A Few Thoughts about the Dolphins Game, in no particular order

[RunTheBall]

It was Ike Boettinger #65 who buried Alonso. Mills never should have been tossed but the refs had to divy it up

[Virgil]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

No your comment and follow-up was irritating.  

 

Call them as I see them.

 

Still haven’t explained how the one comment about the int is me being obsessed.  Not have you talked about how two negative lines vs all the other positives, including the opening and closing lines about him, show where I’m so negative on him.  

 

But please, continue....

2 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

It was Ike Boettinger #65 who buried Alonso. Mills never should have been tossed but the refs had to divy it up

 

Thank you!

[GimmeSomeProcess]

Allen is what he is and just embrace it. He’s not your protypical qb, however, he’s a playmaker and you can build a team around him. Reminds me of Vick in terms when he’s running and snifs the end zone he’s in. And like Vick, he will hurt you with his arm. 

[jletha]

33 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Not specifically meant for the OP; however, I don't think I have ever seen a QB, much less a rookie QB, whose every pass is so over analyzed by a fan base.

Yea it seems like some fans believe that most QBs play flawless football and any bad pass by Josh wouldnt be made by another QB. Besides maybe three QBs in the league, every game is gonna have great throws and some really bad throws. You just hope to have more good than bad which he certainly did.

[The Wiz]

19 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

For clarity. The same old Josh Allen is some great throws on a drive, a head scratching INT, some solid runs, and but overall 5 more completed passes away from saying he’s “arrived”

 

But like I said with my first line, as some can’t read, (not you) Josh has a pretty good day today. 

 

 

I said “his int was a terrible decision” and literally nothing else about it.  

 

Maybe look up the word “obsessed”

For clarity, you realize that 5 more completed passes puts him at 85% completion. 

 

I agree he would 'arrive' at that point but that's a pretty high mark to achieve. 

[Virgil]

Just now, The Wiz said:

For clarity, you realize that 5 more completed passes puts him at 85% completion. 

 

I agree he would 'arrive' at that point but that's a pretty high mark to achieve. 

 

I figured expecting 86% would be unrealistic 

[teef]

56 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said:

The Miami Dolphins might just be the smartest team in the AFC East.

 

They know that the Brady/Belichick New England Patriots aren't going anywhere for at least three (3) more seasons so why waste their time trying to win the division?

 

This was a thought, then typed into words?

[Jon in Pasadena]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

This was a thought, then typed into words?

You're half right.

[sullim4]

50 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Punting sucked too. Darr had a couple of ~30 yard punts with poor hangtime. How is that even possible for an NFL punter? 

 

I'd really like to know who the person was behind the carousel at punter this year... was it "Always looking to get better" Beane, Crossman, or McD?  In their quest to get better, they got significantly worse at this position.  I don't think Bojorquez is the answer... with 10 draft picks I would like to see them spend a 7th rounder on a competent college punter.

[Max Fischer]

"seemed like the same old Josh to me"

 

My God.  I'll take the same old Josh if it means 5 touchdowns a game. 

[TFBillsfan]

45 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Not specifically meant for the OP; however, I don't think I have ever seen a QB, much less a rookie QB, whose every pass is so over analyzed by a fan base.

The ROOKIE QB has 5 TD’s today and leads his team to a blowout win but someone will find something to complain about. Looking forward to adding playmakers and solid OLINEMAN to this offense in the offseason!

[JoPar_v2]

25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes,  they should have played to get in to fg position, but the first down play was saying "we want to go into the half up 14-7", which was typical McD.  

 

As said a lousy read and pass, set up by the first down call.  Much like the Bills run run pass playcalling.

 

It may be “typical McD” but it had no effect on Allen throwing the pick on the next play. There is no correlation. Don’t invent excuses. Allen played great but he made a bad throw. 

25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No your comment and follow-up was irritating.  

 

Call them as I see them.

 

Then you better get your eyes checked.

[Billsfan1972]

You're right,Allen threw 9 incomplete one and a pick 6.  The 5 TDs were nice, but we need to focus on the pick 6 and 2 bad slant passes.  

 

Oh and Foster made Allen look good on that TD pass 

 

I get it now.....  My bad.

[The Wiz]

34 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I figured expecting 86% would be unrealistic 

I guess that's fair then. 

Edited December 31, 2018 by The Wiz

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You're right,Allen threw 9 incomplete one and a pick 6.  The 5 TDs were nice, but we need to focus on the pick 6 and 2 bad slant passes.  

 

Oh and Foster made Allen look good on that TD pass 

 

I get it now.....  My bad.

 

You’re like talking to my lady. Can’t actually address what’s said or what’s directly asked of you, just whatever fits your narrative. 

 

It’s adorable. 

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

I guess that's fair then. 

 

You’re absolutely right btw.  I’m not looking at his post game stats.  I write as I watch.  So I just tally the rookie passes, basic qb passes, and the “holy *****” awesome Allen cannon arm passes. 

 

I didn’t realize his completion percentage was that high 

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

You’re absolutely right btw.  I’m not looking at his post game stats.  I write as I watch.  So I just tally the rookie passes, basic qb passes, and the “holy *****” awesome Allen cannon arm passes. 

 

I didn’t realize his completion percentage was that high 

It's funny because his first half numbers before the pick 6 were probably around 70-73% I think.  I was at a birthday party so I was just watching the play by play on nfl.com and had the stats field opened.

 

After the pick 6 he had probably 4 or 5 bad passes that really hurt his percentage but he turned it around after that.  Even still, there are probably 3-5 passes in that game that were all on him and I can honestly live with that coming from how he has been brought up (football-wise that is).

[Billsfan1972]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

You’re like talking to my lady. Can’t actually address what’s said or what’s directly asked of you, just whatever fits your narrative. 

 

It’s adorable. 

 

You’re absolutely right btw.  I’m not looking at his post game stats.  I write as I watch.  So I just tally the rookie passes, basic qb passes, and the “holy *****” awesome Allen cannon arm passes. 

 

I didn’t realize his completion percentage was that high 

Okay then, why were you impressed with Foster and his TD catch (2 catches all game)?  It had nothing to do with him, but running the right route and catching a perfect throw.

 

Btw I agreed the int war a terrible but thought the first down call put them in a bad position and he made a lousy call and a rookie mistake.

 

 

[Virgil]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Okay then, why were you impressed with Foster and his TD catch (2 catches all game)?  It had nothing to do with him, but running the right route and catching a perfect throw.

 

Btw I agreed the int war a terrible but thought the first down call put them in a bad position and he made a lousy call and a rookie mistake.

 

 

 

Did I say it was a bad throw?  I said why I was impressed.   It’s because he had yet to make a catch like that so far, so it was good to see him be able to adjust over a defender like that.  

 

Yes, it was a good throw.  I said Allen made good throws.  What am I missing here?  Did you think I implied that someone else made the throw?  Sorry I didn’t talk about the same play twice I’m both perspectives 

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

Did I say it was a bad throw?  I said why I was impressed.   It’s because he had yet to make a catch like that so far, so it was good to see him be able to adjust over a defender like that.  

 

Yes, it was a good throw.  I said Allen made good throws.  What am I missing here?  Did you think I implied that someone else made the throw?  Sorry I didn’t talk about the same play twice I’m both perspectives 

There was no adjustment, that is where the pass was thrown and is a designed play.  It was pitch & catch.  That td was all Allen and Foster was the recipient.

 

 

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

There was no adjustment, that is where the pass was thrown and is a designed play.  It was pitch & catch.  That td was all Allen and Foster was the recipient.

 

 

 

I’ll have to until the All-22 review.  It was a good throw, but intentionally a back shoulder throw, which Foster had to adjust and catch on the defenders back.  

 

Again, something all receivers should be able to do, but Foster hasn’t yet so far.  

 

On a side note, I look at the game from a in-the-moment evaluation and fundamentals for the future.  It’s not just good or bad.  Even with only two catches, Foster showed a skill set he hasn’t before as well as having the opposing defenses starting to respect him.  That’s what I care about going into next season. 

 

Same for Allen.  I care more that he can’t throw a slant and his stupid Int than I do the stuff he’s already proven.  I know what he can do. We all do.  I want to see him learn and grow. I want to see him adjust each week.  His completion percentage increase was a big win.  

[Comebackkid]

2 hours ago, PearlHowardman said:

The Miami Dolphins might just be the smartest team in the AFC East.

 

They know that the Brady/Belichick New England Patriots aren't going anywhere for at least three (3) more seasons so why waste their time trying to win the division?

 

said no one!

Edited December 31, 2018 by Comebackkid

[TigerJ]

Tremain Edmunds had a pretty significant impact today.  One thing I noticed was that he didn't seem to be trying for huge collisions.  He hust wrapped people up.  Tyhat doesn't bother me at all.  In fact with the tendency of officials to call personal foul and roughing penalties so frequently, maybe simply wrapping a guy up is the smarter way to go.  

 

 I was happy that Zay Jones had a pretty big day.  Hopefully it shows that he has the potential to be a factor in the passing game.  It also may be evidence in Josh Allen's ability to spread the ball around.  I didn't really look at what kind of coverage Miami had on Foster, but maybe they shaded coverage more toward him since he's been the bigger factor recently.  If so, it shows Allen is willing to take what the defense is giving him and reading who has single coverage.

[oldmanfan]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

Eh, I’m fairly used to it.  The exaggeration in both posts is annoying.  

Your first sentence you said he seemed like the same old Josh.  How can that be if he had his best game?

 

I do agree he needs to work on his slant patterns, and the pick was a classic rookie misread.

[Virgil]

47 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Your first sentence you said he seemed like the same old Josh.  How can that be if he had his best game?

 

I do agree he needs to work on his slant patterns, and the pick was a classic rookie misread.

 

Some good, some bad, some great, some ugly.  That’s all.  

 

Oh yeah, and 90+ rushing yards.  

 

I don’t understand why people assume saying someone is there same old self, that means it’s negative.  

 

If I said we were signing Aaron Rodgers and we were getting the same old guy he was in Green Bay, I’d be pumped 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Virgil said:

 

Some good, some bad, some great, some ugly.  That’s all.  

 

Oh yeah, and 90+ rushing yards.  

 

I don’t understand why people assume saying someone is there same old self, that means it’s negative.  

 

If I said we were signing Aaron Rodgers and we were getting the same old guy he was in Green Bay, I’d be pumped 

Just seemed an odd way to state it; I thought he had his best game today.  

[Virgil]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Just seemed an odd way to state it; I thought he had his best game today.  

 

Very well possible.  Not disagreeing.  

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Virgil said:

 

Very well possible.  Not disagreeing.  

Cool

[The Firebaugh Kid]

@Virgil hear me out here...but the slants to Zay...throwing to the back shoulder allowed him to plant his foot, turn, and gain way more yardage each time. Could they be throwing it that way on purpose? Ive never seen it before, but just wondering...

He had a slant to Foster I believe that was downright dreadful tho.  

Edited December 31, 2018 by The Firebaugh Kid

[Nick the Greek]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Dont understand why Mills was ejected?? Some fin was pulling his helmet down the whole time and he was pushing back, certainly not an ejectable offense.

 

 

I saw the same thing. Maybe something happened before that wasn’t shown on TV? 

 

I think we will have a better idea of why really happens when fines are handed out in the coming week. I would like to see Mills not get fined ANYTHING. 

[noacls]

3 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I’m glad they won but I could do without the showboating in a meaningless game. You’re out there playing against a team that has given up, stop jumping around taking selfies like you won something. Bleh.

I agree White interception celebration was classless!

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

@Virgil hear me out here...but the slants to Zay...throwing to the back shoulder allowed him to plant his foot, turn, and gain way more yardage each time. Could they be throwing it that way on purpose? Ive never seen it before, but just wondering...

He had a slant to Foster I believe that was downright dreadful tho.  

 

I’m happy to be wrong,  I don’t think I am. The DB gave us a cushion and there wasn’t a LB shading to the inside.  

 

Now, the TD to Zay worked out because Zay’s adjustment to the bad throw allowed him to pivot, reverse field and score.  

 

The other two were also crap throws that killed the flow of the play.  

 

I can accept bad throws here and there, but those were really bad and consistently bad. Almost like he has a problem executing them 

1 minute ago, noacls said:

I agree White interception celebration was classless!

 

It’s a game of passion and emotion.  When you let up a little, you play a little less hard.  If that’s what keeps them going and helps us destroy the fish, go for it 

[noacls]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

I’m happy to be wrong,  I don’t think I am. The DB gave us a cushion and there wasn’t a LB shading to the inside.  

 

Now, the TD to Zay worked out because Zay’s adjustment to the bad throw allowed him to pivot, reverse field and score.  

 

The other two were also crap throws that killed the flow of the play.  

 

I can accept bad throws here and there, but those were really bad and consistently bad. Almost like he has a problem executing them 

 

It’s a game of passion and emotion.  When you let up a little, you play a little less hard.  If that’s what keeps them going and helps us destroy the fish, go for it 

Let's agree to disagree. Lol

[WideNine]

37 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Your first sentence you said he seemed like the same old Josh.  How can that be if he had his best game?

 

I do agree he needs to work on his slant patterns, and the pick was a classic rookie misread.

 

My guess is that Allen has never been asked to throw slants and so many underneath routes (ever) in his brief college QB career with coaches drooling over his arm strength, but I think that this was the plan going in today.

 

Daball, knowing that Miami would take a page out of Belichick's game plan, knew they would focus on containing Josh after what he did to them the first time (NE did that better), take away the deep routes (playing off our receivers), and only allow the quick reads in front of coverage. I think Daboll is perfectly aware that Josh needs to work on his short game and used a somewhat meaningless game to do just that.

 

Now they have more film and can go to work with him this offseason on pre-snap reads and improving the mechanics on those slants and the touch on those swing and wheel routes.

 

 

 

[Nick the Greek]

3 minutes ago, noacls said:

I agree White interception celebration was classless!

The guy made a big play and was pumped up, and decided to get his teammates pumped up too. I’m all for it against the Fish. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

The word culture gets thrown around a lot since McDermott took over in my opinion but today showed just how its changing

 

A little over a year ago gronk went after tre white and the team didnt do a thing in a game that had already been decided. Today the team went crazy when Josh Allen was hit by kiko and the game was still to be determined

 

That's the culture that is changing. This team is going to fight. I look forward to next year

[Jrb1979]

14 minutes ago, Idandria said:

The guy made a big play and was pumped up, and decided to get his teammates pumped up too. I’m all for it against the Fish. 

Maybe for you old school fans beating Miami means a lot but IMO its only a rivalry when both teams are good. 

[thebandit27]

Tell ya what I liked about Allen's game today: it was his first game facing a team for the 2nd time, and he lead the offense to 42 points. You always want to know how a QB will perform once coordinators have tape on him, so while it's a minuscule sample space, it's an encouraging sign 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

Maybe for you old school fans beating Miami means a lot but IMO its only a rivalry when both teams are good. 

That's because you didn't live through the '70s.   Beating the Fish is special to us who did.

[WideNine]

12 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I’m happy to be wrong,  I don’t think I am. The DB gave us a cushion and there wasn’t a LB shading to the inside.  

 

Now, the TD to Zay worked out because Zay’s adjustment to the bad throw allowed him to pivot, reverse field and score.  

 

The other two were also crap throws that killed the flow of the play.  

 

I can accept bad throws here and there, but those were really bad and consistently bad. Almost like he has a problem executing them 

 

It’s a game of passion and emotion.  When you let up a little, you play a little less hard.  If that’s what keeps them going and helps us destroy the fish, go for it 

 

There was a linebacker inside and if the pass is in front of Jones Miami's #28 has him lined up for a de-cleater. I cannot say with certainty that Josh did not throw it where he did to give Zay a chance to avoid what would be certain destruction from a defenseless position. The linebacker should have dropped back a bit and taken away that throwing lane, but was a non-factor and took him self out of the play seeming more concerned with keeping Allen in the pocket.

 

After that Zay did a good job of reversing the field and getting the ball over the goal line. 

 

Another earlier slant to Josh's left seemed to be right on target, but I think there was another to his right later in the game that was definitely behind, so mostly conjecture on my part with the Zay throw.

[Jrb1979]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

That's because you didn't live through the '70s.   Beating the Fish is special to us who did.

Maybe back then it did. Its being up for a game when it means nothing in terms of playoffs. Steelers Ravens is a rivalry as they both usually are playing to win the division.