Ball Security Not all that Important to Josh Allen

[RobH063]

In Allen's press Conference yesterday, I was a little shocked when he said words to the effect of Coach McDermott preaches ball security all the time and there were a couple of plays where it wasn't the most important thing to me. How can ball security not be the most important thing every time you touch the ball? Yes, interceptions and fumbles are going to happen because he's playing against other professionals that are really good football players but scrambling and running toward the sideline and then throwing the ball across your body toward a receiver that's surrounded by several defenders because ball security isn't high on the priority list is a problem. Running with the football not tucked away like Shady McCoy is a problem. Most will say he's young, he's a rookie, he'll learn not to do those things. But will he? Is this kid even coachable? Am I supposed to believe that no coach anywhere in all the years he's been playing QB, has even tried to teach him about ball security? He's hearing all this for the first time now in the NFL? Or is he just not learning the lessons being taught to him? Every week we hear about how his footwork needs to improve to make him more accurate and once again yesterday, I saw numerous plays where his front foot is pointing one direction and he's throwing the ball another direction. His footwork hasn't really improved so if he doesn't listen to the preaching about ball security, are we to believe he's listening to the coaches about his footwork or anything else for that matter? I'm not a Josh Allen hater by any means. I hope the kid becomes the franchise QB for the Bills everyone hopes for, but I do question how much his physical talents and being told how great he is for several years has impeded his ability to be coached up so he learns and becomes the best QB he can be.

[CheshireCT]

Bad choice of words. He is owning up to ball security mistakes.

[Gugny]

5 minutes ago, RobH063 said:

In Allen's press Conference yesterday, I was a little shocked when he said words to the effect of Coach McDermott preaches ball security all the time and there were a couple of plays where it wasn't the most important thing to me. How can ball security not be the most important thing every time you touch the ball? Yes, interceptions and fumbles are going to happen because he's playing against other professionals that are really good football players but scrambling and running toward the sideline and then throwing the ball across your body toward a receiver that's surrounded by several defenders because ball security isn't high on the priority list is a problem. Running with the football not tucked away like Shady McCoy is a problem. Most will say he's young, he's a rookie, he'll learn not to do those things. But will he? Is this kid even coachable? Am I supposed to believe that no coach anywhere in all the years he's been playing QB, has even tried to teach him about ball security? He's hearing all this for the first time now in the NFL? Or is he just not learning the lessons being taught to him? Every week we hear about how his footwork needs to improve to make him more accurate and once again yesterday, I saw numerous plays where his front foot is pointing one direction and he's throwing the ball another direction. His footwork hasn't really improved so if he doesn't listen to the preaching about ball security, are we to believe he's listening to the coaches about his footwork or anything else for that matter? I'm not a Josh Allen hater by any means. I hope the kid becomes the franchise QB for the Bills everyone hopes for, but I do question how much his physical talents and being told how great he is for several years has impeded his ability to be coached up so he learns and becomes the best QB he can be.

 

You ask a lot of questions.

[RobH063]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

You ask a lot of questions.

Would you prefer I start a new thread for each question I have like most people or put them all into one thread?

[Bangarang]

Look at that big wall of text. Just look at it.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, RobH063 said:

Would you prefer I start a new thread for each question I have like most people or put them all into one thread?

 

What I'd rather is that you give having a cents of humor a shot.

[ricojes]

Don't see anything wrong with what he said:

 

I’ve got to be smarter with the football,” Allen said. “I gave it away three times and I didn’t put us in great situations and great position. Coach (Sean) McDermott preaches ball security all the time, and there were a couple of plays where it just wasn’t the most important thing and it hurt us.”

 

He's not saying ball security is not important to him, he is saying his decision on a couple plays made it look as though it wasn't.  He is basically saying ball security is crucial and he made 3 really bad mistakes. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by ricojes

[Rc2catch]

Ball security isn’t priority #1 when you’re running for your life lol

I think he’d rather fumble than leanord Williams crush him.. again 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, RobH063 said:

Would you prefer I start a new thread for each question I have like most people or put them all into one thread?

 

Paragraph breaks would be dandy.

 

Walls of text are walls of text.

 

[CodeMonkey]

He is a kid and wants to win very badly.  He can learn that.  

[26CornerBlitz]

13 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

Bad choice of words. He is owning up to ball security mistakes.

 

Exactly that. He's taking responsibility for his failings in that regard and he'll be better for the experience in the long run. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, CodeMonkey said:

He is a kid and wants to win very badly

 

Which, after EJ  Orton and Tyrod is a blessing.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

What I'd rather is that you give having a cents of humor a shot.

 

Or even dollars 

1 hour ago, RobH063 said:

.... How can ball security not be the most important thing every time you touch the ball? ....

 

He saying based on result, it wasn’t important to him but infers it should’ve been. He’s owning it. 

 

I seem to recall that It took Farve some time to break that habbit of doing the more reckless stuff...  there’s hope. 

 

Also Darnold did the same thing as McDerm eluded to which resulted in Tremaines pick 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[row_33]

32 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Look at that big wall of text. Just look at it.

 

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

pass

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Exactly that. He's taking responsibility for his failings in that regard and he'll be better for the experience in the long run. 

I honestly don't know how you could walk away from Allen's post game press conference thinking anything other than he was owning up to his mistakes, understood full well how important ball security is, and that he needs to do better.

 

I think the OP is misinterpreting the statement. There were several times Allen was talking about risk vs reward, as in when he was explaining the interception at the end of the game. He stated there was a little over a minute left on the clock and they had no timeouts - and they needed "large chunks" of yardage and "checkdowns" were not going to help them. I believe that was a moment when ball security wasn't the most important thing to him. He still admitted it was a bad pass; however, he was trying to push the ball deep close to the sidelines - a pass he might not have attempted otherwise. On the other hand, when he talked about the 1st interception he clearly stated it was too much risk for limited reward and that he cannot make those kinds of throws.

 

He owned up to some bad decisions. I'm good with that.

[Magox]

I can't remember who said it, I think Tony Romo but it was something along the lines that he'd like to see these young rookie QB's take more chances and if that means turning it over, so be it.

 

With that said, that was a horrible decision by Allen on that one pick and I'm sure that he'll learn from it.  

 

The last pick at the end of the game, I think he had predetermined that he was going to throw to Zay and was surprised to see the DB drift back.  Not a good play by Josh Allen and that play believe it or not to me is a little more difficult to learn from.  The first was just a bad decision, the second was not reading the play correctly.

 

Another area that Allen needs to work on is his touch.  Although Clay dropped that pass in the first half (Which he should have caught) it wasn't so much that it was too low which it was, I think it was somewhere around knee to thigh high it was that Clay had a couple steps on his man and he needed to recognize that he didn't have to hurry the pass as much as that he did and that in some circumstances it is ok to take something off the ball.  That could have been a huge gainer.    He's done that quite a few times this year where the receiver is not being tightly covered where he still tries to zing it in there when it is not necessary.   That is something else I believe he will make a huge leap in his second year.

 

There is a lot to be optimistic about Allen.  He is the offense and he's putting up good overall totals with a team that is devoid of playmakers and an offensive line.   

 

 

[dakrider]

Someone can be "told" lots of things, but to actually experience those things and determine what you did wrong is much more beneficial than simply being told about them. 

[34-78-83]

Try listening to the audio instead of just reading the text commentary before panties get into a wad. It's available in like 20 different places.

 

Much like (for many others) - Try watching the game instead of making assumptions off of the box score or game log.

[RyanC883]

The excuses for Allen, who has NEVER had a good completion percentage are getting classic.  "Dropped passes."  Guess who else has WR's that drop passes: Every QB in the NFL!   The O-line is terrible, but that does not make him heave the ball into the middle of the field for an easy INT instead of throwing it out of bounds.   It also does not make him have horrid ball placement on the final throw.  Contrast that to Darnold's ball placement to Anderson over one of the best CB's in the NFL (White).  A 44.4 QBR is terrible.  A 50ish completion percentage is exactly around where he was in college.  He lacks touch on the intermedia passes.   If I'm the Bills, I'm getting a QB in FA.  (Bridgewater). 

 

Can Allen improve with a better OL and another WR, perhaps.  But Allen flat-out missed wide-open WR's yesterday, and rifled passes incomplete that most QB's with a bit of touch make. 

 

 

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Exactly that. He's taking responsibility for his failings in that regard and he'll be better for the experience in the long run. 

 

except he keeps repeating the same mistakes.  Still no touch on the ball, still heaving it into the middle of the field, which I'm sure he has been told NOT to do since HS.  Taking ownership is great, actually improving is better. 

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

The excuses for Allen, who has NEVER had a good completion percentage are getting classic.  "Dropped passes."  Guess who else has WR's that drop passes: Every QB in the NFL!   The O-line is terrible, but that does not make him heave the ball into the middle of the field for an easy INT instead of throwing it out of bounds.   It also does not make him have horrid ball placement on the final throw.  Contrast that to Darnold's ball placement to Anderson over one of the best CB's in the NFL (White).  A 44.4 QBR is terrible.  A 50ish completion percentage is exactly around where he was in college.  He lacks touch on the intermedia passes.   If I'm the Bills, I'm getting a QB in FA.  (Bridgewater). 

 

Can Allen improve with a better OL and another WR, perhaps.  But Allen flat-out missed wide-open WR's yesterday, and rifled passes incomplete that most QB's with a bit of touch make. 

 

 

 

Ladies and Gentlemen, Sam Darnold:

                                        CMP  ATT    YDS   CMP% AVG  TD  LNG   INT   FUM   QBR

2018 Regular Season   175   313   2,104   55.9   6.72   12     76     15    4         33.9

 

Edited December 10, 2018 by thebandit27

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

The excuses for Allen, who has NEVER had a good completion percentage are getting classic.  "Dropped passes."  Guess who else has WR's that drop passes: Every QB in the NFL!   The O-line is terrible, but that does not make him heave the ball into the middle of the field for an easy INT instead of throwing it out of bounds.   It also does not make him have horrid ball placement on the final throw.  Contrast that to Darnold's ball placement to Anderson over one of the best CB's in the NFL (White).  A 44.4 QBR is terrible.  A 50ish completion percentage is exactly around where he was in college.  He lacks touch on the intermedia passes.   If I'm the Bills, I'm getting a QB in FA.  (Bridgewater). 

 

Can Allen improve with a better OL and another WR, perhaps.  But Allen flat-out missed wide-open WR's yesterday, and rifled passes incomplete that most QB's with a bit of touch make. 

 

except he keeps repeating the same mistakes.  Still no touch on the ball, still heaving it into the middle of the field, which I'm sure he has been told NOT to do since HS.  Taking ownership is great, actually improving is better. 

 

IIRC, it's his 1st lost fumble this season while on the run and he did have the same kind of INT at GB where he tried to do too much instead of throwing the ball away.   He has shown improvement in a number of facets, but obviously there is room for additional growth.

[RyanC883]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

Ladies and Gentlemen, Sam Darnold:

CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	QBR	RAT
2018 Regular Season	175	313	2,104	55.9	6.72	12	76	15	4	33.9

 

 

Darnold is awful also.   But who was better yesterday.   Nice red herring response, btw.  Look, a QB who is worse.  You're scrapping the bottom when you take Darnold or any Jets QB to make yourself feel better about your QB situation. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, RobH063 said:

In Allen's press Conference yesterday, I was a little shocked when he said words to the effect of Coach McDermott preaches ball security all the time and there were a couple of plays where it wasn't the most important thing to me. How can ball security not be the most important thing every time you touch the ball? Yes, interceptions and fumbles are going to happen because he's playing against other professionals that are really good football players but scrambling and running toward the sideline and then throwing the ball across your body toward a receiver that's surrounded by several defenders because ball security isn't high on the priority list is a problem. Running with the football not tucked away like Shady McCoy is a problem. Most will say he's young, he's a rookie, he'll learn not to do those things. But will he? Is this kid even coachable? Am I supposed to believe that no coach anywhere in all the years he's been playing QB, has even tried to teach him about ball security? He's hearing all this for the first time now in the NFL? Or is he just not learning the lessons being taught to him? Every week we hear about how his footwork needs to improve to make him more accurate and once again yesterday, I saw numerous plays where his front foot is pointing one direction and he's throwing the ball another direction. His footwork hasn't really improved so if he doesn't listen to the preaching about ball security, are we to believe he's listening to the coaches about his footwork or anything else for that matter? I'm not a Josh Allen hater by any means. I hope the kid becomes the franchise QB for the Bills everyone hopes for, but I do question how much his physical talents and being told how great he is for several years has impeded his ability to be coached up so he learns and becomes the best QB he can be.

 

I heard that as Allen saying there were a couple plays where he had deviated from what he's being coached - ie, identifying the problem and accepting responsibility .

 

As he should.

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

IIRC, it's his 1st lost fumble this season while on the run and he did have the same kind of INT at GB where he tried to do too much instead of throwing the ball away.   He has shown improvement in a number of facets, but obviously there is room for additional growth.

 

It's like he (a) does not care, or (b) is stupid.  That interception is something that you should not be doing in HS, College, and he is doing it REPEATEDLY in the NFL.   MCD needs to tell him that he does it again, he is sitting the next drive. 

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I heard that as Allen saying there were a couple plays where he had deviated from what he's being coached - ie, identifying the problem and accepting responsibility .

 

As he should.

 

and the coach should say, "you deviate again, your going to deviate to the bench the next drive."   Pretty arrogant to be deviating from the coaching to heave the ball into the middle of the field when your not close to an all-pro. 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Darnold is awful also.   But who was better yesterday.   Nice red herring response, btw.  Look, a QB who is worse.  You're scrapping the bottom when you take Darnold or any Jets QB to make yourself feel better about your QB situation. 

 

No, Darnold isn't awful...he's a rookie.  This is what rookies look like...try watching the NFL occasionally.

 

Believe it or not, these guys both look MUCH better than Goff and Trubisky did as rookies...but hey, when you need to bang on a keyboard and get out some frustration, sometimes you're going to go ahead and toss the facts out the window in favor of raw emotion.

 

I get it, but it's stupid.

 

Oh, and who was better yesterday? Neither.  They both turned the ball over, they both missed opportunities, and they both put their team in position to win the game.  If not for 2 missed FGs we'd be sitting here talking about how Allen got the job done.

 

But hey, you do you man.

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

and the coach should say, "you deviate again, your going to deviate to the bench the next drive."   Pretty arrogant to be deviating from the coaching to heave the ball into the middle of the field when your not close to an all-pro. 

 

Ah, so the coach should tell his rookie QB not to take any chances in a lost season when the kid's trying to learn?

 

That would be unmitigated stupidity.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

It's like he (a) does not care, or (b) is stupid.  That interception is something that you should not be doing in HS, College, and he is doing it REPEATEDLY in the NFL.   MCD needs to tell him that he does it again, he is sitting the next drive. 

 

Repeatedly?  I'd say it's the 2nd time he's thrown one like that although he has lived dangerously on others. Yanking him would be a bad move IMO with essentially nothing to play for at 4-9.. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, Magox said:

I can't remember who said it, I think Tony Romo but it was something along the lines that he'd like to see these young rookie QB's take more chances and if that means turning it over, so be it.

 

Romo said it during the Vikes game.

I'll be interested to hear what he said about yesterday's INTs as I wasn't listening to audio.

 

53 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

With that said, that was a horrible decision by Allen on that one pick and I'm sure that he'll learn from it.  

 

The last pick at the end of the game, I think he had predetermined that he was going to throw to Zay and was surprised to see the DB drift back.  Not a good play by Josh Allen and that play believe it or not to me is a little more difficult to learn from.  The first was just a bad decision, the second was not reading the play correctly.

 

Another area that Allen needs to work on is his touch.  Although Clay dropped that pass in the first half (Which he should have caught) it wasn't so much that it was too low which it was, I think it was somewhere around knee to thigh high it was that Clay had a couple steps on his man and he needed to recognize that he didn't have to hurry the pass as much as that he did and that in some circumstances it is ok to take something off the ball.  That could have been a huge gainer.    He's done that quite a few times this year where the receiver is not being tightly covered where he still tries to zing it in there when it is not necessary.   That is something else I believe he will make a huge leap in his second year.

 

There is a lot to be optimistic about Allen.  He is the offense and he's putting up good overall totals with a team that is devoid of playmakers and an offensive line.  

 

Allen has a lot - a lot of mental toughness, a lot of sheer physical athletic ability, a lot of intelligence, a lot of development needs, and a lot to learn.

He's a rookie.  We'll see.

 

You're damn straight he's the offense right now and has no OL and no run game to support him, and questionable talent at WR and TE.

[Dr.Sack]

Winning is important to me also 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

You ask a lot of questions.

 

I kind of feel they have a rhetorical aspect to them

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

No, Darnold isn't awful...he's a rookie.  This is what rookies look like...try watching the NFL occasionally.

 

Believe it or not, these guys both look MUCH better than Goff and Trubisky did as rookies...but hey, when you need to bang on a keyboard and get out some frustration, sometimes you're going to go ahead and toss the facts out the window in favor of raw emotion.

 

I get it, but it's stupid.

 

Oh, and who was better yesterday? Neither.  They both turned the ball over, they both missed opportunities, and they both put their team in position to win the game.  If not for 2 missed FGs we'd be sitting here talking about how Allen got the job done.

 

But hey, you do you man.

 

Ah, so the coach should tell his rookie QB not to take any chances in a lost season when the kid's trying to learn?

 

That would be unmitigated stupidity.

 

Hey, if calling another poster "stupid," and acting arrogant is your thing, well, you do you.  Darnold made plays when he needed to yesterday, Allen didn't.  Darnold played better yesterday. 

 

And the coach clearly, if you watched his press conference, was not happy with Allen throwing the ball into the middle of the field instead of out of bounds.  Telling a QB to take SMART chances is what a coach should do.  Heaving the ball into the middle of the field in that situation, that's unmitigatedly stupid.  But perhaps you need to actually think before responding instead of banging on a keyboard??

 

And no, Goff and Trubisky were not much better than Darnold or Allen as rookies.  Goff and Trubisky both had better completion percentages and QBR.  A little research would have helped you there.   Oh, and both were better in college.  What we are seeing here in Allen is a kid who thinks he is superman, and goes out and makes bonehead plays and doe not listen to coaching.  And we have seen no improvement in accuracy or touch.  Why will this improve next year?

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Romo said it during the Vikes game.

I'll be interested to hear what he said about yesterday's INTs as I wasn't listening to audio.

 

 

Allen has a lot - a lot of mental toughness, a lot of sheer physical athletic ability, a lot of intelligence, a lot of development needs, and a lot to learn.



He's a rookie.  We'll see.

  

You're damn straight he's the offense right now and has no OL and no run game to support him, and questionable talent at WR and TE.

 

We need a massive TE upgrade.  TE is supposed to be a rookie QB's best friend (or a good C, or RB).  We need to hit TE and C in FA. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Why will this improve next year?

 

Why won't it? You're making the assertion, you back it up.

 

 

[RyanC883]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Repeatedly?  I'd say it's the 2nd time he's thrown one like that although he has lived dangerously on others. Yanking him would be a bad move IMO with essentially nothing to play for at 4-9.. 

 

I agree, but I'd only yank him for one drive.   Coaches do it all the time to RB's for fumbling.  Making a repeated ill-advised heave into the middle of the field instead of out of bounds when you have been told repeatedly NOT to do that, IMO, warrants a one series benching.  Lets try to fix Allen's mistakes now, since as you correctly point out, there is not much else to play for here. 

 

 

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Why won't it? You're making the assertion, you back it up. 

 

 

 

It hasn't improved from college to the NFL.   The same issues (low completion percentage, lack of touch, etc) are still present.  What makes someone think it will improve next year?  I hope it does.  But if the Bills build around Allen and he still can't perform, what's plan B? 

 

I'd: (1) build around Allen; (2) try to get Bridgewater in FA.    What if they both play well: great, trade one. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Hey, if calling another poster "stupid," and acting arrogant is your thing, well, you do you.  Darnold made plays when he needed to yesterday, Allen didn't.  Darnold played better yesterday. 

 

And the coach clearly, if you watched his press conference, was not happy with Allen throwing the ball into the middle of the field instead of out of bounds.  Telling a QB to take SMART chances is what a coach should do.  Heaving the ball into the middle of the field in that situation, that's unmitigatedly stupid.  But perhaps you need to actually think before responding instead of banging on a keyboard??

 

And no, Goff and Trubisky were not much better than Darnold or Allen as rookies.  Goff and Trubisky both had better completion percentages and QBR.  A little research would have helped you there.   Oh, and both were better in college.  What we are seeing here in Allen is a kid who thinks he is superman, and goes out and makes bonehead plays and doe not listen to coaching.  And we have seen no improvement in accuracy or touch.  Why will this improve next year?

This is unadulterated nonsense, and there is far too much of it on this board.  He doesn't listen at all to his coaches?  Crap.  He made a bad play yesterday on that first pick, and now he does not listen to his coaches?  You have seen no improvement in accuracy?  Also crap.  Watch the actual games and see how many times he hits guys right in the hands or the numbers only to see them drop the ball.  By the way Goff hasn't looked good the last couple weeks.  He threw a couple picks yesterday.  Is he boneheaded?  Is he  not listening to McVey? 

 

Danrnold made the same type of throw and got picked yesterday.  But he's not boneheaded, is he?  No, to you he played better. 

 

Allen  and Darnold are both young guys with things to learn.  So are Goff and Trubiskey.  But of course who do some Bills fans single out as the guy who can't cut it?  Their own QB.

 

Disgusting.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

It hasn't improved from college to the NFL.  

 

You've given him all of EIGHT games with the worst WRs and one of the worst OLs in the NFL to make that sage judgement?

 

Someone's got an agenda.

[RyanC883]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You've given him all of EIGHT games with the worst WRs and one of the worst OLs in the NFL to make that sage judgement?

 

Someone's got an agenda.

 

I have no agenda.   I've also seen zero improvement.   The OL did not make him heave the ball into the middle of the field, or throw a terrible pass at the end of the game, or lack touch on intermediate passes all year.   Same issues from college in the NFL.  I actually want him to succeed, because next offseason will be the "build around Allen" offseason.  But I'd like to see some improvement in decision-making and touch this year.  I'd rather see 100 incomplete passes because my WR and OL stink, then heaving the ball into the middle of the field. 

 

Rookie QB's will always be pressured (unless you are Darnold yesterday, who for some reason we decided not to blitz.  But that's another issue). 

 

[dickleyjones]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Look at that big wall of text. Just look at it.

if you look at it long enough does it turn into one of those 3D images? i think i see a boat...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I have no agenda.   I've also seen zero improvement.  

 

Say it with me:

 

"over eight games of his rookie season with arguably the worst supporting cast in the NFL."

 

Adjust to reality man. It'll be ok. Darnold did nothing till the fourth quarter, and then made exactly TWO really good passes. He wasn't the second coming of namath.

 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Joe in Winslow

[RyanC883]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

This is unadulterated nonsense, and there is far too much of it on this board.  He doesn't listen at all to his coaches?  Crap.  He made a bad play yesterday on that first pick, and now he does not listen to his coaches?  You have seen no improvement in accuracy?  Also crap.  Watch the actual games and see how many times he hits guys right in the hands or the numbers only to see them drop the ball.  By the way Goff hasn't looked good the last couple weeks.  He threw a couple picks yesterday.  Is he boneheaded?  Is he  not listening to McVey?  

 

Danrnold made the same type of throw and got picked yesterday.  But he's not boneheaded, is he?  No, to you he played better. 



 

Allen  and Darnold are both young guys with things to learn.  So are Goff and Trubiskey.  But of course who do some Bills fans single out as the guy who can't cut it?  Their own QB.

 

Disgusting.

 

haahah.  you are too funny.   Allen ADMITTED he did some things (throw the ball into the middle of the field) that were bad.  And yeah, Darnold also did it.  Was also ridiculous for him to do it. 

 

Goff played the Bears last night, but I didn't see a lot of bonehead plays.  I saw a lot of WR's missing their routes.  

 

The issue with Allen is that we are seeing the same problems that we saw coming into the draft.  Accuracy and touch.  No improvement.  If he improved in one of those areas I'd be happy.  He hasn't. 

 

And I wouldn't want Darnold either. For the record, I think Allen is the better QB.  Darnold just had a better overall game yesterday.  He led his team on a game winning drive (aided by our terrible D play). 

[dubs]

Ball security isn’t the most important thing for a QB. I think “ball security” is just a borderline meaningless statement that coaches and players say all the time. 

 

When yoh you are too concerned with ball security, you get Tyrod Taylor. 

 

More accurately it’s: making instant risk/reward trade off decisions and not making stupid decisions. Allen wasn’t great with that yesterday but he will get better. 

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Say it with me:

 

"over eight games of his rookie season with arguably the worst supporting cast in the NFL."

 

Adjust to reality man. It'll be ok. Darnold did nothing till the fourth quarter, and then made exactly TWO really good passes. He wasn't the second coming of namath. 

 

 

 

 

ZERO improvement from College to NFL.   Some people are so desperate for Allen to be the "answer" that they throw all objectivity out the window.  Yeah, his cast is bad, esp. the OL.   But will an improved OL improve Allen's touch, or his heaving it into the middle of the field?  Or his accuracy?   I hope so. 

 

I also hope the Bills get Allen a QB coach.