AlphaMock V1 - 4 round mock (pre combine)

[cage]

7 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

There's no way a team trades mid 2nds and 3rds to move from 15 to 9.  While I'm not a firm believer in the value chart, 15 to 9 should only get a low 2nd rounder.  Giving every benefit of the doubt, they could get a mid 2nd to go up those 6 spots, but adding the 3rd is just way over the top.

 

Correct, here is value chart.  For Redskins to move up to #9 the value is net 300 pts.   Based on the Skins remaining picks the trade would likely be the Bills 1st (#9) and 4th (#105) for the Redskins 1st (#15) and 2nd (#48).  

 

Total Bills points on this is 1350 + 84 = 1434

Total Skins points on this is 1050 + 440 = 1490   Washington pays a slight premium for moving up for their QB

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=BUF

[Magox]

I think there is a chance Harry may time in the 4.6's if he decides to run the 40, strengthening the narrative of his inability to separate, similar to that of Boldin.

 

Such a deep WR class could help precipitate that fall.  I think he will be a fine pro, I just dont think he will be in the first 20 picks, specially if he times poorly.

[freddyjj]

7 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

There's no way a team trades mid 2nds and 3rds to move from 15 to 9.  While I'm not a firm believer in the value chart, 15 to 9 should only get a low 2nd rounder.  Giving every benefit of the doubt, they could get a mid 2nd to go up those 6 spots, but adding the 3rd is just way over the top.

Why not?  Bills gave up pick 12 in Rd 1 and 2 2nd Rd picks(53 and 56) last year to move up to 7.  Did get a late 7th (255) back too.  

[WideRightRevenge]

My only comment is I hear all this love for drafting TE's high in the draft .. and maybe that's years of the Gronk effect ... but I don't really see "game changers" at that position lately in the draft .. I just think we can wait till rounds 3-5 to address that position

 

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/te

 

For example the link above shows all the TE's drafted in the last few years .. George Kittle at SF was a 5th rounder and in my opinion he's the best of the bunch going back to 2015 ..my point is .. if we draft a stud .. they may bolt after their rookie contract ... but there aren't a lot of studs coming off their rookie pick .. hence we looking at say a Maxx Williams in FA.  But I don't really think OJ Howard, aforementoined Maxx Williams, Hayden Hurst, Mike Gisecki, Dallas Goedert, Austin Saferian Jenkins .. all early picks have been game changes ... maybe Engram . .maybe Njoku ... maybe Hunter Henry .. but look at the carnage for those few nuggets.  Stick with OL early please.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

I think there is a chance Harry may time in the 4.6's if he decides to run the 40, strengthening the narrative of his inability to separate, similar to that of Boldin.

 

Such a deep WR class could help precipitate that fall.  I think he will be a fine pro, I just dont think he will be in the first 20 picks, specially if he times poorly.

 

I remember the expectation being that Mike Evans might time in the 4.6s as well at the combine and he timed 4.53 and guaranteed himself a top 10 spot. Now Harry isn't Mike Evans.... Evans was a more polished, more complete, more talented receiver. He was the guy I really wanted that year and I said even when everyone was going OBJ crazy that Evans would end up being the best WR in that class and when you look now at the end of their rookie contracts he has 5 more catches, around 700 more yards and only 4 fewer touchdowns.

 

The point of the Evans comparison is that he obviously worked flat out after the college season on that 40. I suspect Harry is doing the same. If he times in the 4.5s he is very likely a 1st round pick. If he times 4.6 then given that there is not much separating this group of WRs he could easily find himself slipping into the first few picks of day 2. If you are the Bills and he makes it out of round 1 you work the phones overnight and try and get up for him in the first 2 or 3 picks of day 2.

[CommonCents]

48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I remember the expectation being that Mike Evans might time in the 4.6s as well at the combine and he timed 4.53 and guaranteed himself a top 10 spot. Now Harry isn't Mike Evans.... Evans was a more polished, more complete, more talented receiver. He was the guy I really wanted that year and I said even when everyone was going OBJ crazy that Evans would end up being the best WR in that class and when you look now at the end of their rookie contracts he has 5 more catches, around 700 more yards and only 4 fewer touchdowns.

 

The point of the Evans comparison is that he obviously worked flat out after the college season on that 40. I suspect Harry is doing the same. If he times in the 4.5s he is very likely a 1st round pick. If he times 4.6 then given that there is not much separating this group of WRs he could easily find himself slipping into the first few picks of day 2. If you are the Bills and he makes it out of round 1 you work the phones overnight and try and get up for him in the first 2 or 3 picks of day 2.

I love Mike Evans as well. Comparing his career totals to OBJ’s is misleading. Evans has played 77 games and OBJ has only played in 59.

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

I love Mike Evans as well. Comparing his career totals to OBJ’s is misleading. Evans has played 77 games and OBJ has only played in 59.

 

The best ability is availability.

[Tatonka68]

1. Make Matt Pardis Center the highest paid center in the league.

2. Sign either Daryl Williams, Trent Brown or D'uan James at OT.

3. Take a chance and sign Tyler Eifert TE. Worth the gamble.

4. Trade down with Washington in exchange for the 15th and 46th pick.

5. 15th pick draft Christian Wilkens DT Clemson

6. 40th pick draft either Chris Linstrom, Dalton Risner or Martez Ivey for Guard. If necessary trade up. 

       Offensive Line would be FA from step 2, draft pick from step 6, Pardis, Teller, Dawkins.

7. 46th pick draft Marquise (Hollywood) Brown at WR. Speed kills the more the better.   

8. 74th pick draft RB Miles Sanders as back up/replacement for Shady.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Tatonka68

[Teddy KGB]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

I think there is a chance Harry may time in the 4.6's if he decides to run the 40, strengthening the narrative of his inability to separate, similar to that of Boldin.

 

I would welcome a guy that can’t separate like Boldin.   

 

His very first nfl game yielded 10 catches for 217 yards and 2 td’s  

 

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

I would welcome a guy that can’t separate like Boldin.   

 

His very first nfl game yielded 10 catches for 217 yards and 2 td’s  

 

 

Oh I know, so would I.  I'm just putting on my amateur draft cap on and trying to speculate on outcomes. He is built like Boldin and looks impressive in stature and had good stats and seems to make all sorts of tough catches.    I just think there is a chance that he could time slow which on film he doesn't appear to be that fast and that his draft stock could fall, specially considering that there are lots of very intriguing prospects this year.    

 

I would love him in the 2nd round, just not so sure that I would be thrilled about him in the first.

[STL-Bills]

Please stop with the Harry love... 90% of the catches in his "highlight" video are either screen passes where he makes doodoo corners miss tackles, or downfield jump balls where instead of going up and getting the ball with his massive hands he lets it come down into his chest to make the catch. Catching the ball like that does not work in the NFL on a consistent basis. If we draft Harry, we will all be very disappointed.

[Spielman]

12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yes, this is pre combine version, and the WR's are all grouped together in the top 7 so someone mocked early could easily fall to the 2nd, and vice versa.  I honestly believe there are 7 WR's who all have a shot at being first WR drafted before we go to the combine.  I went with Harry now because I think he is fast enough, and he has just an insane catch radius and is a big strong guy who can go get those Josh Allen passes.  

I would like to see Hakeem Butler and Andy Isabella.  Butler looks faster than Harry (the combine will tell).  Also, no way Ford last until round 2.  I also like Risner, Deebo Samuel, and Terrell Hanks (Hanks in the 4th)

Edited January 29, 2019 by Spielman

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I was right with you there. I though both should take Quarterbacks but said all along the Giants were not and they wanted to take Barkley or someone to pay them a huge bounty for #2. Denver wasn't taking a QB because Elway is scared to miss again (and I wouldn't be certain they take one in the 1st this year either - could very much see them waiting until the 2nd or 3rd).

 

Washington does need a Quarterback and is very cap challenged. That leads me to think they might lean towards drafting one.... but it is just not a good class. If Kyler Murray measures, as some expect him to, 5'9 or 5'10 then for me the top of the draft is a 1 man class and if I was Washington then my choices would be twofold:

 

1. Get ahead of the Giants and take Dwayne Haskins;

2. Don't trade up for a 1st round QB and maybe trade back from #15 and take Lock or Jones later.

 

For the trade with Washington to be "in play" I think the Bills need two things to happen. 1 - they need Kyler Murray to measure 5'11 or taller. 2 - the need the Jags to go the veteran QB route (which I think they will). Otherwise I just don't think that trade makes sense for Washington.

 

 

 

 

 

All fair points, and don’t really disagree with anything here.  My mock is based on the demand for Murray being top 10.  Which is why this is a pre combine mock, lots will change in general once combine as well as free agency settles.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, STL-Bills said:

Please stop with the Harry love... 90% of the catches in his "highlight" video are either screen passes where he makes doodoo corners miss tackles, or downfield jump balls where instead of going up and getting the ball with his massive hands he lets it come down into his chest to make the catch. Catching the ball like that does not work in the NFL on a consistent basis. If we draft Harry, we will all be very disappointed.

 

I agree this is an issue on his tape that shows up at times however it isn't 90% of his catches. That is hyperbole.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

13 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I never understood the mock stuff. It’s like playing the lotto. The odds are so insane of any of these things going down. 

I cant get into this stuff much until at least after the combine. Not that I put much stock in the combine b likeut that’s when things start shaping up 

it's the off season. boring times so threads like this help to pass the time.

 

nice work OP. as we all know these mocks will change but it's a positive way to pass the time.

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

it's the off season. boring times so threads like this help to pass the time.

 

nice work OP. as we all know these mocks will change but it's a positive way to pass the time.

 

Yeah, I am in the “mocks don’t matter” crowd myself, so never put too much stock into them.   But really just did this to have a reference on how things shift after each stage of the offseason.  Free agency and combine will make significant chnges to everyone’s mock, so like you said just something to pass the time and see how things change along the way.

[buffaloboyinATL]

HELL yes on Henderson. Alpha, this would be an amazing four rounds.  Why are some people so down on Harry? From what I've seen, he looks like a beast.

[CommonCents]

I’m surprised so many people like Harry as much as they do. Just from browsing through some of Hakeem Butler’s games he looks superior. I have been on the DK train but Butler is right there for me. He is silky smooth I can’t believe he is 6’6. 

 

Reminds me of another 18.

 

6’6 225 and is expected to run a sub 4.5 40.

Edited January 29, 2019 by CommonCents

[Juice_32]

I love the idea of trading down in the first (unless Q. Williams or Oliver are there) and then using our later round picks to trade back up for specific players in the 4th and 5th. It could very well play out that way. I'd be surprised if we end up making more than 8 picks total. 

 

Something like this is possible if there is a QB run in the top 10...

 

1: R1P15

OT JONAH WILLIAMS

ALABAMA

2: R2P9

C DALTON RISNER

KANSAS STATE

3: R2P14

DL JERRY TILLERY

NOTRE DAME

4: R3P1

WR DEEBO SAMUEL

SOUTH CAROLINA

5: R4P11

 TE ZACH GENTRY

MICHIGAN

6: R4P29

RB DARRELL HENDERSON

MEMPHIS

7: R5P3

CB JUSTIN LAYNE

MICHIGAN STATE

8: R5P11

WR PARRIS CAMPBELL

OHIO STATE

Edited January 29, 2019 by Juice_32

[Dave Allen]

Harry will go 10-20. 31 teams will have him as a second-rounder, but there's going to be that one team... My money's on he Redskins or Raiders. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, STL-Bills said:

Please stop with the Harry love... 90% of the catches in his "highlight" video are either screen passes where he makes doodoo corners miss tackles, or downfield jump balls where instead of going up and getting the ball with his massive hands he lets it come down into his chest to make the catch. Catching the ball like that does not work in the NFL on a consistent basis. If we draft Harry, we will all be very disappointed.

 

Lol, 90%?  Not sure what video you are watching.  And you clearly also missed watching his QB practically under throw him on the regular because his QB sucks.  

 

So I am not convinced yet he struggles with separation.  This is where the combine will really start to shape the WR group.  If he Runs the 40 around 4.5 then I think he will be first WR taken.  

 

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 hours ago, STL-Bills said:

Please stop with the Harry love... 90% of the catches in his "highlight" video are either screen passes where he makes doodoo corners miss tackles, or downfield jump balls where instead of going up and getting the ball with his massive hands he lets it come down into his chest to make the catch. Catching the ball like that does not work in the NFL on a consistent basis. If we draft Harry, we will all be very disappointed.

I get your point, but isn't that better than him getting tackled behind the line of scrimmage or losing out on the 50/50 balls?  There were some great hands catches in the highlights I saw (especially that 1 handed grab!) I have been wondering why he has been so polarizing, so thank you for shedding some light on the counter-point.

[Augie]

13 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I never understood the mock stuff. It’s like playing the lotto. The odds are so insane of any of these things going down. 

I cant get into this stuff much until at least after the combine. Not that I put much stock in the combine but that’s when things start shaping up 

 

I don’t see this as trying to “get it right” as much as it is a chance for me to learn something about these guys. I don’t follow the college game nearly as much as some others here, so it’s a chance for me to learn something from the discussions that grow out of this. If I’m not in the mood, I don’t click. 

[GoBills808]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree this is an issue on his tape that shows up at times however it isn't 90% of his catches. That is hyperbole.

I just think he's not a natural catcher of the ball. Big physical wideouts can do well for themselves in college but imo you need more to justify a first round pick and body catching is kind of a bad look for a guy who isn't a particularly twitchy route runner or explosively fast. I'm not sold on Harry at all tbh, he looks like a much lesser Mike Evans to me and I don't think that's value for your first rounder. His combine numbers will be interesting. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I just think he's not a natural catcher of the ball. Big physical wideouts can do well for themselves in college but imo you need more to justify a first round pick and body catching is kind of a bad look for a guy who isn't a particularly twitchy route runner or explosively fast. I'm not sold on Harry at all tbh, he looks like a much lesser Mike Evans to me and I don't think that's value for your first rounder. His combine numbers will be interesting. 

 

I do think lesser Mike Evans - yes. Mike Evans is an elite NFL WR.... I don't think there is an elite NFL WR in this draft but there are plenty who I think can be good NFL WRs and develop into legitimate #1s. So it comes down to how much lesser. Agree the combine 40 is big for him - as it was indeed for Mike Evans who was also accused of not being fast enough and there were concerns he would run 4.6s. For a guy who isn't a natural catcher Harry sure seems to catch a lot - thought his technique can improve for sure. I wouldn't take a WR at #9. To me any of them are a reach. With a trade back? Possibly.

[P51]

13 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

There's no way a team trades mid 2nds and 3rds to move from 15 to 9.  While I'm not a firm believer in the value chart, 15 to 9 should only get a low 2nd rounder.  Giving every benefit of the doubt, they could get a mid 2nd to go up those 6 spots, but adding the 3rd is just way over the top.

 

Actually for a QB the Redskins trade from 15 to 9 is almost the exact same value as the Bills trading up from 12 to 7 last year. The premium value is virtually identical using the Johnson and Hill trade charts. I did the break down yesterday in 2 separate threads. You might not be a believer in the trade charts but they are used by NFL teams. 

 

The Skins likely have to jump Denver, Miami and possibly Cincy (if Zach Taylor wants his own QB) if they want IMO Murray or Haskins if they are available at 9, possibly... Lock. They are will have to pay a premium, the market is set and Buffalo helped set the market for this type of trade up last year. It wouldnt shock me if some team in the 10-15 range jumped higher than Buffalo to get ahead of the Giants to take their guy, there are a lot of factors in play, especially when it comes to moving up for a QB, but the constant is a premium will be paid. 

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I do think lesser Mike Evans - yes. Mike Evans is an elite NFL WR.... I don't think there is an elite NFL WR in this draft but there are plenty who I think can be good NFL WRs and develop into legitimate #1s. So it comes down to how much lesser. Agree the combine 40 is big for him - as it was indeed for Mike Evans who was also accused of not being fast enough and there were concerns he would run 4.6s. For a guy who isn't a natural catcher Harry sure seems to catch a lot - thought his technique can improve for sure. I wouldn't take a WR at #9. To me any of them are a reach. With a trade back? Possibly.

Evans played big is my thing, he bounced corners off and was always coming back to passes and catching with his hands. His physical limitations didn't translate into weaknesses in his game, they were simply part of who he was as a wideout- not very fast, ran average routes due to limited quickness, but he understood how to play and make the most of his size. I don't see Harry doing that, I see the ball getting on him instead of him attacking it...his limitations physically sort of define him as a wideout in a way that Evans' didn't. I can't say for sure obviously but I don't see Harry having success in the pros unless he drastically improves his technique which is why I don't like him as a first rounder. Screams project imo.

[P51]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

Last year the cardinals traded up about the same number of picks and only gave up a 3rd.  If we trade down 6 spots we’d be lucky to get a 2nd and 3rd.  I’d be happy with a 2nd.

 

Id be very happy with the first 3 picks although I can’t see Hockenson and Ford lasting.  I like your choice of players though 

 

The Cardinals last year played musical chairs and were the last man out. They wanted Allen, but settled for Rosen, Gruden wanted more picks and was asking to move down, got his picks but took less value to do so. Arizona got the last pick of the litter and paid less to do so, knowing Gruden was looking to stack his roster and they took advantage. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Evans played big is my thing, he bounced corners off and was always coming back to passes and catching with his hands. His physical limitations didn't translate into weaknesses in his game, they were simply part of who he was as a wideout- not very fast, ran average routes due to limited quickness, but he understood how to play and make the most of his size. I don't see Harry doing that, I see the ball getting on him instead of him attacking it...his limitations physically sort of define him as a wideout in a way that Evans' didn't. I can't say for sure obviously but I don't see Harry having success in the pros unless he drastically improves his technique which is why I don't like him as a first rounder. Screams project imo.

 

I certainly understand where you are coming from. I think the things you raise are legitimate concerns I'm just not sure I think he is quite so limited in those respects as to knock him down quite as much as you do. I think he uses his body reasonably well. He sometimes has a tendency not to high point the football I agree, it is a technique issue - I agree. But I don't think it is so prevalent in his game as to put him in the project category. I don't have him as a first rounder either. I don't have any of these WRs currently as 1st round grades on my big board. But I think he is a top of the 2nd type grade and may well go off the board sometime after mid first round. How fast he runs at the combine is critical. I think he will run faster than 4.6 - if he doesn't then I agree his first round chances are remote if not gone entirely.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I certainly understand where you are coming from. I think the things you raise are legitimate concerns I'm just not sure I think he is quite so limited in those respects as to knock him down quite as much as you do. I think he uses his body reasonably well. He sometimes has a tendency not to high point the football I agree, it is a technique issue - I agree. But I don't think it is so prevalent in his game as to put him in the project category. I don't have him as a first rounder either. I don't have any of these WRs currently as 1st round grades on my big board. But I think he is a top of the 2nd type grade and may well go off the board sometime after mid first round. How fast he runs at the combine is critical. I think he will run faster than 4.6 - if he doesn't then I agree his first round chances are remote if not gone entirely.

LOL I just read back and you made the Evans comp last page?...didn't mean to steal your thunder! Overall looking at wideouts I think the value might be in the 2nd, I don't know how much the FO is going to enjoy spending a 1st on a wideout like Harry wrt the needs of this offense re: Allen.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

LOL I just read back and you made the Evans comp last page?...didn't mean to steal your thunder! Overall looking at wideouts I think the value might be in the 2nd, I don't know how much the FO is going to enjoy spending a 1st on a wideout like Harry wrt the needs of this offense re: Allen.

 

I don't think we will pick a WR in the 1st round and I don't think Harry is likely their guy given a broad choice in the 2nd. I think they will go for pure speed - a Parris Campbell type guy (who personally I am not high at all on).

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think we will pick a WR in the 1st round and I don't think Harry is likely their guy given a broad choice in the 2nd. I think they will go for pure speed - a Parris Campbell type guy (who personally I am not high at all on).

My guy at wideout is Samuel out of SC...thoughts?

[CommonCents]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think we will pick a WR in the 1st round and I don't think Harry is likely their guy given a broad choice in the 2nd. I think they will go for pure speed - a Parris Campbell type guy (who personally I am not high at all on).

If they don’t get one of these big targets for JA then they are making a mistake. People can debate who is better between DK, Harry and Butler but taking a one dimensional speedster and ignoring them would be a terrible decision. If McD can’t leave a blue chip defender on the table so he can fix the offense then I don’t have high hopes for him. 

 

The FA WR group isn’t very good, the Bills need to sure up the oline in FA and use the picks on playmakers.

 

I will be really disappointed if they don’t draft a real WR. 

[YattaOkasan]

14 hours ago, TigerJ said:

I've read that while Harry can make highlight real catches, fights for the ball to make 50/50 catches and has excellent run after the catch ability, he really doesn't gain separation downfield.  His highlight video showed all of that in living color.  the only passes on which he had separation were short catches where the DB was playing soft.  Hockenson actually gained more separation, though that might have been because he's a tight end and is not always covered by a CB.  I think Hockenson will be a good one.  Ximines might be a great edge rusher, but I didn't like the way his highlight video was done.  It showed the end result, but not how he came off the line and beat the blocker.  That's what I really want to see.  Again, he's got to be doing something right to be as disruptive as he is.  I'd just like to see the plays from start to finish.  Henderson also looks like a good one.  Ford is well regarded and Udoh showed well inb the Senior Bowl.

So I am not a big fan of highlight videos at all.  I suggest you just put the name into youtube with "vs" and see what pops up.  Harry's game against Utah this year was sick.  ODU edge was pretty good against ECU and he was almost constantly double teamed or chipped by the RB.  The Iowa TEs have been interesting in the draft breakdowns.  I like Hock better but I need to watch some more.  Haven't gotten a chance to see more of other players.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

My guy at wideout is Samuel out of SC...thoughts?

 

Pro-ready and I could see him having an instant impact as a slot. His cuts and direction changes are so sharp it is really impressive. I just think limited upside and ability to play outside. To me he would play the role the Bills used McKenzie in down the stretch extremely well, short quick breaking routes, jet sweeps, the odd seam route I just don't know if I ever see him as a true dominant outside player. I suppose high floor but lowish ceiling is my summary.

[wppete]

2 hours ago, Spielman said:

I would like to see Hakeem Butler and Andy Isabella.  Butler looks faster than Harry (the combine will tell).  Also, no way Ford last until round 2.  I also like Risner, Deebo Samuel, and Terrell Hanks (Hanks in the 4th)

 

Hakeem Butler reminds me of a taller AJ Green. Smooth route runner and incredible catch radius. Goes up and gets the ball at 6’6. Strong hands.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2019 by wppete

[STL-Bills]

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

My guy at wideout is Samuel out of SC...thoughts?

 

Couldn't agree more. I think he'll be the best WR from this draft, unless DK really reaches his potential.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Pro-ready and I could see him having an instant impact as a slot. His cuts and direction changes are so sharp it is really impressive. I just think limited upside and ability to play outside. To me he would play the role the Bills used McKenzie in down the stretch extremely well, short quick breaking routes, jet sweeps, the odd seam route I just don't know if I ever see him as a true dominant outside player. I suppose high floor but lowish ceiling is my summary.

Between Samuel, Jones, and Foster I think they could be a good group. I'm expecting both Jones and Foster to progress next year and if Foster starts breaking into that WR1 role having two underneath/slot posession type guys in Samuel and Jones who can get open reliably would be imo best case scenario for the offense, considering what the draft class at wideout looks like to me anyway.

[STL-Bills]

1 hour ago, Juice_32 said:

I love the idea of trading down in the first (unless Q. Williams or Oliver are there) and then using our later round picks to trade back up for specific players in the 4th and 5th. It could very well play out that way. I'd be surprised if we end up making more than 8 picks total. 

 

Something like this is possible if there is a QB run in the top 10...

 

1: R1P15

OT JONAH WILLIAMS

ALABAMA

2: R2P9

C DALTON RISNER

KANSAS STATE

3: R2P14

DL JERRY TILLERY

NOTRE DAME

4: R3P1

WR DEEBO SAMUEL

SOUTH CAROLINA

5: R4P11

 TE ZACH GENTRY

MICHIGAN

6: R4P29

RB DARRELL HENDERSON

MEMPHIS

7: R5P3

CB JUSTIN LAYNE

MICHIGAN STATE

8: R5P11

WR PARRIS CAMPBELL

OHIO STATE

 

If we get Jonah Williams, Risner, and Samuel, we'll look back at the 2019 draft as one of the few that turned this franchise into a consistent winner. While I'm not sold on Williams at LT, I think his versatility will translate into a productive player at some position on OL. Risner is going to be an excellent interior player, and potentially be solid at RT. Deebo is the prototype of today's NFL receiver; fast, extremely quick, great hands, exceptional route running. Big, outside WR targets are a thing of the past. Rams don't have one, Pats don't have one. Its all about speed, elusiveness, and route running.

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Between Samuel, Jones, and Foster I think they could be a good group. I'm expecting both Jones and Foster to progress next year and if Foster starts breaking into that WR1 role having two underneath/slot posession type guys in Samuel and Jones who can get open reliably would be imo best case scenario for the offense, considering what the draft class at wideout looks like to me anyway.

 

I think they need a 1. I don't think Robert Foster is a #1. I think he is too limited. Hope I'm wrong.

11 minutes ago, STL-Bills said:

Deebo is the prototype of today's NFL receiver; fast, extremely quick, great hands, exceptional route running. Big, outside WR targets are a thing of the past. Rams don't have one, Pats don't have one. Its all about speed, elusiveness, and route running.

 

Hmm. I am not sure I agree on that at all. I still think big outside targets are needed. Whether they are as big of a need in the offense Daboll wants to run is a fair question. But the Eagles won last year with Jeffrey playing a big role, the Saints have Michael Thomas. The Patriots have rarely gone in for big outside guys it is true and this year the Rams haven't. But I am not convinced that is the future of the NFL.