Dadonkadonk Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I think there is zero chance McDermott or Beane are let go and that is probably the right decision. As McD always professes let’s evalaute him and discuss what he needs to do to improve. 1. Coordinators/staff: Im ok with Daboll and Frazier. Crossman and the entire offensive staff need to be replaced. Every aspect of the offense has regressed. I keep Daboll because at times he has called an ok game and he gets another year with Allen. 2. Challenges: 0-6 this year and just dumb ones as well. The entire process needs to be reworked. 3. Risk/reward/percentages: the Jauron comparisons are quite fair here. As someone posted today every once in a while you have to go for it on fourth down to make theattempt at drawing an offsides even a remote possibility. He is far too conservative in a year where the season was over in October. He should be rolling the dice early and often. This year is all about taking chances because there is virtually no downside. A 59 yard FG is a higher percentage play than a hail mary. 4. Penalties: yes a lot of young guys are playing but this is not little league. Many of these penalties are presnap and pretty sure they teach that stuff in 5th grade. 5. Roster spots for special teams: special teams are not a third of the game. 20% by snap count at best. And it is far more likely one of these moron special teams guys will commit a penalty than make a play. Coverage units have been awful all year and the return units equally as bad. No more special team WRs that can’t do anything else. 6. Accountability: hard to justify trading away Dareus and KB still starts. 7. Clock management: two years in a row before halftime clock management has been dreadful. Miami gifted them a FG attempt and they blew a TO and chance to get the ball closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Anyone else think this thread was going to call them a couple of donkeys? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The happy clappy stuff is really getting old. How about teaching some discipline. Rex didn't seem to care all that much but Mac professes to do so. We're still waiting and it's getting late. Also, I'd have a more positive vibe about him remaining here if he'd get a decent special teams coach for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: I think there is zero chance McDermott or Beane are let go and that is probably the right decision. As McD always professes let’s evalaute him and discuss what he needs to do to improve. 1. Coordinators/staff: Im ok with Daboll and Frazier. Crossman and the entire offensive staff need to be replaced. Every aspect of the offense has regressed. I keep Daboll because at times he has called an ok game and he gets another year with Allen. 2. Challenges: 0-6 this year and just dumb ones as well. The entire process needs to be reworked. 3. Risk/reward/percentages: the Jauron comparisons are quite fair here. As someone posted today every once in a while you have to go for it on fourth down to make theattempt at drawing an offsides even a remote possibility. He is far too conservative in a year where the season was over in October. He should be rolling the dice early and often. This year is all about taking chances because there is virtually no downside. A 59 yard FG is a higher percentage play than a hail mary. 4. Penalties: yes a lot of young guys are playing but this is not little league. Many of these penalties are presnap and pretty sure they teach that stuff in 5th grade. 5. Roster spots for special teams: special teams are not a third of the game. 20% by snap count at best. And it is far more likely one of these moron special teams guys will commit a penalty than make a play. Coverage units have been awful all year and the return units equally as bad. No more special team WRs that can’t do anything else. 6. Accountability: hard to justify trading away Dareus and KB still starts. 7. Clock management: two years in a row before halftime clock management has been dreadful. Miami gifted them a FG attempt and they blew a TO and chance to get the ball closer. dareus doesn't play half the time due to injury or drugs..give me a break 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 McD is a mixed bag, just like this team. He gets one more year. This offseason has to address the glaring deficiences we have all mentioned in numerous threads, then we make our final judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Yawn! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He’s a solid coach. I was hoping for genius, but I’m pretty sure he isn’t that. He still does head scratching things every game - like not kicking at the end of the half. But most coaches are like that. There aren’t many geniuses. It seems like lately that he is at least gameplanning well, and the players are motivated. That works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He's got the team getting better. Lots of young guys. I think they like to play for him and they are developing. I'm satisfied as long as I see growth on the offensive side of the ball, which you do when Allen is in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Jolla Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 They are improving. Let’s keep the staff together one more year. If we see no considerable improvement. Get rid of the entire regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Sean McD took over a team that finished 7-9 in 2016. 13 teams had 7 or fewer wins that year. Of that group of teams, 7 have surpassed the Bills since then. One of them (Eagles) won last years super bowl. McD's process appears to be slower than some other teams process. Kaizen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Fire his A** on December 30th at 4:30pm. Just too many stupid coaching decisions, and the team has virtually ZERO discipline. Am serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, Success said: He’s a solid coach. I was hoping for genius, but I’m pretty sure he isn’t that. He still does head scratching things every game - like not kicking at the end of the half. But most coaches are like that. There aren’t many geniuses. It seems like lately that he is at least gameplanning well, and the players are motivated. That works for me. New holder. A missed extra point and a missed field goal today. Maybe McDermott wasn’t questioning house money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Sean McD took over a team that finished 7-9 in 2016. 13 teams had 7 or fewer wins that year. Of that group of teams, 7 have surpassed the Bills since then. One of them (Eagles) won last years super bowl. McD's process appears to be slower than some other teams process. Kaizen. Good post. Looking at that list, if Bills with Allen in 2019 are like LA or Chicago the team is going to be tough to beat. On that list there are two HOF QBs that combined for 12 wins last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said: 6. Accountability: hard to justify trading away Dareus and KB still starts. Still with this nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I'm not to the point where I want him fired, but I am seriously concerned about his ability to be a good HC in the NFL. Clock management, team discipline, stupid penalties, stupid review requests, questionable roster management. He's made a lot of mistakes. It doesn't seem to be getting better. I'm concerned, but haven't given up on the little guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
707BillsFan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Give him an extension (yes he has 2 more years on his contract) and lets be done w/ it. I'm tired of the coaching carousel we've had throughout our history. With the exception of Knox and Marv, coaches don't last more than 3 seasons. Can't get an continuity w/ constant turnover. Keep him around the just chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Dadonkadonk said: Good post. Looking at that list, if Bills with Allen in 2019 are like LA or Chicago the team is going to be tough to beat. On that list there are two HOF QBs that combined for 12 wins last year. To be clear, those are results from 2 seasons ago in the first columns. The last year before McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Cruiserplayer said: New holder. A missed extra point and a missed field goal today. Maybe McDermott wasn’t questioning house money. The hold on the XP was fine and the missed FG was in the second half. McD butchered that sequence at the end of the half. With only 5 secs the correct play was to kick the FG even with a TO. Almost any other play even with a TO is difficult to execute. A skinny post for 6 yards would have been nice with an immediate TO. But after using the TO to avoid a delay, the correct move was to kick the FG. Nearly nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I love the "give him one more year" folks. Terry & Kim love McDermott. He is as safe as any coach in the NFL and is guaranteed to get the life of Josh Allen's rookie deal - at minimum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I’m 50/50 on him. Good defensive coach but he definitely has his short comings as a game day HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What I really didn't like was how the offense seemed to have to fight against the coaching decision not to try and score at the end of the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familykwi Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm not to the point where I want him fired, but I am seriously concerned about his ability to be a good HC in the NFL. Clock management, team discipline, stupid penalties, stupid review requests, questionable roster management. He's made a lot of mistakes. It doesn't seem to be getting better. I'm concerned, but haven't given up on the little guy. The "little guy" line reminds me of the Benny Hill sidekick that keeps getting slapped on his bald head. heh heh. Anyway... I think for two years this team has overproduced. The Bills clearly do not have the talent of other teams. Sometimes it shows and sometimes they surprise me positively. If he truly evaluates to get better every week, then some of his flaws have to start showing improvement. * His challenges are comical. I was quite bothered he tossed it after progress was obviously out of the end zone. * I don't think his time management is as bad as his tendency to just concede time at the end of a half. The kid wants to push it. Let him fly. He's not going to learn turning and handing it off in those situations. * If we're keeping players specifically to perform better at ST, then that's a failure all around. I don't think we need major coaching changes otherwise, just more talent. * This team shows a lack of discipline and professionalism. Not just the penalties, but Lawson in the tunnel last week and Hughes this week. How is it not clear to either that such behavior reflects poorly on everyone in the organization? * KB and Clay. I cannot isolate film to watch both of them every play, so maybe there are positives I'm not seeing, but they do not appear to show much effort, nor leadership. Shady is not performing to the level we all hoped for, but at least he's a leader. If KB and Clay have nothing to offer, we can perform just as well without them. If cutting them is too costly, then can be inactive and not just be awarded playing JMHO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, familykwi said: The "little guy" line reminds me of the Benny Hill sidekick that keeps getting slapped on his bald head. heh heh. Anyway... I think for two years this team has overproduced. The Bills clearly do not have the talent of other teams. Sometimes it shows and sometimes they surprise me positively. If he truly evaluates to get better every week, then some of his flaws have to start showing improvement. * His challenges are comical. I was quite bothered he tossed it after progress was obviously out of the end zone. * I don't think his time management is as bad as his tendency to just concede time at the end of a half. The kid wants to push it. Let him fly. He's not going to learn turning and handing it off in those situations. * If we're keeping players specifically to perform better at ST, then that's a failure all around. I don't think we need major coaching changes otherwise, just more talent. * This team shows a lack of discipline and professionalism. Not just the penalties, but Lawson in the tunnel last week and Hughes this week. How is it not clear to either that such behavior reflects poorly on everyone in the organization? * KB and Clay. I cannot isolate film to watch both of them every play, so maybe there are positives I'm not seeing, but they do not appear to show much effort, nor leadership. Shady is not performing to the level we all hoped for, but at least he's a leader. If KB and Clay have nothing to offer, we can perform just as well without them. If cutting them is too costly, then can be inactive and not just be awarded playing JMHO Perfectly stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm not to the point where I want him fired, but I am seriously concerned about his ability to be a good HC in the NFL. Clock management, team discipline, stupid penalties, stupid review requests, questionable roster management. He's made a lot of mistakes. It doesn't seem to be getting better. I'm concerned, but haven't given up on the little guy. This is where I am. He clearly knows how to coach defense. His game and clock management is awful. It's downright scary that he thought Peterman could play, the team could succeed on offense with these linemen and these receivers, it took him 25 games to realize that speed works in the NFL. His offensive coaching hires have been atrocious, although second OC Daboll gets another year to prove his worthiness. The worst thing, however, may be that for such a stickler for Eagles scouts and discipline, Rex's teams were more disciplined than these guys are. It's a worry. He may very well be a coordinator, like hundreds before him, who is very good at his job but HC and all it entails is too big for him. We need to give him next year though. I'm 50-50 on him succeeding. There is a lot to like and an equal amount that is very suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: This is where I am. He clearly knows how to coach defense. His game and clock management is awful. It's downright scary that he thought Peterman could play, the team could succeed on offense with these linemen and these receivers, it took him 25 games to realize that speed works in the NFL. His offensive coaching hires have been atrocious, although second OC Daboll gets another year to prove his worthiness. The worst thing, however, may be that for such a stickler for Eagles scouts and discipline, Rex's teams were more disciplined than these guys are. It's a worry. He may very well be a coordinator, like hundreds before him, who is very good at his job but HC and all it entails is too big for him. We need to give him next year though. I'm 50-50 on him succeeding. There is a lot to like and an equal amount that is very suspect. I'm about 99% with you, here. Only differences are that I don't think Daboll deserves another year and I'm about 35-65 on McDermott succeeding. I have this feeling that the team has no respect for him. His "statement" moves have been cutting Schmidt (only to be brought back) and benching Nathan Peterman. Yet he continues to let Benjamin half-ass it week after week. I fear that this team thinks he's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Anyone else think this thread was going to call them a couple of donkeys? I didnt....until I read this and reread the title lol 1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Sean McD took over a team that finished 7-9 in 2016. 13 teams had 7 or fewer wins that year. Of that group of teams, 7 have surpassed the Bills since then. One of them (Eagles) won last years super bowl. McD's process appears to be slower than some other teams process. Kaizen. So all teams have the same players? I dont understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 10 hours ago, KD in CA said: Still with this nonsense? Nonsense or not, KB is an absolute huge waste of a roster spot. Maybe he'll play better for another team, but he has been worse than terrible and should never take another snap in a Bills uni..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, KD in CA said: Still with this nonsense? People make up their minds and are unable to adjust to reality. Lest I be accused of not adding to the thread, here's my assessment of McDermott: 1) His team plays hard for him, even though they're outmatched talent-wise. To me this is a positive. 2) He and Beane have done what I asked of them. They've purged the roster (mostly) of Whaley's failed pickups. To me this is a positive. 3) His challenges...I think he needs to hire someone to judge when he throws the flag. A negative. 4) The penalties? I'm on the fence as to what the cause of this is, so I can't rate it a positive or negative. You can only coach people so much, and at some point, they just have to perform...a neutral. So that's 2 positives, one negative, one neutral. So a net positive for me. Edited December 3, 2018 by Joe in Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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