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1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Welcome to the world of career backups in the NFL. This is who they are, and if you're going to have one, you want the guy who is smarter and more accurate than the others. They're not going to have great arms, and if one  does happen to have a strong arm,  all it tells you is that he was an abject failure as a starter and can't manage a game to save his life. Hello, Brandon Weeden. I'll take Barkley over Weeden ANY day of the week.

There are certain QBs that just cannot play because of their arms. Peterman is one. Barkley is another. Matt Leinart was another. Kellen Moore is another. Coaches sometimes believe these kinds of players can play in the league because of practice and preseason where their physical liabilities never really expose themselves. I have seen Barkley play in regular season games before the Bills and he even had a couple 300 yard games. But he never showed the requisite amount of oomph and he never will. He's been released by five different teams, two of them twice already.

 

And both of his 300 yard games were (close) losses and he threw 5 INTs in them.

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2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There are certain QBs that just cannot play because of their arms. Peterman is one. Barkley is another. Matt Leinart was another. Kellen Moore is another. Coaches sometimes believe these kinds of players can play in the league because of practice and preseason where their physical liabilities never really expose themselves. I have seen Barkley play in regular season games before the Bills and he even had a couple 300 yard games. But he never showed the requisite amount of oomph and he never will. He's been released by five different teams, two of them twice already.

I fundamentally disagree with you because I've seen him play for other teams too. He has a better arm than Leinart even though it isn't great. His arm is no worse than McCown's. I guarantee you that. What he did against a fairly talented Jets D should register with you. He had just signed a few days before, and he ran the offense very capably (i.e., smarts and solid accuracy). He had a couple of off throws, but that's to be expected. It was the Bills' best offensive performance in terms of yardage accumulated since late 2016, and he was fresh from the street, operating with subpar talent around him, and playing on the road.

 

Peterman just sucks irrespective of arm strength. He shouldn't even be in the conversation not just because of that, but because he hasn't hung around long enough to have learned the pro game (as Barkely has done). That is, he doesn't qualify in this conversation. If he hangs on for 5+ years, he will. 

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14 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

Mainly basing it on Josh's comments after Derek was brought on. If he can guide Josh on how to prepare/be a pro then it's worth it. Just doesn't seem like Culley is getting it done (and I haven't seen him near JA during the games lately) and we need to get JA up to speed asap.

Yeah. Like I said, they know much more than I do as a casual observer. If Allen feels like he's helpful, it's worth it to keep him around as a 1m mentor.

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19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There are certain QBs that just cannot play because of their arms. Peterman is one. Barkley is another. Matt Leinart was another. Kellen Moore is another. Coaches sometimes believe these kinds of players can play in the league because of practice and preseason where their physical liabilities never really expose themselves. I have seen Barkley play in regular season games before the Bills and he even had a couple 300 yard games. But he never showed the requisite amount of oomph and he never will. He's been released by five different teams, two of them twice already.

 

And both of his 300 yard games were (close) losses and he threw 5 INTs in them.

PS - I do realize that Bills' fans have been spoiled by Kyle Orton, who is arguably the Platonic ideal of a backup QB - starter level arm strength, smarts, proven ability to win at a .500 level, and a proven ability to walk in off the proverbial street and scratch out a victory. We'll probably never see his likes again. 

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4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I fundamentally disagree with you because I've seen him play for other teams too. He has a better arm than Leinart even though it isn't great. His arm is no worse than McCown's. I guarantee you that. What he did against a fairly talented Jets D should register with you. He had just signed a few days before, and he ran the offense very capably (i.e., smarts and solid accuracy). He had a couple of off throws, but that's to be expected. It was the Bills' best offensive performance in terms of yardage accumulated since late 2016, and he was fresh from the street, operating with subpar talent around him, and playing on the road.

 

Peterman just sucks irrespective of arm strength. He shouldn't even be in the conversation not just because of that, but because he hasn't hung around long enough to have learned the pro game (as Barkely has done). That is, he doesn't qualify in this conversation. If he hangs on for 5+ years, he will. 

Okay now I think you are nuts. Ha. McCown's arm is way, way stronger than Barkley's. Not even in the same ballpark. He's always had sufficient arm strength and his journeyman status was all over other things. He can easily throw the deep out, Barkley cannot.

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2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

PS - I do realize that Bills' fans have been spoiled by Kyle Orton, who is arguably the very ideal of a backup QB - starter level arm strength, smarts, proven ability to win at a .500 level, and a proven ability to walk in off the proverbial street and scratch out a victory. We'll probably never see his likes again. 

Fitz!

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8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Okay now I think you are nuts. Ha. McCown's arm is way, way stronger than Barkley's. Not even in the same ballpark. He's always had sufficient arm strength and his journeyman status was all over other things. He can easily throw the deep out, Barkley cannot.

If you think McCown has had anything but a below-average arm these past five seasons, I don't know what to tell you. The guy is ancient but a decent backup nonetheless. (I'm not talking about the McCown of 2002, by the way; I'm talking about the guy we've repeatedly faced in recent years.)

8 minutes ago, Irv said:

Fitz!

Orton actually has better career stats than Fitz. He was 42-40 as a starter; Fitz is 50-75. Orton also has a higher career passer rating, but only by a tenth of a point. Fitz has been goosing his rating stats these last few years, though; the new passing rules help. 

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5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

If you think McCown has had anything but a below-average arm these past five seasons, I don't know what to tell you. The guy is ancient but a decent backup nonetheless.

Orton actually has better career stats than Fitz. He was 42-40 as a starter; Fitz is 50-75. Orton also has a higher career passer rating, but only by a tenth of a point. Fitz has been goosing his rating stats these last few years, though; the new passing rules help. 

Below average can still play. I didn't say he had a strong arm. But he can make all the throws. A lot of pretty successful quarterbacks have "below average" arms. IMO there is an enormous difference between "below average" which is a minimum requirement but passing nonetheless, and "rag" which is below the minimum requirement and failing.

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1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Below average can still play. I didn't say he had a strong arm. But he can make all the throws. A lot of pretty successful quarterbacks have "below average" arms. IMO there is an enormous difference between "below average" which is a minimum requirement but passing nonetheless, and "rag" which is below the minimum requirement and failing.

I don't think he has a rag arm. It's below average, to be sure. The same thing has always been said about Colt McCoy (rag arm), who is a great backup. 

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17 hours ago, BillsRdue said:

I'd love it if we sign Barkley for 2-3 years @ 5m per. He'd be our Foles (who is having a great game vs Rams tonight)

that would make him (this year) the 3rd highest paid backup ,behind Foles (9 million) Bridgewater (6) tied with Glennon. Then I noticed the article omitted Tyrod from the  'highest -paid backups"list

17 hours ago, BillsRdue said:

I'd love it if we sign Barkley for 2-3 years @ 5m per. He'd be our Foles (who is having a great game vs Rams tonight)

that would make him (this year) the 3rd highest paid backup ,behind Foles (9 million) Bridgewater (6) tied with Glennon. Then I noticed the article omitted Tyrod, Flacco, Bortles.. from the  'highest -paid backups"list

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20 hours ago, TigerJ said:

Given that Barkley is much younger and was far more effective in his start, it would be hard to imagine Mc'dermott preferring Derek Anderson.

 

True, but it’d also be hard to imagine McDermott preferring Peterman over anyone else.

 

Just sayin.

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4 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Below average can still play. I didn't say he had a strong arm. But he can make all the throws. A lot of pretty successful quarterbacks have "below average" arms. IMO there is an enormous difference between "below average" which is a minimum requirement but passing nonetheless, and "rag" which is below the minimum requirement and failing.

 

Barkley has a weak arm.  I put him on the edge of capable.

I still think they sign him for a 2 year contract and they go get another guy too.

 

As for his cost.  He has been on 6 teams in 6 years and has made 4.8 million total.

He will trip over himself to sign a 2 year 2.5 million total contract.

 

I think it's smart to sign him so JA doesn't have 2 new guys in the QB room come spring.

If they can sign another "Anderson" type vet to a 1 year it would be great.

Draft a young guy in 2020.

 

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On ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 3:15 PM, dave mcbride said:

If you think McCown has had anything but a below-average arm these past five seasons, I don't know what to tell you. The guy is ancient but a decent backup nonetheless. (I'm not talking about the McCown of 2002, by the way; I'm talking about the guy we've repeatedly faced in recent years.)

Orton actually has better career stats than Fitz. He was 42-40 as a starter; Fitz is 50-75. Orton also has a higher career passer rating, but only by a tenth of a point. Fitz has been goosing his rating stats these last few years, though; the new passing rules help. 

 

By the end of his career Orton was flinching on every passing play.  He'd had enough. 

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On 12/16/2018 at 10:34 PM, TigerJ said:

Given that Barkley is much younger and was far more effective in his start, it would be hard to imagine Mc'dermott preferring Derek Anderson.

 

..which would redefine asinine.......McBeane begged Anderson to "come off the beach", bailing his butt out as a favor for the huge QB gaffe.......thinking Peterman's "meteoric rise to readiness" against rubber bullets made him ready as an NFL starter?.....seriously?......dumping McCarron prematurely for a highly coveted" 5th round pick was disastrous....Barkley and McCarron are a relatively equal comparison with the major difference being McCarron was with one club while Barkley (believe he was at some point thought to be a potential 1st round pick) is well traveled....doubt he'll ever be an NFL starter, so he should be considering his best backup deal......5th club in 6 years says he's never been offered a longer term backup deal......up to him if he considers Bflo or shops.....

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On 12/17/2018 at 11:41 AM, Kelly the Dog said:

He can't throw the ball consistently more than 15 yards. He's much smarter and more accurate than all of those guys but it's like playing a WR who runs a 5.9 40. He can have a good game and catch some balls and even score some TDs once in a while, but his physical incapability doesn't allow him to play well enough in this league. Barkley has played well about 3 times in his career, and even with that great game he has 10 TD and 18 INT and a 68 rating. It's because of his arm, only. He showed that he can make good decisions and learn offenses and lead a team. That is not his problem. His arm is his problem. 

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On 12/17/2018 at 2:41 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

Barkley has played well about 3 times in his career, and even with that great game he has 10 TD and 18 INT and a 68 rating. It's because of his arm, only. He showed that he can make good decisions and learn offenses and lead a team. That is not his problem. His arm is his problem. 

 

...and exactly how many of the deep, fertile  and rich mecca of backup NFL QB's are STILL employed out of shear desperation?..paycheck extortion or impersonating an NFL QB charges on the horizon??.....without "shear desperation", Waste Management would NOT "pick up" the vast majority on any given Monday......

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On 12/17/2018 at 1:35 AM, Dadonkadonk said:

McCarron was signed to be the starter. Barkley might be an ok backup, But there is a reason he was out of football. Happy to keep him for next year at much less than $5M

what happens if another team like tampa offers a good deal?....with a more likelihood to see a start at some point. i wouldn't count him as an autosign.  that being said, they should bring in chad kelly for the off season and see how committed he is to restoring his career. could be a win/win if we lose matt and even if we draft one late.....

 

although that garrett gilbert is intriguing....

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On 12/17/2018 at 10:25 AM, BillsVet said:

It's nice that people are getting emotional and talking about a guy's reaction.

 

Still, that doesn't factor into whether it's best for the team to keep someone.

 

Barkley had one start where, a few weeks before, he was out of the NFL.  If he's good enough to mentor Allen and, if necessary backup, then sure, sign him.

 

His celebration on the sideline doesn't matter.

 

He was injured in preseason and reached an injury settlement.  Wouldn't have been cut otherwise by the Bengals

 

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