dave mcbride Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/21/nations-top-running-back-recruit-is-changing-positions-smart-guy-says-adrian-peterson/?utm_term=.39c5f08b1b37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Very smart kid. Even if you dismiss the monetary angle, the beatings running backs take is above and beyond any other position. This is precisely why I had no problem with LeVeon Bell playing hardball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Unfortunately, the NFL brought this on themselves. IMO RBs have been a huge ratings draw for decades. People want to see special athletes. RBs are the most electrifying part of football. A league without the truly special RBs and where all QBs succeed just does not sound like a long term winning formula. When all teams look the same, where is the intrigue? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: Unfortunately, the NFL brought this on themselves. IMO RBs have been a huge ratings draw for decades. People want to see special athletes. RBs are the most electrifying part of football. A league without the truly special RBs and where all QBs succeed just does not sound like a long term winning formula. When all teams look the same, where is the intrigue? Plenty of pot-addled, xbox playing millenials into no defense games. Don't worry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: Unfortunately, the NFL brought this on themselves. IMO RBs have been a huge ratings draw for decades. People want to see special athletes. RBs are the most electrifying part of football. A league without the truly special RBs and where all QBs succeed just does not sound like a long term winning formula. When all teams look the same, where is the intrigue? .....almost thinking the Seahawks signing Shaun Alexander to that big deal may have been the initial eye opener......and then he fizzled......when Shanahan coached Broncos, think he became synonymous with system "plug 'n play" for RB's............ By DANNY O'NEIL, P-I REPORTER Published 10:00 pm PST, Sunday, March 5, 2006 Alexander has agreed to re-sign with the Seattle Seahawks, agreeing to an eight-year contract worth $62 million. In terms of total money in the contract, it is the largest ever signed by a running back; $15 million is to be paid in the first year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) Running backs have adapted to improve their overall value by becoming a greater part of the passing game. A true do it all back like Barkley or Bell have tremendous value. They are a threat to run it between the tackles or catch it out of the backfield (And if these backs can pass block that improves protection and makes the playbook completely open when they are on the field.) So the idea of running backs being cheap and fairly dispensable is just no longer the case because there are so few running backs that can have a high level of running between the tackles, catching the ball, bringing speed in space, and pass blocking. Which makes having a complete threat like a Barkley, Gurley, or Bell super valuable to an offense. That's why you have seen the return of Return of backs being drafted up high. But the beatings the position takes makes it somewhat of a shorter term investment and likely that even an elite back will be lucky to a big contract let alone try to get 2. Edited November 21, 2018 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Plenty of pot-addled, xbox playing millenials into no defense games. Don't worry. I don't think you know what a millennial is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 lol this was known 5 years ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 This doesn’t mean the RB position is being devalued... in fact the past few years has seen a resurgence of young talent at The RB spot... I’ve see crouch play, he isn’t a high level NFL RB prospect. He was 225 as a sophomore in HS . He was bigger and stronger than everyone. He doesn’t have the speed or vision to be a top end back in the NFL He always played both sides, and was a gifted athlete but I don’t see a good NFL RB hed be a great college back but really wouldn’t translate the real reason he is 100% switching is because he’s been told that he has a better chance as a pro as a LBr not RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I don't think you know what a millennial is. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I don't think you know what a millennial is. he doesn't. ...but hey, I'm pretty pot-addled, so what would I know. Edited November 21, 2018 by 87168 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just now, 87168 said: he doesn't. you either, zip-code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Running backs have adapted to improve their overall value by becoming a greater part of the passing game. A true do it all back like Barkley or Bell have tremendous value. They are a threat to run it between the tackles or catch it out of the backfield (And if these backs can pass block that improves protection and makes the playbook completely open when they are on the field.) So the idea of running backs being cheap and fairly dispensable is just no longer the case because there are so few running backs that can have a high level of running between the tackles, catching the ball, bringing speed in space, and pass blocking. Which makes having a complete threat like a Barkley, Gurley, or Bell super valuable to an offense. That's why you have seen the return of Return of backs being drafted up high. But the beatings the position takes makes it somewhat of a shorter term investment and likely that even an elite back will be lucky to a big contract let alone try to get 2. Mostly agree. The running backs who will be drafted high (and have their fifth-year options picked up) are the ones who bring a lot to the passing game, like Elliott, Barkley, Hunt and Kamara. But even these guys aren't going to be worth as much as dynamic number 1 WRs like Antonio Brown, Julio Jones and Tyreek Hill, for two reasons: 1) They don't have the ability to force the defense to play the entire field, thereby opening things up for everyone else in the offense, and (2) it has been proven over and over again that even the best RBs in the league can be readily replaced without a huge dropoff. LeVeon Bell is only the most recent example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Running back is one of the coolest positions in sports. It’s also kinda insane to play. I remember all the rbs I played with just covered in ice after games. If I was an agent, I would hold out a good rb early in their career to maximize their value. I bet we see more of the Bell type holdouts for young rbs. These teams just run them into the growth and then want to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: you either, zip-code. ? yawn. Time for your pills grandpa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/21/nations-top-running-back-recruit-is-changing-positions-smart-guy-says-adrian-peterson/?utm_term=.39c5f08b1b37 Multi-dimensional RBs are as integral and important as ever in today's NFL with RBs such as Kamara, Gurley, and Hunt critical to their respective team's offensive success. That said I get the point of longevity being an issue, but it depends on what kind of back we're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Multi-dimensional RBs are as integral and important as ever in today's NFL with RBs such as Kamara, Gurley, and Hunt critical to their respective team's offensive success. That said I get the point of longevity being an issue, but it depends on what kind of back we're talking about. What's kind of ironic is that while Reggie Bush was bustISH, in some ways he changed the way the league views the position. He never lived up to the hype, but he was a pioneer of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: What's kind of ironic is that while Reggie Bush was bustISH, in some ways he changed the way the league views the position. He never lived up to the hype, but he was a pioneer of sorts. If he started playing today, he'd probably be a star. The league wasn't ready for him and tried to make him something he wasn't. kinda like Randall Cunningham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: What's kind of ironic is that while Reggie Bush was bustISH, in some ways he changed the way the league views the position. He never lived up to the hype, but he was a pioneer of sorts. Bush was one of the three best college backs I’ve ever seen (along with Herschel Walker and Tony Dorsett). I thought he was going to be a STAR in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said: ? yawn. Time for your pills grandpa. I already took them, that might be why he seems somewhat confused and a bit ornery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Troll Toll said: Unfortunately, the NFL brought this on themselves. IMO RBs have been a huge ratings draw for decades. People want to see special athletes. RBs are the most electrifying part of football. A league without the truly special RBs and where all QBs succeed just does not sound like a long term winning formula. When all teams look the same, where is the intrigue? In in terms of RB styles there aren’t many players who fits all roles. Now you have some that are big power backs then you have the scar backs who can catch the gall and run. there also is a supply and demand issue. A team can draft a RV, he okays then they rep,ace him with a rookie because if the cheaper cost. any player with size and speed will go to WR, TEor LB or Safety. For the higher salaries and longer careers. RBs fits more of the smaller under 5-9 players. Given smaller body they will take a pounding and get injured. abother nite..,data has showed after so many touches the player production at RB drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Very smart kid. Even if you dismiss the monetary angle, the beatings running backs take is above and beyond any other position. This is precisely why I had no problem with LeVeon Bell playing hardball. It's exactly why he should not have played hard ball and instead taken the best long term deal any team is going to offer him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 13 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: What's kind of ironic is that while Reggie Bush was bustISH, in some ways he changed the way the league views the position. He never lived up to the hype, but he was a pioneer of sorts. Bush never lived up to the hype, but he WAS a good player for a while (8 yrs; 2006-13). He was an exceptionally good receiver, and in his three-year run with miami and detroit (2011-13), he had ~1000+ rushing yards each season and averaged 4.6 ypc cumulatively. In NO, he put up big receiving numbers and had 4 return tds in his first two seasons. Still, relative to the hype, he was a disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Great tailbacks are part of what made the sport great. We are very close to defense free flag football already. The devaluing of the RB position will only hasten the demise of the sport. Offense sells the tickets but it's only meaningful against the prospect of being stopped by a good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Bush never lived up to the hype, but he WAS a good player for a while (8 yrs; 2006-13). He was an exceptionally good receiver, and in his three-year run with miami and detroit (2011-13), he had ~1000+ rushing yards each season and averaged 4.6 ypc cumulatively. In NO, he put up big receiving numbers and had 4 return tds in his first two seasons. Still, relative to the hype, he was a disappointment. Right. He had a solid career, but based on expectations, you'd have to consider it a disappointment. I do wonder if he came around 10-15 years too soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 It's just supply and demand. There are a lot of running backs that can hit the hole and be effective. We are seeing that the success of a running back is largely due to the oline, play calling, and scheme. We have seen it this year with NO dropoff whatsoever for Pittsburgh when John Connor stepped in for the best RB in the NFL. There are a lot of talented rushers to go around, and only one spot on each team to plug them in to, with the surge of the passing game, and since RB's last far fewer seasons than all other positions, it makes complete sense that they don't get paid a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 20 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Plenty of pot-addled, xbox playing millenials into no defense games. Don't worry. Don't forget the all-important fantasy points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Saquon Barkley is a recent exception. However the position is a shadow of what it used to mean to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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