Occasi-Cortez Channeling the Rent's too damn high guy

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

She is valuable that way, but everything has a shelf life. If they can deal a big blow to the "youth movement" and have her bitching about Nancy and DNC on the way out, they'll take it. 

 

She's extremely valuable. 

 

She's literally tearing apart the Democrat Party from within. She won't stay in line, and contradicts Democrat Leadership every chance she gets.

 

Oh, and she's been on the job 6 months. 

 

Imagine the influence she'll have in 6 years. At that point she'll be even more powerful, which means the Dems will have been pulled farther left. 

 

The farther left the Dems go, the more electable Republicans are. 

 

Without AOC CNN and MSNBC would still be showing kids in cages at the Southern Border this week.

Edited July 18, 2019 by jrober38

[McGee Return TD]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

lie after lie after lie

2 minutes ago, Buftex said:

I will bet, within 3 days, he will give a nod and a wink to the idiots, and they will be chanting it his next rally!  He will get that stupid ***** eating, sweaty lipped look on his face and say something like "you people are awful, we gotta be nice....gotta be nice.  People tell me not to inflame...but I didn't start it...".  It will be met with waves of applause, and then the full on Trump riffs will start.... we have seen this over and over and over again...

 

Bingo

[RochesterRob]

13 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Almost 50% of the district is Latino.

 

10% is African American.

 

The math doesn't add up. She's wildly unpopular on a national scale but she'll win again in a landslide. 

  The only people that count in AOC's election are the people in her district and I doubt that annoying Trump and Pelosi is enough reason to give her a second go around.  If Murray looks like the one to bring home the bacon for that district then the voter are not going to look away from that.  Most of the recent Democratic history there traces back to "fear whitey" or "loath whitey" but whitey is no wheres to be found this time 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  The only people that count in AOC's election are the people in her district and I doubt that annoying Trump and Pelosi is enough reason to give her a second go around.  If Murray looks like the one to bring home the bacon for that district then the voter are not going to look away from that.  Most of the recent Democratic history there traces back to "fear whitey" or "loath whitey" but whitey is no wheres to be found this time 

 

I think you put way too much emphasis on who the Congressional candidates are and not enough on who is at the top of the ticket.

 

That district is never going to vote for Trump, and it's unbelievably unlikely that people will vote for a Dem for President in overwhelming fashion and then pick a Republican for congress. 

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think you put way too much emphasis on who the Congressional candidates are and not enough on who is at the top of the ticket.

 

That district is never going to vote for Trump, and it's unbelievably unlikely that people will vote for a Dem for President in overwhelming fashion and then pick a Republican for congress. 

  Congress people can be in office for many decades while a POTUS has a maximum if re-elected of 8 years.  Murray could be around for many POTUS administrations and she won't fumble the ball on Amazon which that district no doubt is aware off.  Your logic still amounts to don't vote for the GOP because of whitey and we want freebies from the gubermint.  That dog did hunt for a while but his legs have gotten pretty tired and he is looking to wander off into the woods to die.

[jrober38]

6 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Congress people can be in office for many decades while a POTUS has a maximum if re-elected of 8 years.  Murray could be around for many POTUS administrations and she won't fumble the ball on Amazon which that district no doubt is aware off.  Your logic still amounts to don't vote for the GOP because of whitey and we want freebies from the gubermint.  That dog did hunt for a while but his legs have gotten pretty tired and he is looking to wander off into the woods to die.

 

80% of NYC voted for Hilary.  Trump is wildly unpopular there. 

 

With a similar turnout next year (NYC votes Dem by roughly a 4-1 difference over the past 4 Presidential Elections), you can't honestly expect more than 30% of the voters in that district to flip sides and vote a Dem for Pres and a Republican for Congress.

 

I get that you want it to happen, but it's never going to happen. The math isn't even close to adding up.

Edited July 18, 2019 by jrober38

[B-Man]

 

 

What is interesting is watching some on the Right condemn anyone who isn’t condemning Trump, once again falling into the ‘we have to be better’ rules that don’t seem at all fair when we’re in a fight to protect and defend not only this country but our way of life.

@Mellecon wrote a pretty damn powerful thread on ‘the rules’:

 

 

GOP Pouncer@Mellecon

 

Small Rant before I log off: "We're supposed to be better than that." That's a delusion I've held onto for year.

I held on to it when Bush was called Hitler

 

1:05 PM - Jul 17, 2019

 

 

*I held on to it when they made fun of McCain's inability to use his arms and while I watched him be civil to people who called him a racist.

 

*I held on to it while they destroy health insurance, and called everyone a racist if you said anything critical of President Obama.

 

*I held on to it when they fired a rodeo clown, and when they accused Romney of killing a woman with cancer.

 

*I held on to it when Hillary Clinton called people deplorable, and when the left made the Trump voters a collective.

 

*I held on to it when I refused to vote for Trump both in the primary and in the general. I held on to it when they accused a good man of sexual assault

 

*I held on to it when a VA governor who wore black face was not held accountable, neither was the Lt. Governor investigated for sexual abuse allegations or the Va AG also wore black face.

 

*Now there is a contingent of anti-semites in Congress and people who put target on good men and women in ICE and CBP.

 

*I find I'm not better than them. I'm sick of being called a racist. I'm sick of being called a stepford wife with internal misogyny. I'm sick of being called an Islamophobe.

 

 

*

The only way I can be better than them is to lose, because they don't fight fair. So, I no longer want to be better than them. My children's future depends on it.

 

 

 

 

.

[3rdnlng]

Until 6 months ago that district had a white male representative who was high up in the democrat party. AOC beat him in the primary because she outworked him and knocked on a lot of doors. Murray can beat her with pounding AOC on the loss of all the high paying Amazon jobs and going door to door herself, stressing that she will represent them and not try to become a national figure like AOC. The message I'd find a way to get across to those voters is that AOC is a B word that has betrayed us and wants only to further her own career and agenda, while throwing us and tens of thousands of great paying jobs down the drain! Congresswoman Murray, raise your right hand and repeat after me.

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

80% of NYC voted for Hilary.  Trump is wildly unpopular there. 

 

With a similar turnout next year (NYC votes Dem by roughly a 4-1 difference over the past 4 Presidential Elections), you can't honestly expect more than 30% of the voters in that district to flip sides and vote a Dem for Pres and a Republican for Congress.

 

I get that you want it to happen, but it's never going to happen. The math isn't even close to adding up.

  People break with their party when it comes to Congress all the time.  If Bernie had gone the Anderson or Perot route he would sliced pretty heavily into Hillary's 80 percent.  Once you again you overlook AOC dropping the ball on Amazon and act as though her constituents won't care "because they did not want to work anyways."  At some point people will want to rise in the world and they will realize that AOC does not have the edge there.  The old days are over and you do not want to face that.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 David Axelrod: Trump “Forcing” Democrats To Embrace AOC’s Squad, Accept They Run The Party.

 

 

“All the Democrats have to do is not be crazy, and Trump’s making it impossible for them to do that.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  People break with their party when it comes to Congress all the time.  If Bernie had gone the Anderson or Perot route he would sliced pretty heavily into Hillary's 80 percent.  Once you again you overlook AOC dropping the ball on Amazon and act as though her constituents won't care "because they did not want to work anyways."  At some point people will want to rise in the world and they will realize that AOC does not have the edge there.  The old days are over and you do not want to face that.

 

Expecting over 30% of voters to break from their party isn't a realistic expectation.

 

I'd be surprised if something like that ever happens.

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

AOC got almost 80% of the vote in the election.

 

She's not going anywhere. 

She got 16,000 votes in a district of 700k.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

She got 16,000 votes in a district of 700k.

 

Actually she got 110,000.

 

The Republican got 19,000. 

[plenzmd1]

25 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

What is interesting is watching some on the Right condemn anyone who isn’t condemning Trump, once again falling into the ‘we have to be better’ rules that don’t seem at all fair when we’re in a fight to protect and defend not only this country but our way of life.

@Mellecon wrote a pretty damn powerful thread on ‘the rules’:

 

 

GOP Pouncer@Mellecon

 

Small Rant before I log off: "We're supposed to be better than that." That's a delusion I've held onto for year.

I held on to it when Bush was called Hitler

 

1:05 PM - Jul 17, 2019

 

 

*I held on to it when they made fun of McCain's inability to use his arms and while I watched him be civil to people who called him a racist.

 

*I held on to it while they destroy health insurance, and called everyone a racist if you said anything critical of President Obama.

 

*I held on to it when they fired a rodeo clown, and when they accused Romney of killing a woman with cancer.

 

*I held on to it when Hillary Clinton called people deplorable, and when the left made the Trump voters a collective.

 

*I held on to it when I refused to vote for Trump both in the primary and in the general. I held on to it when they accused a good man of sexual assault

 

*I held on to it when a VA governor who wore black face was not held accountable, neither was the Lt. Governor investigated for sexual abuse allegations or the Va AG also wore black face.

 

*Now there is a contingent of anti-semites in Congress and people who put target on good men and women in ICE and CBP.

 

*I find I'm not better than them. I'm sick of being called a racist. I'm sick of being called a stepford wife with internal misogyny. I'm sick of being called an Islamophobe.

 

 

*

The only way I can be better than them is to lose, because they don't fight fair. So, I no longer want to be better than them. My children's future depends on it.

 

 

 

 

.

man, the pile is high is this tweet

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Actually she got 110,000.

 

The Republican got 19,000. 

I looked at the primary results. Forgot Crowley swapped to independent after.

[RochesterRob]

11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Expecting over 30% of voters to break from their party isn't a realistic expectation.

 

I'd be surprised if something like that ever happens.

  For starters you have to offer something to get people to switch and until now the GOP in that district had not done that.  I'll admit the possibility is there that AOC will be struck by lightning and all of a sudden sound like a Rhodes Scholar.  But the probability is AOC will most likely grow in terms of navigating DC but still be very unaware of things like economics as it applies to her district.  Murray does not have a hard task when you think about it.  All she has to say is if she was on guard when Amazon came calling that she would have let them in the door.

[McGee Return TD]

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

If you think so. I disagree but I know you've been pounding that angle for the past two weeks, so keep it up. 

 

Also, not sure if Kamala is your choice, but she has some skeletons In her closet that aren't great- as far as sweet deals go, don't forget her connection to Kimm Foxx and the Smullet scandal. There's plenty of mud on both sides. 

As long as she wasn't hanging out with a guy who enslaved young girls for sex, she still has the moral high ground, like Mount McKinley high ground 

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

(I know this is the AOC thread, but it's where most of this conversation has been held)

 

And there ya go! 

[B-Man]

THE LEFT IS BIG ON INFLATING CURRENCY, WHETHER MORAL OR FINANCIAL, UNTIL IT’S WORTHLESS: 

 

“RACISM”: IT’S NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE. 

 

“The idea that politicians may or may not be subject to criticism or disagreement depending on their skin color is so un-American, and so profoundly stupid, that it is hard to imagine that anyone could assert it. Yet we live in such degraded times that one-third of Democrats are willing to tell pollsters that is what they believe.”

 

 

Related: The Sordid History of Liberals Calling Republicans Racists.

 

 

 

 

.

[RochesterRob]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

As long as she wasn't hanging out with a guy who enslaved young girls for sex, she still has the moral high ground, like Mount McKinley high ground 

And there ya go! 

  So where does the moral high ground begin?  Kamala's ancestors were slave owners and no doubt one under age female had to service an older (presumably) male.  Shouldn't Kamala be doing her part in atoning for past sins of the family to come clean and admit this most likely happened.  Should she not try to track down the descendants of those slaves to offer reparations?

[SoCal Deek]

The Squad Member that I don't understand is the black gal. Why link yourself to these other bomb throwers? Were all the other junior high school clubs already full?  I'm pretty sure she's a black lady from a black District.  If she lays low she can be there for another 50 years, quietly collecting a six figure salary.  Just ask Maxine!

[Tiberius]

23 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  So where does the moral high ground begin?  Kamala's ancestors were slave owners and no doubt one under age female had to service an older (presumably) male.  Shouldn't Kamala be doing her part in atoning for past sins of the family to come clean and admit this most likely happened.  Should she not try to track down the descendants of those slaves to offer reparations?

Lol, that's funny! 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

We're going to disagree on this point, but the left has always jumped on Republicans. Always. They wrecked Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, etc. with horrible, childish, embarrassing tactics. Lies so disgusting, most people simply couldn't stomach the fight any longer.

 

What you're seeing here is a person who has decided to push back, and a country that has been waiting for someone to do so.

 

Trump is too much of an ego to admit it, but I believe he saw the window to have a winning fight after watching Newt Gingrich jump on the moderator for starting the debate asking about his infidelity. Here.

 

From that article:

 

 

That effort never got traction with Gingrich because he's not a likable candidate.

 

Trump threw gas on it.

 

 

Barack Obama told his faithful to 'punch back twice as hard." Nancy Pelosi walked through the Tea Party crowd arm-in-arm with black congressman so they could falsely claim someone spit on them, or lying that the people who were against Obamacare carry swastikas to town hall meetings, like she's too stupid to know who LaRouche was.

 

Let's not pretend like what we're watching is suddenly unprecedented. The difference here is that the right got tired of the left's schitt and started pushing back, and the left, predictably, started squealing like Ned Beatty on a boating trip.

Obama was more like Trump in that he saw previous candidates (Gore, Kerry) not punch back as hard as they should after unfair attacks against them.  Trump and Obama are similar in that respect.  Americans want a fighter who would shake up the paralysis in Washington.  Obama wasn't able to do that.  Trump hasn't been able to do that yet either.  It seems all both president's can do is just please their base through executive orders and promoting culture wars.

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

As long as she wasn't hanging out with a guy who enslaved young girls for sex, she still has the moral high ground, like Mount McKinley high ground 

And there ya go! 

 

Well, that’s an accusation about Trump and the accusation against Kamala is that she boned her way to the top. 

[reddogblitz]

15 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

He wasn't better than any president, including Carter.

 

Hoover?

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

The Squad Member that I don't understand is the black gal. Why link yourself to these other bomb throwers? Were all the other junior high school clubs already full?  I'm pretty sure she's a black lady from a black District.  If she lays low she can be there for another 50 years, quietly collecting a six figure salary.  Just ask Maxine!

okay, I got it now. When you say all in a group feel/act/vote one way, that's just telling the truth. When the DEms/left do it, its playing identity politics and racist. Got it now, thank you for explaining it to me! And good to know every African American woman in politics is the exact same..enlightened thinking  there!! 

[IDBillzFan]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

What is interesting is watching some on the Right condemn anyone who isn’t condemning Trump, once again falling into the ‘we have to be better’ rules that don’t seem at all fair when we’re in a fight to protect and defend not only this country but our way of life.

 

Here's another thread...similar in tone...a bit long, but she's right. She's absolutely right. And this is no blue-check Twitter warrior. Just some chick with a couple thousand followers who has had enough of being nice.

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

6 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Almost 50% of the district is Latino.

 

10% is African American.

 

The math doesn't add up. She's wildly unpopular on a national scale but she'll win again in a landslide. 

 

She’s not going to make it out of her own party’s primary.  Write it down now

[IDBillzFan]

16 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

She’s not going to make it out of her own party’s primary.  Write it down now

 

Hell, she can barely make it out of her own kitchen with a potato peeler.

 

This isn't her fight. It's Justice Dems' fight...and they're going to get their asses handed to them by people doing this longer and better than they could ever imagine.

[TakeYouToTasker]

34 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Hell, she can barely make it out of her own kitchen with a potato peeler.

 

This isn't her fight. It's Justice Dems' fight...and they're going to get their asses handed to them by people doing this longer and better than they could ever imagine.

 

The traditional Democratic politically involved hate the Justice Democrats.  Hate them.  They know they’re going to cost the left a generation of voters.

Edited July 19, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker

[B-Man]

 

 

 

JULIE KELLY: “They degrade citizenship. They trash Americans. They shoot at GOP congressmen and target pro-life high schoolers and chase people out of public spaces. They make the dangerous Nazi comparisons. They jeopardize our security and tranquility. . . . And what, now we’re supposed to watch our manners?”

 

 

 

 

 

.

[Buftex]

12 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

There is no Hillary without Bill. And let me qualify that by also stating there IS a Michelle Obama without Barack.

I have thought about this...I get what you are saying about Hillary...but not sure what your point is about the Obamas.  If I didn't know you better, I would think you were trying to be charitable toward Mrs. Obama... but what is the punch-line here? What does she have to do with anything?

[Buftex]

7 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

okay, I got it now. When you say all in a group feel/act/vote one way, that's just telling the truth. When the DEms/left do it, its playing identity politics and racist. Got it now, thank you for explaining it to me! And good to know every African American woman in politics is the exact same..enlightened thinking  there!! 

They say when you have body odor you can't always smell yourself...there is a lot of that going on here at the PPP.  No doubt they have no idea of how hypocritical they seem...as liberals do to them. 

12 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So Lumpy doesn't agree with the crowd who chanted what he tweeted a few days earlier?  Extra-orange stable genius at work. 

[plenzmd1]

10 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Here's another thread...similar in tone...a bit long, but she's right. She's absolutely right. And this is no blue-check Twitter warrior. Just some chick with a couple thousand followers who has had enough of being nice.

 

 

how did i miss these massive injustices to the right that now necessitate a massive pity party. especially as i have always been right of center? i don't ever recall any one calling me , or my thoughts racist. I don't recall GWB being called racist or a Nazi but for maybe a few lunatics.I don't recall McCain or his supporters being called racist or Nazi in the whole

 

 

That being said, when someone on  the right, especially their talking head voices,  behaved with what many believe are racially motivated diatribes or actions, they got called out on it, as they should be. As someone who leans right, they were never me , those folks never represented my views, they were them. People called them racist, not me.

 

 

Should the left be able to act with impunity and say..what the hell, the right gunna label me a socialist and communist and someone who hates my country

i will act that way!

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

59 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

how did i miss these massive injustices to the right that now necessitate a massive pity party. especially as i have always been right of center? i don't ever recall any one calling me , or my thoughts racist. I don't recall GWB being called racist or a Nazi but for maybe a few lunatics.I don't recall McCain or his supporters being called racist or Nazi in the whole

 

 

That being said, when someone on  the right, especially their talking head voices,  behaved with what many believe are racially motivated diatribes or actions, they got called out on it, as they should be. As someone who leans right, they were never me , those folks never represented my views, they were them. People called them racist, not me.

 

 

Should the left be able to act with impunity and say..what the hell, the right gunna label me a socialist and communist and someone who hates my country

i will act that way!

 

 

A pity party? I say this as someone who is not a conservative... this has been a fight where one side has a hand tied behind their back, and the other has been using brass knuckles. Now, when the right is finally getting in a few blows, the left doesn't like it.  You can only scream "shut-up and sit down" at people for so long before they rise up. This has been brewing for quite a while. You just happen to have a front row seat to the party of "that's not who we are" deciding that they have had enough. 

You think you are right of center?   I have never seen you express one opinion down here that is anywhere close to the "right". What are your conservative/righty opinions? 

[Chef Jim]

7 hours ago, Buftex said:

I have thought about this...I get what you are saying about Hillary...but not sure what your point is about the Obamas.  If I didn't know you better, I would think you were trying to be charitable toward Mrs. Obama... but what is the punch-line here? What does she have to do with anything?

 

I assume he means that Michelle, at some point, will run for office and that would be 100% on her husband’s coat tails not on her own merits. 

[plenzmd1]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

A pity party? I say this as someone who is not a conservative... this has been a fight where one side has a hand tied behind their back, and the other has been using brass knuckles. Now, when the right is finally getting in a few blows, the left doesn't like it.  You can only scream "shut-up and sit down" at people for so long before they rise up. This has been brewing for quite a while. You just happen to have a front row seat to the party of "that's not who we are" deciding that they have had enough. 

You think you are right of center?   I have never seen you express one opinion down here that is anywhere close to the "right". What are your conservative/righty opinions? 

OKay, which position would you like me to point  to

 

1) Agreed with both SCOTUS picks

2) Agree with majority  of  what Trump has done with the economy outside the tax cuts

3) Have said  numerous times in several places liberal policies have had a deleterious effect on the whole for minority populations in this country

4) And i guess its up for debate which side this lands on..I am a staunch believer in our civil liberties and want to make sure all forms of government are reined in and their ability to get into out =r lives restricted

5) I have always agreed with the "investigate the invertigor" sentiment..i have NEVER disagreed and have actively encouraged that investigation. ask @Deranged Rhino

6) Show mw one place, even one, where i have said Barr, Pompeo and for that matter even Bolton were not the right men for the job.

7) I have said repeatedly and over and over again immigration is a massive issue, and we need reform.Do i think a wall fixes that problem , or even puts a dent into it? Hell no. Does not mean i am for open borders etc..it means we need genuine reform. Go back to Govt closed down thread, i was strongly pox on both their houses

?Health care and health insurance i have readily admitted is beyond my scope..i am not an expert, and just cause Republicanss say bad, i do not condemn thecurrentt policy. Much as just cause the  Dems say good, i am not all in on what we have. Don'tt understand a lot of it

? I am pro life , struggle with the ***** and sex crime aspect of it..flip side i am anit capital punishment..as i said i am pro life

 

9) 100 % believe and have said on here   the right to bear arms is a fundamental  right in this country..dont see the need for assault rifles, want very strong background checks.

10) I do believe the climate is changing, i believe the science behind it, don't think it is 100% man made..buty i think it ridiculous to think it is all a liberal conspiracy. I will go so far as to tell you i do NOT recycle the majority of my trash..as i have done extensive research and it al points to 90% of recycling is a net negative

11) for college, i believe in some "set asides" based on income, not race.

 

I guess you name me a an issue, I will tell you my stance..

 

Now you go ahead and find any instance where i have taken a "liberal" stance..and that does mean an anti Trump stance, that means a liberal policy  stance. I have a feeling you will struggle

 

What i dont care about is what you do with any consenting adult in your bedroom, i don't t believe any one religion is better than the next, I think as a matter of fact religious folks tend to be  the most hypacritical folks in the land. I believe our leaders should be held to a higher standard, that i should be able to trust what they say with out "figuring it out", that sometimes a racist tweet/ act is just that...

[LB3]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I assume he means that Michelle, at some point, will run for office and that would be 100% on her husband’s coat tails not on her own merits. 

I read it differently. I thought he was saying Michelle could stand on her own, unlike Hillary. 

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

OKay, which position would you like me to point  to

 

1) Agreed with both SCOTUS picks

2) Agree with majority  of  what Trump has done with the economy outside the tax cuts

3) Have said  numerous times in several places liberal policies have had a deleterious effect on the whole for minority populations in this country

4) And i guess its up for debate which side this lands on..I am a staunch believer in our civil liberties and want to make sure all forms of government are reined in and their ability to get into out =r lives restricted

5) I have always agreed with the "investigate the invertigor" sentiment..i have NEVER disagreed and have actively encouraged that investigation. ask @Deranged Rhino

6) Show mw one place, even one, where i have said Barr, Pompeo and for that matter even Bolton were not the right men for the job.

7) I have said repeatedly and over and over again immigration is a massive issue, and we need reform.Do i think a wall fixes that problem , or even puts a dent into it? Hell no. Does not mean i am for open borders etc..it means we need genuine reform. Go back to Govt closed down thread, i was strongly pox on both their houses

?Health care and health insurance i have readily admitted is beyond my scope..i am not an expert, and just cause Republicanss say bad, i do not condemn thecurrentt policy. Much as just cause the  Dems say good, i am not all in on what we have. Don'tt understand a lot of it

? I am pro life , struggle with the ***** and sex crime aspect of it..flip side i am anit capital punishment..as i said i am pro life

 

9) 100 % believe and have said on here   the right to bear arms is a fundamental  right in this country..dont see the need for assault rifles, want very strong background checks.

10) I do believe the climate is changing, i believe the science behind it, don't think it is 100% man made..buty i think it ridiculous to think it is all a liberal conspiracy. I will go so far as to tell you i do NOT recycle the majority of my trash..as i have done extensive research and it al points to 90% of recycling is a net negative

11) for college, i believe in some "set asides" based on income, not race.

 

I guess you name me a an issue, I will tell you my stance..

 

Now you go ahead and find any instance where i have taken a "liberal" stance..and that does mean an anti Trump stance, that means a liberal policy  stance. I have a feeling you will struggle

 

What i dont care about is what you do with any consenting adult in your bedroom, i don't t believe any one religion is better than the next, I think as a matter of fact religious folks tend to be  the most hypacritical folks in the land. I believe our leaders should be held to a higher standard, that i should be able to trust what they say with out "figuring it out", that sometimes a racist tweet/ act is just that...

I deduct a half point because you didn't stick the landing on numbering your points. 8 was shunned!

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

I read it differently. I thought he was saying Michelle could stand on her own, unlike Hillary. 

 I’m sorry I missed the IS in his post. I guess I was reading my thoughts into it that there is no Michelle without Barak. 

[LB3]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 I’m sorry I missed the IS in his post. I guess I was reading my thoughts into it that there is no Michelle without Barak. 

I had to read it three times to make sure he was complimenting her.