Boca BIlls Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Well... he is doing a fine job at tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 He's lying through his teeth. Do you expect him to tell us he gutted our entire offense, cut and traded our good players and expected this not to be a horrific year? He knew. It's all about money though. No fans would go to the games or watch on TV if they knew it was a tank. He just cannot come out and say it openly otherwise Pegs would bitchsmack him so hard his 1990s pilot glasses would fly off his face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Sounds like Tim Murray the season before he was fired. If you aren't tanking, then you flat out suck at your job and it's time for you to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: He's lying through his teeth. Do you expect him to tell us he gutted our entire offense, cut and traded our good players and expected this not to be a horrific year? He knew. It's all about money though. No fans would go to the games or watch on TV if they knew it was a tank. He just cannot come out and say it openly otherwise Pegs would bitchsmack him so hard his 1990s pilot glasses would fly off his face. If he's lying through his teeth, what are the Bills tanking for? A DE? OL? DB? They already have their QB. There was no reason for a tank is why I think this is ineptitude at it's finest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 7 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: Passing yards & lots of points are what consistently wins in the modern NFL. Speed kills. Yet, these two clowns continue to talk about "field position" & "the weather" & "establish the run". This is spot on. Two guys from Carolina (Mike Schopp’s point) telling “blue collar” Buffalo how important running in the snow is. Their WR acquisitions are nearly all older possession guys with no vertical speed. They had had to have to the rocket armed QB, so in 2019 Brandon gets cash in, let’s see if they build an offense that attacks vertical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, pop gun said: If he's lying through his teeth, what are the Bills tanking for? A DE? OL? DB? They already have their QB. There was no reason for a tank is why I think this is ineptitude at it's finest! Ok if he isnt tanking then he is incompetent. Which is worse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Beane at least has a plan and a methodology for raising us from the dead. That's something we haven't had since the glory days. We have a very good candidate for franchise QB on the roster. We have a solid D. We're in year 2 of a 4 year plan. The product on the field and the secondary market value for our tickets hurts me deeply as a 15 years season ticket holder but I still think Beane and McDermott were good hires. Watching more bad football as the plan unfolds is very tough after what this fan base has been through. I won't judge the regime until year 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 22 hours ago, ScottLaw said: It's absolutely not a tank. Who are they tanking for? They got their QB last year. They better hope they got their QB last year. And if this isn’t a tank they suck. They made the playoffs and got their guy. This would make the whole tank/rebuild the charade it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Victory Formation Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 hours ago, pop gun said: If he's lying through his teeth, what are the Bills tanking for? A DE? OL? DB? They already have their QB. There was no reason for a tank is why I think this is ineptitude at it's finest! Well, it's not just about that first pick, it's about having high picks in every single round. Defense is done, now it's time to fill in the vacuum on offense. At least I hope that's the plan and if it is I'm ok with it. Maybe my definition of tank is different than yours (and Beane's). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Well, it's not just about that first pick, it's about having high picks in every single round. Defense is done, now it's time to fill in the vacuum on offense. At least I hope that's the plan and if it is I'm ok with it. Maybe my definition of tank is different than yours (and Beane's). Would any of that guarantee that the best player will be selected in each round? Nope! There is no tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 9 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: Exactly. People are upset because this coach & GM set off on a backwards plan to build around a defense & outdated running game first, rather than use all of their assets and capital to assemble a cutting-edge, high-octane offense that can make a team an actual contender. That should have been the priority from day 1. Passing yards & lots of points are what consistently wins in the modern NFL. Speed kills. Yet, these two clowns continue to talk about "field position" & "the weather" & "establish the run". Well, even if you're talking about building a running game first, um...they were handed the NFL's best running game when they took over. -A running game that averaged over 5 yards per carry, despite being at the top of the NFL in attempts; -A running game that scored 29 TDs; -A running game in which the left side of the OL was leading the league in yards before contact; -A running game that produced a whopping 27 TDs. So if that was their goal...um...I'm not sure what needed to be "rebuilt" or why they think they were going to improve it. I mean damn, they could have found an old playbook laying around from the last guy. A classic case of fixing what isn't broken. To be honest, I think that deep down, there was an attitude of "all we have to do is give the ball to Shady" thing going on in their heads. Too bad it isn't that easy. Going forward, his interview gave me the same feeling as I just stated with the running game, a gross oversimplification of the problem. When asked about the depth of the offense's production, his response was basically "What do you expect, we're starting a young QB! Look at other teams with young QB's!" Well I hate to tell you this lil guy, but the offense has problems that go far beyond QB. And if you think its just a matter of giving him more experience, you're sadly mistaken. You've created an offense where an Andy Reid or Bill Walsh would have difficulty in putting back together. And considering after 2 years, you haven't improved a single position on the offense (Allen is an unknown at present), and have made most worse...much worse in some cases, I don't have high hopes for the future. Well, at least they aren't heart surgeons attempting their first heart transplant. No one is going to die at least. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 22 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: I believe it. You always try to win; your job depends on it. They just might not be very good at it. ...OF COURSE......but is it remotely feasible or consciously possible that a GM with a scout staff of 17+(probably $4mil+ payroll on Pegula's nickel), significantly comprised of many exec level NFL personnel, could whiff this badly and essentially field 26 empty suits you're paying $75 mil?.......sure Wood retired and Richie's main spring popped.....so why use Glenn as trade bait to move up if the OL is rock solid?....he has started all 8 Bengals games and Dalton has been sacked 16 times.....62 years combined WR coaching experience and we have guys that can't run routes?......Culley, Castillo and Crosman still "coaching (COUGH)"?............Jesus, feel like I'm watching O'Rouke and "F Troop".....this is really "competitively trying to win"?.....it's Rosey O'Donnell ugly IMO............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I sure as hell would hate to see what tanking looks like under Mcbeane then 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I think the whole thing is ego driven and a bit of a stubborn mentality on top of it. Specifically McDermott. They wanted to rebuild it there way no matter what. They treated the team they inherited like everything was wrong. They tore down EVERYTHING the previous regime did well for no reason. It's not surprising though when an inexperienced owner hires an inexperienced DC to run every aspect of its football team. Blind leading the blind. I agree with the ego driven attitude, and going forward with the offense expect a Rex Ryan "fully pregnant" plan. *hearing strains of Sinatra singing My Way. I'd have no problem with them bringing in an offensive mind to engineer this silly rebuild of the offense. In fact, I'd applaud them. I just don't see it happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 They are trying to win with a huge handicap of dead space and too many holes especially on the offense. We can't just go out and spend a ton of money on free agents to sure up the line. We don't have the cap space. This isn't all on coach and GM now if this persists into next year we need to question their competency. As of right now I understand the growing pains and foresaw this coming. It's no surprise when they had to patch a line and WR core together with insufficient funds that they suck. Adding Pryor may or may not pay off he has flashed at times and disappeared in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Jerome007 said: Keeping Tyrod would have been way more costly in cap space! They would have had nothing for free agents. It's like you want to find any reason to bash Beane And if Allen and Edmunds become great, it will have been super wise moves. If they bust or are gone within a few years, quite the costly gambles. But I like that they go for broke and aim high, staking their jobs on it, rather then playing safe with 8-8 seasons. People bitched and moaned about that, and now it's all about having used to much picks for potential stars! At least they have guts. Keeping Taylor would have given the Bills a real NFL caliber QB! It would have given Allen a real opportunity to sit and learn and to get some first hand advice from a veteran QB who has had some recent success in the NFL. Furthermore, the Bills would not have had to pay for the failed experiment of AJ McCarronl, and Peterman could have been sent to the PS where he might have actually developed a tiny bit of competence so that he's not a turn over waiting to happen every time he comes into a game. What if Allen and Edmunds don't become great? The chances of both becoming "great" are between slim and none. Half of first round QBs other than the guys taken #1, either bust outright (Ryan Leaf, JP Losman, EJ Manuel etc) or are disappointments (Ryan Tannehill, Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston). Numerous non-QB first round picks don't ever live up to their first round draft position for various reasons, including sustaining serious injuries. Both Allen and Edmunds are projects which makes them even riskier than most first round draft picks, Allen more so than Edmunds because he's a much bigger project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 16 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: Exactly. People are upset because this coach & GM set off on a backwards plan to build around a defense & outdated running game first, rather than use all of their assets and capital to assemble a cutting-edge, high-octane offense that can make a team an actual contender. That should have been the priority from day 1. Passing yards & lots of points are what consistently wins in the modern NFL. Speed kills. Yet, these two clowns continue to talk about "field position" & "the weather" & "establish the run". Its utterly hilarious that you and some others are utterly oblivious to the fact that BOTH Beane and McD on MANY occasions have said how important a strong passing game is. Even more baffling that you guys are so blind, deaf, or something that you can’t see they had ONE DRAFT together and addressed the most important position first and have not yet begun the offensive rebuild outside of the QB yet. Your post is so out of whack with reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 This ineptitude is inexcusable. Fire this clown and take McCrusty with him. What an embarrassment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 10:17 AM, ScottLaw said: It's absolutely not a tank. Who are they tanking for? They got their QB last year. Ohh no? Hey let's put in Barkley who's been here 4 minutes with a dumbed down game plan for Sunday against a decent jets D. Yep looks like all out effort to me for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 1:07 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: If this is you NOT tanking, we are in a whole lot of trouble as fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: Ohh no? Hey let's put in Barkley who's been here 4 minutes with a dumbed down game plan for Sunday against a decent jets D. Yep looks like all out effort to me for sure. THEY HAVE NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Well Beane , you didn't plan on it but with the moves you made on offense this should have been expected . Your mistake was not redoing the offense all at once. I stated many times over the summer who we should have gotten so won't do that again here but we should have gotten 3 high quality Olineman to replace the ones we lost along with two WRs and a TE. This upcoming draft has tons of elite defensive talent as well as being solid throughout and we could have focused on defense , now we MUST focus on the offense. Not saying don't get any defensive players just that the majority of the picks and the high ones at that should be offense. I can live if the first pick is defense if the player is elite but after that it has to be offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Beane: There is no tank. McDemott: We're starting Matt Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 If this was a tank, you give Beane a raise. If this is him trying to win, you show him the door. Hopefully this is all just PR nonsense, and there's a wink and a smile behind closed doors. If not, this scares the hell out of me, and there's no way I trust them with signing bloated 5 year deals for next year's version of Trent Murphy. Speaking of, if they don't exercise the year one out they have on that deal this offseason, that tells us all we need to know going into 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 9 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: THEY HAVE NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE! Maybe here for this game but it's been a shytshow all year. Can we agree on that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Its utterly hilarious that you and some others are utterly oblivious to the fact that BOTH Beane and McD on MANY occasions have said how important a strong passing game is. Even more baffling that you guys are so blind, deaf, or something that you can’t see they had ONE DRAFT together and addressed the most important position first and have not yet begun the offensive rebuild outside of the QB yet. Your post is so out of whack with reality McDermott/Beane can yap all they want about much they supposedly value a strong passing game but their actions say that they don't value it AT ALL. 11 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Well Beane , you didn't plan on it but with the moves you made on offense this should have been expected . Your mistake was not redoing the offense all at once. I stated many times over the summer who we should have gotten so won't do that again here but we should have gotten 3 high quality Olineman to replace the ones we lost along with two WRs and a TE. This upcoming draft has tons of elite defensive talent as well as being solid throughout and we could have focused on defense , now we MUST focus on the offense. Not saying don't get any defensive players just that the majority of the picks and the high ones at that should be offense. I can live if the first pick is defense if the player is elite but after that it has to be offense. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. My guess is that they won't draft offense before Day Three. Edited November 11, 2018 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) Derek Anderson, Matt Barkley. Check and mate Mr. Beane. Beane was just interviewed by the local sports TV guys and said that the cap situation was "a mess" and they "made a calculated decision to eat all the contracts this season" in order to clear the way for next season. That's about as close to a "yes we are tanking" as you will get from a GM. Edited November 11, 2018 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 6 hours ago, SoTier said: McDermott/Beane can yap all they want about much they supposedly value a strong passing game but their actions say that they don't value it AT ALL. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. My guess is that they won't draft offense before Day Three. Stop, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 1-on-1 with Bills GM Brandon Beane BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) - On a four game losing streak and enduring one of the toughest stretches offensively, News 4 Sports Director Josh Reed sat down with Bills General Manager Brandon Beane to breakdown the the first nine weeks of the season. At 2-7, Beane knows their is frustration and disappointment with the performance of the team, but believes the Bills can turn things around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 2:45 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: This paints a highly unappealing picture. Either this is Beane and McDermott trying their best to win, and failing miserably due to questionable personnel choices and players making dumb mistakes that often equate to bad coaching OR It's Beane lying through his teeth OR Beane's not in charge and we have a rookie coach and/or an owner making the final personnel calls I think they took the guards off this season and just played everyone they thought could amount to something and let the players prove them right or wrong. We have some young WRs that might turn out to be ok and we've been churning the roster at that position like crazy. They have been rotating guys through OL, due to injuries and one moron who retired in the middle of a game they have been rotating players through at CB and MLB. Next year will be better, but I don't expect more than 5 wins this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Wow so its not a tank? Damn that might be the stench of trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Wow so its not a tank? Damn that might be the stench of trash No, but it's definitely a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 1:20 PM, plenzmd1 said: whats the difference between tanking and "growth mode"???just semantics.. they knew they were going to lose this year...but that does not mean they wanted to I guess. The Sabres WANTED to lose. Yep. Beane said it himself -- they could have done some "tricked up" things to try and win immediately but made the decision to bite the dead cap bullet now so they can start fresh. They aren't "intentionally losing" -- i.e., tanking -- but they are making decisions pertaining to the future rather than 2018. And I'm ok with it. The team plays hard for McD and the culture has been established. With an influx of talent the building blocks are in place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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