Rams vs. Pats*** -- this is where it all ends

[vorpma]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Belichick has 2 weeks to prepare.  They will shut down the Rams offense, just like he shut down the Bills in our first SB.  Brady will be Brady.  Pats will win.  No question in my mind.

 

I can't stand Brady or Belichick, but I don't let that stand in the way of acknowledging how great they both are at their jobs.

Come on oldmanfan, Offense is the new king - defense is old school and no longer relevant!!

2 hours ago, jimmy10 said:

 

They are inveterate cheaters, and the whole world will learn the extent of it in about 20-30 years when the right people have died off. 

Give me a break!!! You now own, IMHO, the most ridiculous post EVER, on TBD!!!

[jimmy10]

4 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Give me a break!!! You now own, IMHO, the most ridiculous post EVER, on TBD!!!

 

Wow, what do I win? So many people to thank, I wasn’t prepared for this. 

[Chris66]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

I personally project the wheels falling off for TB in 2019, but that's an opinion.

 

Leaving that aside, he would walk away the ultimate winner if he gets ring number 6 and says "I'm done." 

 

Not quite sure why Bills fans would be happy with that Tom Brady finale.

Yeah 6 rings in 9 appearance s. There is just something special about retiring after a sb win. Especially if you play well. Think Elway.  If you have the oppurtunity to go out on top. Do it.

[vorpma]

35 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

 

Wow, what do I win? So many people to thank, I wasn’t prepared for this. 

Nothing, just laughter!!

2 hours ago, jimmy10 said:

 

Nope. I save my envy for teams like the Steelers. They have been a model of consistency and success over the decades. 

 

The Patriots are an aberration. Their fans are dogs**t. Kraft and Belichick are so crooked, they need help screwing on their pants every morning. They will come crashing back to earth soon enough and one day we will all learn the extent of their cheating. 

Again, are you serious and a legal age adult?

[GottaRun]

If the Pats win there's no way Brady retires.  He loved to crush the Bills in every way possible and having a chance to go to 4 Superbowls in a row is something he won't miss taking a shot at (especially if he ends up with 2/3 wins going in).

 

So many people have said no team will ever get back 4 years in a row.  He loves to prove people wrong.

Edited January 21, 2019 by driddles

[Chris66]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Even if you prorate Brady's contract over three years to make the 30 million bonus look dramatic that is likely many millions under his value if he hit the open market.  If Brady were 36 years old in 2019 being dumped in a rebuild by his old team his achievements to age 35 would make him worth considerably more than 30 million per year depending how you structure salary and bonus.  I would venture a guess that if Snyder orJones were in the market at that point that Brady at 36 would command a contract of over 40 million dollars per year.  I think that Khan (Jacksonville), Ross (Miami), or the late Paul Allen would be there knocking on Brady's door if he could be had at an amount a little under 40 million.  Jerry Jones dream scenario is Brady comes along at a time when the Cowboys have most of their starting 22 under easy to digest contracts for the next few years that he would even go 45 million per year on Brady if it meant 4 SB appearances.  It would behoove Jurrah to also buy McDaniels or some other NE flunky to make sure Brady's transition is smooth.  Just my opinion.   

If you take the bonus plus the salary thats 24 mil per year. Thats on par with most everybody.

[RochesterRob]

11 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

If you take the bonus plus the salary thats 24 mil per year. Thats on par with most everybody.

  Brady is "most everybody?"  Half the teams in the league would pay several million dollars above 24 million per year if Brady was sitting on an open market.  I still think that the megalomaniacs would pay above 35 million per year if Brady could draw a few teams into a bidding war never mind his reputation in the playoffs being an enticement.  

 

  Garopollo made over 42 million and Carr plus Cousins made in the 24 million dollar range.  Stafford made similar money but he had the Lions by the short hairs in that they did not want to risk a QB search as opposed to what Stafford could deliver in the post season.  Brady is severely undervalued in comparison to his QB brethren.  Would you put Stafford on par with Brady when looking at their compensation?

Edited January 21, 2019 by RochesterRob

[Norcalbillsfan]

That was a hard one for the saints, but we all know who is going to get all the calls with the Rams and Pat's. Donald better put on some fluffy mittens and gently lay Brady on a bed of pillows if he doesn't want  a roughing the passer call. 

[Keukasmallies]

8 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Brady doesn't like pressure up the middle.  There's this guy in LA...Aaron or Donald something...?

 

The lack of respect in here for Wade Phillips is baffling.

 

It's not a lack of respect as much as it is that the best general predictor of tomorrow is yesterday; and the Patriots have had some awesome yesterdays.

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  The salary cap was designed to keep the more well to do owners from in theory buying championships.   While I believe that Bill B has a lot to do with the Pats success circumventing the salary cap is in poor sportsmanship.  While we can't prove that Kraft is circumventing the cap we also can't prove that he is not.  I don't believe that the Pats would have the same success without Brady that they would have with him.  Of course if Bill B sticks around several more years with a new QB and wins then that would be a big statement as to who deserves most of the credit.

You post makes little sense. You say that you don't have proof that Kraft is circumventing the cap. Then why are you suggesting that he may be? That line of reasoning is utterly vapid. 

 

You also make the point that the Pats wouldn't be as successful without Brady. Everyone in the world would make the same obvious point. You coach who you got. Other coaches have had great players on their rosters and didn't succeed to the extent that he has. What has made BB's record historically standout is that he has done it over such a long length of period. Under Bill Polian the Bills had a list of HOF players on their roster in their glory years and multiple SB appearances. BB's record is infinitely better even when his roster wasn't so replete with the number of HOF players. 

4 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

If we are to assume that Brady offers no advantage over other absolutely top flight QBs like Rodgers or Peyton Maning, and if we are to assume that the Patriots organization is not engaged in some type of systemic cheating scheme giving them an advantage, the only thing left to explain the Patriots' phenomenal success is Bill B.

 

He may be more important to that franchise over the years than Brady.  Which is ironic, as a lot of folks here will tell you the only reason he is thought of as "good" is because he has Brady.

 

He is the GM and coach and has total control over shaping what New England is about as a football team.  He also never gets good draft slots and has huge turnover on both sides of the ball all the time...and yet he stays at the top year after year.  It's incredible.

 

Try to come up with a list of "famous Patriots" whose careers will be associated exclusively with NE during this huge win streak of theirs...there are a few names, certainly Gronk and a maybe a few others, but it's mostly Brady, Bellichick, and whoever else is playing for them at the moment.

 

BB is the smartest/best football coach ever.  At least that's my conclusion

 

 

Your conclusion is the same conclusion that I postulated with my prior post. 

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

You post makes little sense. You say that you don't have proof that Kraft is circumventing the cap. Then why are you suggesting that he may be? That line of reasoning is utterly vapid. 

 

You also make the point that the Pats wouldn't be as successful without Brady. Everyone in the world would make the same obvious point. You coach who you got. Other coaches have had great players on their rosters and didn't succeed to the extent that he has. What has made BB's record historically standout is that he has done it over such a long length of period. Under Bill Polian the Bills had a list of HOF players on their roster in their glory years and multiple SB appearances. BB's record is infinitely better even when his roster wasn't so replete with the number of HOF players. 

  The point is we can never audit Brady to the point of knowing if he is getting money under the table from Kraft or not plus his salary compared to his value makes no sense.  Even the Pats guy here can't give a good reason why Brady is on par salary-wise with with other QB's that at best have accomplished a fraction of what Brady has.  Brady to my knowledge other than when he signed his contract has never spoken of his personal sacrifice to help the team.  Are you saying that it is impossible for Kraft to pay Brady under the table?  My theory is that Brady's contract started to uncouple from his open market value around his mid-30's hence my other post on the subject.  If Garopollo can get 42M with really a lot yet to be proven then Brady should be worth something approaching that with the more aggressive owners in the league.  Brady's 24 million is a long ways away from the top contract value of 42 million for a guy to this point has been about the potential more than the actual result.  Brady and his agents are really nice guys if they were willing to forgo Tom making 40 plus million per year several years back when Tom's future was being mapped out.  I wonder if any other team has had a player be so nice as to sacrifice approaching half his future earnings to help the team?  

[Matty the Dustmop]

8 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

Na. Pats win, and Brady and Gronk retire ....going out on top. I hope they do if it means an end to their dynasty.

 

Why would they want to come back? Nothing more to prove, clearly the greatest team run of all time, and it will never be duplicated.

If NE wins I can see Gronkowski retiring but I dont think so for Brady due to the fact he has a mega sized ego that will tell him he can win 5 more rings and play until its time to collect Social Security.

[JohnC]

14 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The point is we can never audit Brady to the point of knowing if he is getting money under the table from Kraft or not plus his salary compared to his value makes no sense.  Even the Pats guy here can't give a good reason why Brady is on par salary-wise with with other QB's that at best have accomplished a fraction of what Brady has.  Brady to my knowledge other than when he signed his contract has never spoken of his personal sacrifice to help the team.  Are you saying that it is impossible for Kraft to pay Brady under the table?  My theory is that Brady's contract started to uncouple from his open market value around his mid-30's hence my other post on the subject.  If Garopollo can get 42M with really a lot yet to be proven then Brady should be worth something approaching that with the more aggressive owners in the league.  Brady's 24 million is a long ways away from the top contract value of 42 million for a guy to this point has been about the potential more than the actual result.  Brady and his agents are really nice guys if they were willing to forgo Tom making 40 plus million per year several years back when Tom's future was being mapped out.  I wonder if any other team has had a player be so nice as to sacrifice approaching half his future earnings to help the team?  

Let me summarize your post: You have a theory but no proof. It's like someone calling you out for wearing pink perfumed girlie underwear. You respond to the accuser by saying that you have no proof for such a scurrilous accusation. The response by the accuser is that it could be true because it is his theory that hasn't been disproven. That's how nonsensical your logic and theory are. 

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Let me summarize your post: You have a theory but no proof. It's like someone calling you out for wearing pink perfumed girlie underwear. You respond to the accuser by saying that you have no proof for such a scurrilous accusation. The response by the accuser is that it could be true because it is his theory that hasn't been disproven. That's how nonsensical your logic and theory are. 

  It's not my theory but a theory that has been put forth by many people here over a multitude of times.  Are you saying that you are unaware of any accusations made by people posting here that the Pats circumvent the cap?  I am just attempting to address what has been said on the matter.  Even the resident Pats fan here understands that many fans of other NFL teams and AFC teams in particular believe that the Pats circumvent the cap when it comes to Brady.  That is why he does not respond to such subject matter by saying "Wut?"

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  It's not my theory but a theory that has been put forth by many people here over a multitude of times.  Are you saying that you are unaware of any accusations made by people posting here that the Pats circumvent the cap?  I am just attempting to address what has been said on the matter.  Even the resident Pats fan here understands that many fans of other NFL teams and AFC teams in particular believe that the Pats circumvent the cap when it comes to Brady.  That is why he does not respond to such subject matter by saying "Wut?"

I simply don't care how they handle their cap. 

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, BillsRdue said:

And a boy named Suh.

well done.
He and Mr Donald are bringing their A game.
and Suh might do what he was at one time noted for.
kick Toms no no spot.
the place will catch on fire and be the most awesome SB game ever.
 

I sincerely think Rams give them a game.

Hell of a team. I am quite fond of their D C

 

: )

[RochesterRob]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I simply don't care how they handle their cap. 

  Actually, you should.  The owners did when they brought the cap into existence and it was not just to alleviate boredom during one offseason.

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, BillsRdue said:

And a boy named Suh.

well done.
He and Mr Donald are bringing their A game.
and Suh might do what he was at one time noted for.
kick Toms no no spot.
the place will catch on fire and be the most awesome SB game ever.
 

I sincerely think Rams give them a game.

Hell of a team. I am quite fond of their D C

 

: )

Goff will be the weakest link for the Rams. better focus on the run game. if they stick with and Gurley can spell CJ ?
But BB is a nasty Man when attacking rookie QBs.

 he will disguise and change up all game long

[peterpan]

Pats are still cheating.  It's so evident.  Why the refs always help them I will never know. 

 

But I do think the NFL will do everything they can to make the Rams win to hopefully get some fans in LA.  We saw the extent the league was willing to go to to give the Rams the game last week.  Hopefully that's a good indicator and the refs once again determine the outcome, bit this time AGAINST the cheaters. 

7 hours ago, jimmy10 said:

 

They are inveterate cheaters, and the whole world will learn the extent of it in about 20-30 years when the right people have died off. 

Completely agree 100%.  Been saying it for years.  They still cheating, it's right there in front of your face, people just don't want to look. 

[Chris66]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Actually, you should.  The owners did when they brought the cap into existence and it was not just to alleviate boredom during one offseason.

Brady has never taken full market value. He doesnt want to strap the team

[row_33]

1 minute ago, Chris66 said:

Brady has never taken full market value. He doesnt want to strap the team

 

And they have done almost nothing in pursuing skill players to help him out.

[peterpan]

4 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Yeah 6 rings in 9 appearance s. There is just something special about retiring after a sb win. Especially if you play well. Think Elway.  If you have the oppurtunity to go out on top. Do it.

Don't forget, in 4 of the Patriots SB wins, they were caught cheating.  Not cheated, caught cheating.  

 

I believe they also cheated in the Seahawks SB, the only one where they haven't been caught cheating.  I think they cheated because Malcolm Butler, whose interception at the goal line won them the game, stated in an interview that belicheater told him the Seahawks we're going to run that play in advance.  How would he have known that???

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  The point is we can never audit Brady to the point of knowing if he is getting money under the table from Kraft or not plus his salary compared to his value makes no sense.  Even the Pats guy here can't give a good reason why Brady is on par salary-wise with with other QB's that at best have accomplished a fraction of what Brady has.  Brady to my knowledge other than when he signed his contract has never spoken of his personal sacrifice to help the team.  Are you saying that it is impossible for Kraft to pay Brady under the table?  My theory is that Brady's contract started to uncouple from his open market value around his mid-30's hence my other post on the subject.  If Garopollo can get 42M with really a lot yet to be proven then Brady should be worth something approaching that with the more aggressive owners in the league.  Brady's 24 million is a long ways away from the top contract value of 42 million for a guy to this point has been about the potential more than the actual result.  Brady and his agents are really nice guys if they were willing to forgo Tom making 40 plus million per year several years back when Tom's future was being mapped out.  I wonder if any other team has had a player be so nice as to sacrifice approaching half his future earnings to help the team?  

Business Insider had an article recently where they calculate he's given up at least 60 million over the course of his career to keep his team competitive.  He's made over 197 million in his career so far so it's not like we're going to set up a gofundme for him anytime soon. 

 

Do I think he's the type of person that would give up that kind of money with the knowledge that 30 years from now we'll consider him the GOAT because the Patriots were able to use that money to give him a chance at the Superbowl every year?  Yes.  Would it surprise me given the shadyness of the Pats organization that Kraft is paying him under the table?  No.  I don't have any proof though.

[Chris66]

9 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Don't forget, in 4 of the Patriots SB wins, they were caught cheating.  Not cheated, caught cheating.  

 

I believe they also cheated in the Seahawks SB, the only one where they haven't been caught cheating.  I think they cheated because Malcolm Butler, whose interception at the goal line won them the game, stated in an interview that belicheater told him the Seahawks we're going to run that play in advance.  How would he have known that???

In 4? I dont yhink so.

Your kidding right? Its been well documented that yhey practiced for yhat play. Its called watching film.

Edited January 22, 2019 by Chris66

[TheFunPolice]

It's crazy that more guys don't take a bit less to win

 

I guess hanging out with the dudes at the pro bowl is better than super bowl games

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, peterpan said:

Don't forget, in 4 of the Patriots SB wins, they were caught cheating.  Not cheated, caught cheating.  

 

I believe they also cheated in the Seahawks SB, the only one where they haven't been caught cheating.  I think they cheated because Malcolm Butler, whose interception at the goal line won them the game, stated in an interview that belicheater told him the Seahawks we're going to run that play in advance.  How would he have known that???

I only remember the Rams game where the Boston Herald cited an unnamed source that the Patriots illegally taped the Rams walk through.  Belichick denied it and the Boston Herald retracted their story.  They studied that play in practice against Seattle and it was a common goal line play the Seahawks ran so they told him to watch for it.  That's not cheating.  Spygate and Deflategate makes me think they cheat all the time, but it's hard to prove.

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

It's crazy that more guys don't take a bit less to win

 

I guess hanging out with the dudes at the pro bowl is better than super bowl games

It depends how much faith you have in your front office.  If I'm Aaron Rodgers I say screw you and give me my money.  You'll just waste it anyways.

[Shortchaz]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Not sure if this is a reference to the Bible or Sam Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction referencing the Bible...but nonetheless...

 

NICE!

 

Little trivia, although jules says he’s referencing the Bible, it’s a made up quote. 

[Success]

Gotta say - I love how much the Rams are being disrespected right now.

 

They have exactly the kind of team the Pats struggle against.  Strong pass rush with great coverage on D, and the kind of RBs who their slow LBs will have a tough time with if they work the short pass game.

 

And they have one of the league’s best young coaches.

 

Brady hasn’t been touched yet in the playoffs.   This pass rush will get to him.

[RochesterRob]

16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Business Insider had an article recently where they calculate he's given up at least 60 million over the course of his career to keep his team competitive.  He's made over 197 million in his career so far so it's not like we're going to set up a gofundme for him anytime soon. 

 

Do I think he's the type of person that would give up that kind of money with the knowledge that 30 years from now we'll consider him the GOAT because the Patriots were able to use that money to give him a chance at the Superbowl every year?  Yes.  Would it surprise me given the shadyness of the Pats organization that Kraft is paying him under the table?  No.  I don't have any proof though.

  In my mind 60 million seems rather conservative.  I would say he has given up that much in the last 5 years and probably at least 100 million for the last decade.  He should be pulling in 40 million per year in the last few years.  Maybe St Peter will let me ask about that when I am at the Pearly Gates.  Among other things.  

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, Success said:

Gotta say - I love how much the Rams are being disrespected right now.

 

They have exactly the kind of team the Pats struggle against.  Strong pass rush with great coverage on D, and the kind of RBs who their slow LBs will have a tough time with if they work the short pass game.

 

And they have one of the league’s best young coaches.

 

Brady hasn’t been touched yet in the playoffs.   This pass rush will get to him.

He gets the ball off so damn fast though.  Bosa and Ingram couldn't get to him.  Houston and Ford couldn't get to him.  You need LB's who can cover those RB's coming out of the backfield and CB's who don't allow WR's who get separation.  The Rams LB crew needs to have a great game for them to stop the Pats offense.

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

He gets the ball off so damn fast though.  Bosa and Ingram couldn't get to him.  Houston and Ford couldn't get to him.  You need LB's who can cover those RB's coming out of the backfield and CB's who don't allow WR's who get separation.  The Rams LB crew needs to have a great game for them to stop the Pats offense.

  Goes to show that the Chiefs did not reinvent the wheel when Mahomes came aboard.  They remind me of the old Coryall Chargers that could put up points but were never going to win a SB.

[Livinginthepast]

I honestly think as bad sportsmanship as this sounds, the Rams must hit Brady early, often, low, high and especially late.  As good as the Oline for the Pats is, it doesn't explain how pathetic a job both the Chiefs and Chargers were at getting to Brady.  Both those defensive coordinators should be looking for work right now (and probably should never work again). Yes Brady is the Goat, yes he's got a fast release, but he's 41 f'ing years old. No amount of diet, working out and conditioning can stop your middle aged muscles from starting to seize up from a consistent bruising and pounding that results from sacks and hits after a pass. But yet both the Chiefs and Chargers barely laid a caress on Brady in those games.

 

If I was Wade, I would be dialing up as many bring the house blitzes as possible early and pound Brady. And if Suh should accidentally pile drive Brady or step on his ankle well that would be very unfortunate.

[RochesterRob]

10 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

I honestly think as bad sportsmanship as this sounds, the Rams must hit Brady early, often, low, high and especially late.  As good as the Oline for the Pats is, it doesn't explain how pathetic a job both the Chiefs and Chargers were at getting to Brady.  Both those defensive coordinators should be looking for work right now (and probably should never work again). Yes Brady is the Goat, yes he's got a fast release, but he's 41 f'ing years old. No amount of diet, working out and conditioning can stop your middle aged muscles from starting to seize up from a consistent bruising and pounding that results from sacks and hits after a pass. But yet both the Chiefs and Chargers barely laid a caress on Brady in those games.

 

If I was Wade, I would be dialing up as many bring the house blitzes as possible early and pound Brady. And if Suh should accidentally pile drive Brady or step on his ankle well that would be very unfortunate.

  The Chiefs don't have a lot of talent on defense but the Chargers should have been knocking Brady down to the point where maybe one gets ejected from the game for being too rough.  I suppose doing that then opens its own can of worms.  

[B-Man]

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I'm banking on Suh doing something very bad to Brady, this guy can barely contain himself on a normal day. You put Suh in a SB that gets him amped up out of his mind and he will do something stupid. I'm expecting him to be getting held and frustrated in the 1st half and then in the 2nd half he takes his cheap shot and breaks a leg.

Edited January 22, 2019 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[thunderingsquid]

19 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

I honestly think as bad sportsmanship as this sounds, the Rams must hit Brady early, often, low, high and especially late.  As good as the Oline for the Pats is, it doesn't explain how pathetic a job both the Chiefs and Chargers were at getting to Brady.  Both those defensive coordinators should be looking for work right now (and probably should never work again). Yes Brady is the Goat, yes he's got a fast release, but he's 41 f'ing years old. No amount of diet, working out and conditioning can stop your middle aged muscles from starting to seize up from a consistent bruising and pounding that results from sacks and hits after a pass. But yet both the Chiefs and Chargers barely laid a caress on Brady in those games.

 

If I was Wade, I would be dialing up as many bring the house blitzes as possible early and pound Brady. And if Suh should accidentally pile drive Brady or step on his ankle well that would be very unfortunate.

They need to assault Brady because, hey, they will be called for roughing the passer regardless.

[LABILLBACKER]

Brady at 50 is better than any qb in the league.  Belichick toys with less superior coaches. They'll know your weaknesses from Day 1. Be afraid,  be very afraid. 

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Brady at 50 is better than any qb in the league.  Belichick toys with less superior coaches. They'll know your weaknesses from Day 1. Be afraid,  be very afraid. 

Brady is just about done. Another slight dip in velocity, which is inevitable, will be the end.

 

What he's done in these playoffs with that arm may be his most impressive feat to date. 

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, JohnC said:

You can make excuses if you want  as to why they constantly win. It doesn't matter what others think because their record is their record. Your rationalization is your rationalization. The Colts had Peyton, and the Packers had Favre and Rodgers. Combined how many SBs do they have compared to Brady and the Pats? Who cares what the financial arrangement is between the qb and the owner? And who cares and what relevancy is that Brady has a wife who earns more than he does. Winners win and losers make excuses. 

 

Because all of this comes into how they have been able to do this for so long.  Are you that dumb to think an extra $15 million a year in cap space really doesn't matter?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

That's a horrible photoshop but funny.