aristocrat Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Bill Parcells,Bud Grant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Defense CAN win championships...but in todays NFL...it usually doesn't. One or two great defensive performance in the last decade do not prove defense wins championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 And everyone is looking for the next Mcvay... he got schooled big time tonight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I admit I was wrong about defense not mattering anymore, but Goff was exposed today. He is not a great QB. He is a good QB who can be enhanced by a great coach. He missed a lot of throws today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I feel like if the saints played in this game, they woulda won by 30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I feel like people are going to make up a bunch of ***** to try and prop up their theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: I feel like people are going to make up a bunch of ***** to try and prop up their theories. When was the last time a number one offense won the super bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: And everyone is looking for the next Mcvay... he got schooled big time tonight. Belichick made him look like a chump. A complete Stanley Steamer of a coaching job by Mcvay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I admit I was wrong about defense not mattering anymore, but Goff was exposed today. He is not a great QB. He is a good QB who can be enhanced by a great coach. He missed a lot of throws today. I agree to a certain extent. Goff isn’t as bad as he looked tonight. I fully put this 100% on McVay. He was out coached all game. Goff is productive in that scheme, problem is the patriots knew the scheme in and out and mr creative apparently didn’t have anything new to run. We have seen lots of great quarterbacks look like trash when they get hit repeatedly and while Goff isn’t great by any means he never stood a chance. He got blasted all game long. I have watched quite a few ram games this year and that just didn’t look like the same team. Barely no screen passes, all the non stop play actions when everyone in the stadium knew they weren’t gonna run the ball. Did they even have a tight end? Never seen Everett or Higbee that game. Cant check down to the running backs when they’re swallowed up in play action. Just a terrible game plan by mcvay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: Defense CAN win championships...but in todays NFL...it usually doesn't. One or two great defensive performance in the last decade do not prove defense wins championships. All the lols 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: When was the last time a number one offense won the super bowl? I'm a defense wins championships kind of guy. I'm also too lazy to check on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, Rc2catch said: I agree to a certain extent. Goff isn’t as bad as he looked tonight. I fully put this 100% on McVay. He was out coached all game. Goff is productive in that scheme, problem is the patriots knew the scheme in and out and mr creative apparently didn’t have anything new to run. We have seen lots of great quarterbacks look like trash when they get hit repeatedly and while Goff isn’t great by any means he never stood a chance. He got blasted all game long. I have watched quite a few ram games this year and that just didn’t look like the same team. Barely no screen passes, all the non stop play actions when everyone in the stadium knew they weren’t gonna run the ball. Did they even have a tight end? Never seen Everett or Higbee that game. Cant check down to the running backs when they’re swallowed up in play action. Just a terrible game plan by mcvay True, but man was Cooks open for a loooong time on that end zone pass. That should have been an easy six. I saw Goff late and not there at all on a lot of open receivers. Painful to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I admit I was wrong about defense not mattering anymore, but Goff was exposed today. He is not a great QB. He is a good QB who can be enhanced by a great coach. He missed a lot of throws today. Tonight was on McVay. 100%. Pure and simple. His gamplan sucked. His play calling sucked. His adjustments sucked. Of anything Goff was held back tonight by a complete coaching bottle job. McVay was like a deer in headlights. He froze. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Defense wins... but why is it never the same defenses, but usually the same offenses? hopefully Allen gets good so fans don’t have to fall back on the “defense” belief to help compesate for never having an offense. hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Tonight was on McVay. 100%. Pure and simple. His gamplan sucked. His play calling sucked. His adjustments sucked. Of anything Goff was held back tonight by a complete coaching bottle job. McVay was like a deer in headlights. He froze. I agree that McVay got schooled. Belichick just strengthened his argument as more important than Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Tonight was on McVay. 100%. Pure and simple. His gamplan sucked. His play calling sucked. His adjustments sucked. Of anything Goff was held back tonight by a complete coaching bottle job. McVay was like a deer in headlights. He froze. Bb has done it too many times to blame on Mcvay. Did it against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Tonight was on McVay. 100%. Pure and simple. His gamplan sucked. His play calling sucked. His adjustments sucked. Of anything Goff was held back tonight by a complete coaching bottle job. McVay was like a deer in headlights. He froze. Players still play the game. Goff missed an easy 6 and then threw an absolutely horrible INT with the game on the line. McVay wasn't good but Goff sucked. Edited February 4, 2019 by CoudyBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: When was the last time a number one offense won the super bowl? Not sure about that, but I do know the number of points scored to win the last decade of Superbowls was really high...41, 34, 24 ,28, 43, 34, 21, 31, 31, 27. Of those, 7 of those games had offenses that were lead by likely Hall of fame QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Vegetables Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 It seems like it depends on the time of season for defenses to dominate. The refs throw a lot of unnecessary flags in the regular season (especially early weeks) that heavily favors the offense. The playoffs prove to be the opposite, as we’ve seen multiple non-call situations that give the defenses the edge and opportunity to play aggressive. I have no stats to back this up and I’m in favor of letting the players play, just observations from watching games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Defense wins... but why is it never the same defenses, but usually the same offenses? hopefully Allen gets good so fans don’t have to fall back on the “defense” belief to help compesate for never having an offense. hopefully. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Defense wins... but why is it never the same defenses, but usually the same offenses? hopefully Allen gets good so fans don’t have to fall back on the “defense” belief to help compesate for never having an offense. hopefully. Because it takes more pieces to have a great D and that means paying more guys. Get a top QB you will have a great offense. That is easier to maintain cos it is pay 1 guy. 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: Bb has done it too many times to blame on Mcvay. Did it against us. Indeed. Belichick is a genius. But man McVay screwed up tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: True, but man was Cooks open for a loooong time on that end zone pass. That should have been an easy six. I saw Goff late and not there at all on a lot of open receivers. Painful to watch. Yeah he was super late on that one for sure. Very disappointing game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, CoudyBills said: Players still play the game. Goff missed an easy 6 and then threw an absolutely horrible INT with the game on the line. McVay was good but Goff sucked. McVay was good??? I suggest you watch the all 22 as soon as it is available. He really, really wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: McVay was good??? I suggest you watch the all 22 as soon as it is available. He really, really wasn't. You have already seen the all 22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Players still play the game. Goff missed an easy 6 and then threw an absolutely horrible INT with the game on the line. McVay wasn't good but Goff sucked. And Brady's pass to Gronk near the goal line was gorgeous and it set up an easy TD. Still need a QB who can throw the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: McVay was good??? I suggest you watch the all 22 as soon as it is available. He really, really wasn't. Both he and Goff choked hard on their own vomit Just now, Nextmanup said: And Brady's pass to Gronk near the goal line was gorgeous and it set up an easy TD. Still need a QB who can throw the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Because it takes more pieces to have a great D and that means paying more guys. Get a top QB you will have a great offense. That is easier to maintain cos it is pay 1 guy. Yep. People act like defense wins championships means defenses pitch shutouts. It simply means defenses make some plays to slow the other offense down. 2 high powered offenses face off, 1 defense makes 4 stops while another make 2 who wins? 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: McVay was good??? I suggest you watch the all 22 as soon as it is available. He really, really wasn't. I meant to type wasn't but apparently typed was, or my phone auto corrected...not sure. I edited it immediately, you're quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: And Brady's pass to Gronk near the goal line was gorgeous and it set up an easy TD. Still need a QB who can throw the football. Brady missed some throws too. The difference was New England kept trying to find something that worked. McVay and the Rams getting running Evertt and Higbee out for two tight end sets that were not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: And Brady's pass to Gronk near the goal line was gorgeous and it set up an easy TD. Still need a QB who can throw the football. Don't be obtuse. Edited February 4, 2019 by CoudyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: Defense CAN win championships...but in todays NFL...it usually doesn't. One or two great defensive performance in the last decade do not prove defense wins championships. 5 out of the last 10 losing sb team were held to 17 points or under. I would hang my hat on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Defense wins... but why is it never the same defenses, but usually the same offenses? It isn't. The only constant in the Super Bowl over the last decade has been the Patriots. Since 2009 only the Seahawks, Steelers, and Broncos have made it to the Super Bowl twice. Outside of the Patriots it's a new team every year. The best TEAM makes it there, period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dopey said: 5 out of the last 10 losing sb team were held to 17 points or under. I would hang my hat on defense. 6 of the last 10 winning superbowl teams before tonight scored over 30. 6 of the last 11 including tonight. 6 of 11 beats 5 of 10. Someone else did the research on this (read it online, I'll try to find the article to link) but of the recent superbowls...the winning team more often than not had a higher league rank in offense than they did in defense. I'm not sure how far back the study goes, which is why I'll try to find the article. Edited February 4, 2019 by mjd1001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dopey said: 5 out of the last 10 losing sb team were held to 17 points or under. I would hang my hat on defense. And that's not dopey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 The real story of this game was Sean McVay’s brilliance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Defense certainly won this championship. Belichick schooled McVay every step of the way. The Rams had no answers. I dont like GOAT conversations at all, but I’ll make an exception when I say Belichick is the greatest football coach in history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: 6 of the last 10 winning superbowl teams before tonight scored over 30. 6 of the last 11 including tonight. 6 of 11 beats 5 of 10. out of the last 14 super bowls, 8 time the loser has been held to 17 points or under. 8 of 14 beats 6 of 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Last year both teams put up over a 1,000 yards combned so flip a coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) The story of this game might be experience vs inexperience, but more likely, it's about the Patriots, the soulless, emotionless overlords of the NFL. Aside from the grind of continual winning, this team hasn't done anything interesting in years. And the dystopian hellscape of the NFL that the Patriots lord over is a barren wasteland of terrible officiating, horrible league office management, unbelievably greedy owners and moronic coaching. The NFL is a dystopian nightmare ruled by an idiot savant of a coach and a QB whose entire off field persona is programmed by his wife. George Orwell is probably somewhere having a good laugh about all this. Edited February 4, 2019 by Perry Turtle 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Last year both teams put up over a 1,000 yards combned so flip a coin. And we're coming off Super Bowls with a combined 74 and 62 points scored, so, whatever ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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