, I clearly have no idea what I am talking about.  My bad thinking a New England Patriot can make the hall of fame.  Look past the f***ing Jersey and your hang up on regular season numbers.  His numbers during the season are respectable but it's his consistent playoff and big game numbers that will get him in. 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Mark92 said:

LOL........ you're right, I clearly have no idea what I am talking about.  My bad thinking a New England Patriot can make the hall of fame.  Look past the f***ing Jersey and your hang up on regular season numbers.  His numbers during the season are respectable but it's his consistent playoff and big game numbers that will get him in. 

 

Why should you have to look past regular season numbers? If you have to look past that, you don't deserve the HOF. That's the point.

 

Now, if in 4-5 seasons he has doubled his stats, then we can talk. He's not anywhere close.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

20 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

This is ridiculous!  A three time super bowl champion and an MVP of one of them.  He is the best slot receiver in the game and almost everyone here is saying he is not a HOF player?  Look past the Jersey and watch the film.  He is an all day HOF player.  You can hate someone and respect them at the same time.  

Super Bowl MVP honors are not always given to the right person or group of men.   

 

The INT that saved the game or the RB that scored the only TD.  

 

18 minutes ago, teef said:

he's not at all.  HOFers are made during the regular season year after year, capped off by good playoff runs.  they guy doesn't have close to hall of fame numbers, and as mentioned before, he could play another 10 years and may not.  as good as he is, he doesn't deserve to be in this conversation.  if the wasn't on the pats, he wouldn't even be in this conversation.  

Hogan would be a HoFer because of last season's performance when PEdelman was out 

 

yeah I'm biased, but I see the muscle bulges and think  Steroids 

[Mark92]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Why should you have to look past regular season numbers? If you have to look past that, you don't deserve the HOF. That's the point.

 

Now, if in 4-5 seasons he has doubled his stats, then we can talk. He's not anywhere close.

 

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Super Bowl MVP honors are not always given to the right person or group of men.   

 

The INT that saved the game or the RB that scored the only TD.  

 

The Patriots hate is strong in here..... As it should be.  I never said to look past his regular season numbers.  Truth is most players only have regular season numbers.  Edelman has both and his post season numbers will get him in.  There will come a point where a lot of these Patriots are going to make their way in because of the postseason accomplishments.  

[Just Joshin']

10 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

LOL........ you're right, I clearly have no idea what I am talking about.  My bad thinking a New England Patriot can make the hall of fame.  Look past the f***ing Jersey and your hang up on regular season numbers.  His numbers during the season are respectable but it's his consistent playoff and big game numbers that will get him in. 

How does he compare vs Green, Brown, Jones, etc?  Is his production that much above his peers?

 

The regular season is what gets you in the HOF conversation.  The playoffs are a bonus.

[MJS]

6 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

 

The Patriots hate is strong in here..... As it should be.  I never said to look past his regular season numbers.  Truth is most players only have regular season numbers.  Edelman has both and his post season numbers will get him in.  There will come a point where a lot of these Patriots are going to make their way in because of the postseason accomplishments.  

 

You literally said to look past his regular season numbers. That's why I said that.

 

It has nothing to do with Patriots hate. Should Gronk be a hall of famer? Absolutely! Should Brady be a hall of famer? Yes he should. I have no problem with putting great players with great stats in the hall, regardless of their team. Edelman is not one of those players that deserve it.

[teef]

18 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

LOL........ you're right, I clearly have no idea what I am talking about.  My bad thinking a New England Patriot can make the hall of fame.  Look past the f***ing Jersey and your hang up on regular season numbers.  His numbers during the season are respectable but it's his consistent playoff and big game numbers that will get him in. 

it has zero to do with the jersey.  it's you who wants to push that nonsense narrative.  again, it's what you do again and again in the regular season.  he's numbers aren't even in the ball park.  this isn't my opinion.  there was a talk on just this on sirius nfl.   the men who actually vote on the hof inductions thought it was absurd that this was even being brought up.  look at his entire body of work.  it's not a hof career, even if he has been great in the playoffs.

[Mark92]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

 

You literally said to look past his regular season numbers. That's why I said that.

 

It has nothing to do with Patriots hate. Should Gronk be a hall of famer? Absolutely! Should Brady be a hall of famer? Yes he should. I have no problem with putting great players with great stats in the hall, regardless of their team. Edelman is not one of those players that deserve it

I literally said to get past your hang up on them not to completely toss them out.  He's a HOF player in my book and in a lot of people's book.  We can agree to disagree.  

[teef]

13 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

 

The Patriots hate is strong in here..... As it should be.  I never said to look past his regular season numbers.  Truth is most players only have regular season numbers.  Edelman has both and his post season numbers will get him in.  There will come a point where a lot of these Patriots are going to make their way in because of the postseason accomplishments.  

no he doesn't.  post season accomplishment won't get you in on their own.  the only reason his numbers are so good in the post season is because the pats go constantly.  i'm willing to bet hogan's numbers aren't terrible in the post season either.  

Just now, Mark92 said:

I literally said to get past your hang up on them not to completely toss them out.  He's a HOF player in my book and in a lot of people's book.  We can agree to disagree.  

it's easier for most of us to know you're wrong, and just accept it.

[row_33]

Just now, teef said:

no he doesn't.  post season accomplishment won't get you in on their own.  the only reason his numbers are so good in the post season is because the pats go constantly.  i'm willing to bet hogan's numbers aren't terrible in the post season either.  

 

Julie needs another 4-5 years to qualify.

 

 

But then again baseball let Harold Baines in, so anything might get you in in five years.  

 

Hoops lets anybody in.

[Mark92]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

no he doesn't.  post season accomplishment won't get you in on their own.  the only reason his numbers are so good in the post season is because the pats go constantly.  i'm willing to bet hogan's numbers aren't terrible in the post season either.  

it's easier for most of us to know you're wrong, and just accept it.

I forgot it's impossible to have an opinion on this board.  Either drink the cool aid or be ridiculed.