plenzmd1 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: No, it really is not. That is the dog whistle only you (and others with have an #OrangeManBad mindset) can hear. again, to the the majority of people it is. Prolly an unfair question, but what makes a statement racist in you mind? Dis Trump need to say " ya know, those 4 Black women need to go back to where they came from" to make it racist? 1 minute ago, Joe Miner said: The word you're looking for is xenophobic. It's different than racism. And xenophobic is still debatable, but at least it's a better debate. No, i will vehemently argue this point. Trump has not said all nations outside the US are chitholes etc, only those where the great majority of the populace is people of color. 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Here’s the thing. He didn’t say any of that. He qualified everything he said. You want to make this be about racism, because you just know in your heart that the President is racist, despite there being no evidence, because you need him and his supporters to be racists; which is why what he said was so dumb. It opened the door for exactly this sort of nonsense. what did he not say? That immigrants were dirty? That they came here to breed? That these 4 women should go back to where they come from? What part did he not say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: It is not a gross mischaracterization, it is what happens on this board routinely. Disagree with a Trump policy, or a Trump communication etc, and be branded OrangeManBad or TDS..Happens to me all the time, no matter how often i agree with him...as soon as i disagree its only cause #orangemanbad. We should have a hashtag on here #Trumpisgod to conteract In terms of rthis tweet being racist. the phrase"they should go back to where they came from" is widely associated worldwide with racist groups and far right groups.. If you believe to be racist statement has to explicitly state the color of someone's skin, then you are right, there is no way Trump will ever say anything racist, nor will anyone in this world for the most part. So these people should go back where they came from, they are dirty, they came here here to breed...all good! Trump tweets a bunch of crap constantly. No argument, but you're quoting the liberal media talking point which twists his words. He doesn't simply say, "they should go back to where they came from". His tweet said: "Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how.... " He's not telling them to get out. He's telling them to go back to these other countries, do some work and learn something, and then come back. Now he missed the fact that AOC and one from Michigan were born in the U.S. Stupid on his part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Speaking of ACTUAL consequences of bad rhetoric 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: again, to the the majority of people it is. Prolly an unfair question, but what makes a statement racist in you mind? Dis Trump need to say " ya know, those 4 Black women need to go back to where they came from" to make it racist? No, i will vehemently argue this point. Trump has not said all nations outside the US are chitholes etc, only those where the great majority of the populace is people of color. what did he not say? That immigrants were dirty? That they came here to breed? That these 4 women should go back to where they come from? What part did he not say? Is this, generally speaking, a true statement or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Trump tweets a bunch of crap constantly. No argument, but you're quoting the liberal media talking point which twists his words. He doesn't simply say, "they should go back to where they came from". His tweet said: "Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how.... " He's not telling them to get out. He's telling them to go back to these other countries, do some work and learn something, and then come back. Now he missed the fact that AOC and one from Michigan were born in the U.S. Stupid on his part. He missed more as only one was born outside the US #Trumpisgod crowd says don't take everything Trump says as literal, until they say "this is literally what Trump said" the phrase " go back to where they came from " is freaking offensive to the majority of people in this country.. 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Is this, generally speaking, a true statement or not? have you heard him claim the UK , or countries like or Switzerland etc that have socialist systems chitholes? Or charactrized them the way he does in this series of tweets? Now just top piss you all off, I am going to hot yoga shitless..let that vision sink in!!! Edited July 15, 2019 by plenzmd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Now just top piss you all off, I am going to hot yoga shitless..let that vision sink in!!! That is actually the most impressive thing you have said in this thread. Hot yoga is no joke, and not for the weak. (I am assuming you mean shirtless, because shitless would be ) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Sarah Hoyt: Trump Points Out The Obvious. Everybody Apparently Loses Their Damned Minds. “People who are here and want to talk about how terrible America is? LEAVE. Vamoose. Go. We’re not a socialist state that restricts your ability to leave. That’s the whole point.” 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: again, to the the majority of people it is. Prolly an unfair question, but what makes a statement racist in you mind? Dis Trump need to say " ya know, those 4 Black women need to go back to where they came from" to make it racist? No, i will vehemently argue this point. Trump has not said all nations outside the US are chitholes etc, only those where the great majority of the populace is people of color. what did he not say? That immigrants were dirty? That they came here to breed? That these 4 women should go back to where they come from? What part did he not say? Between you and Trump, you are definitely the one that's racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 57 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: He didn't say it, somebody else made it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: He missed more as only one was born outside the US #Trumpisgod crowd says don't take everything Trump says as literal, until they say "this is literally what Trump said" the phrase " go back to where they came from " is freaking offensive to the majority of people in this country.. have you heard him claim the UK , or countries like or Switzerland etc that have socialist systems chitholes? Or charactrized them the way he does in this series of tweets? Now just top piss you all off, I am going to hot yoga shitless..let that vision sink in!!! You didn't answer my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Prolly an unfair question, but what makes a statement racist in you mind? Well, first and foremost it would need to be based on their race and not their politics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, DC Tom said: He didn't say it, somebody else made it happen. If you look closely at that photo from the Trump rally, you can count 13 bodies. I believe that's 13 times the number of people you saw at Hillary's inauguration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, IDBillzFan said: If you look closely at that photo from the Trump rally, you can count 13 bodies. I believe that's 13 times the number of people you saw at Hillary's inauguration. You must be a Trumpanzee - you suck at math Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, McGee Return TD said: You must be a Trumpanzee - you suck at math You're right. I made an error. Let's go to the tape. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 13 x 0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: It is not a gross mischaracterization, it is what happens on this board routinely. Disagree with a Trump policy, or a Trump communication etc, and be branded OrangeManBad or TDS..Happens to me all the time, no matter how often i agree with him...as soon as i disagree its only cause #orangemanbad. We should have a hashtag on here #Trumpisgod to conteract In terms of rthis tweet being racist. the phrase"they should go back to where they came from" is widely associated worldwide with racist groups and far right groups.. If you believe to be racist statement has to explicitly state the color of someone's skin, then you are right, there is no way Trump will ever say anything racist, nor will anyone in this world for the most part. So these people should go back where they came from, they are dirty, they came here here to breed...all good! I haven’t ever characterized you as such, and if others have unfairly I’m sorry to hear it. You seem like someone who actually dialogues on topics which is awesome to see- others here are closer to the sound of a toilet clogging. That being said, you’re inferring the context given the history of the phrase, while the context of the actual text provides a very obvious explanation for the statement- without race being involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, Joe Miner said: Between you and Trump, you are definitely the one that's racist. Okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 44 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: He missed more as only one was born outside the US #Trumpisgod crowd says don't take everything Trump says as literal, until they say "this is literally what Trump said" the phrase " go back to where they came from " is freaking offensive to the majority of people in this country.. have you heard him claim the UK , or countries like or Switzerland etc that have socialist systems chitholes? Or charactrized them the way he does in this series of tweets? Now just top piss you all off, I am going to hot yoga shitless..let that vision sink in!!! The argument broken down in three parts is this: 1- People (even just use Omar as the example) who are not originally from here are here saying that America is terrible and needs to fundamentally change. 2- The places these people are from are universally accepted as shi+hole countries (unless you want to argue that Somalia is great). 3- If they hate America and know how to make someplace good, they should return to their/her shithole country and fix that first, then come back and show us how it's done.... This isn't racist. If she was from Canada and Canada, full of white cannucks, was a steaming pile of ***** (which it is in a lot of ways politically, but economically and overall it is a fairly civilized place) and he said all this it would have the same exact meaning. It's not racist at all. As for your other points, there is a difference between a country having ***** politics and legitimately being 3rd world countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 5 hours ago, KRC said: So are you. no, he's really not. have you seen his posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Gal Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I'd have lost the bet on the contents of this first tweet, the contents of second tweet is much more Romney's style 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I'd have lost the bet on the contents of this first tweet, the contents of second tweet is much more Romney's style Better be careful not to damage his ***** riding the fence so hard. Coming to a sense of political sentience right around the time that "conservatives" were going crazy for this guy really was a good chance for me to see that politics and political parties are wholesale *****-shows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: no, he's really not. have you seen his posts? I have seen his posts and I have met him in person. He has the potential to be better. Instead, he decided to go full TOC. Then complained when he was called out on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: again, to the the majority of people it is. Prolly an unfair question, but what makes a statement racist in you mind? Dis Trump need to say " ya know, those 4 Black women need to go back to where they came from" to make it racist? No, i will vehemently argue this point. Trump has not said all nations outside the US are chitholes etc, only those where the great majority of the populace is people of color. what did he not say? That immigrants were dirty? That they came here to breed? That these 4 women should go back to where they come from? What part did he not say? Correct, he said nothing like that. You stitched in the rest because for reasons known only to you and perhaps your hot yoga instructor, that's the way your mind works. The fact that other people share your tendency to stitch in a similar fashion makes it no more/less truthful than anything else. To boot, he did not tweet about 4 random people sitting on a bench outside a mall, he tweeted about political adversaries who do their own share of crap-throwing, and in some cases label their opponents in very harsh terms. I'd think we could agree the rules are different for those in that realm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Correct, he said nothing like that. You stitched in the rest because for reasons known only to you and perhaps your hot yoga instructor, that's the way your mind works. The fact that other people share your tendency to stitch in a similar fashion makes it no more/less truthful than anything else. To boot, he did not tweet about 4 random people sitting on a bench outside a mall, he tweeted about political adversaries who do their own share of crap-throwing, and in some cases label their opponents in very harsh terms. I'd think we could agree the rules are different for those in that realm? Plen does nothing all day but get ready to freak out over whatever Trump tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I doubt it will actually be a press conference where they answer questions. More than likely they will make separate comments and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: Hey...personally, I hope they make her speaker of the house. I want nothing but upward mobility for her. The more influential she becomes, the more money she'll make. The more money she makes, the better the chances she will hire someone to teach her how to peel a potato and speak at the same time! Only in America! When she gets to a certain point the handlers will fix her and her stupidity will be forgotten. The American attention span is the short. I think at some point it doesn't matter anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: I doubt it will actually be a press conference where they answer questions. More than likely they will make separate comments and be done with it. A conversation with them means they yell the whole time and you get to add nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, KRC said: I have seen his posts and I have met him in person. He has the potential to be better. Instead, he decided to go full TOC. Then complained when he was called out on it. lots of people have potential. unrealized potential is nothing more than a waste of space. while i agree with my last there, i'm not convinced the potential hasn't been maxed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Paulus said: When she gets to a certain point the handlers will fix her and her stupidity will be forgotten. The American attention span is the short. I think at some point it doesn't matter anymore. AoC will be irrelevant after 2020. Dems gonna primary her next year and if that fails NY State Dems will redistrict her out of a seat after the 2020 Census. State machine won't let her near statewide office. She might be lucky to make NYC Council with an eye on Mayor at some point. Maybe hang it up for a stint on MSNBC until she's been forgotten enough to jumpstart her career with porn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, whatdrought said: You know the rules................. NO FAIR ASKING DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS TO TAKE A POSITION . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, /dev/null said: AoC will be irrelevant after 2020. Dems gonna primary her next year and if that fails NY State Dems will redistrict her out of a seat after the 2020 Census. State machine won't let her near statewide office. She might be lucky to make NYC Council with an eye on Mayor at some point. Maybe hang it up for a stint on MSNBC until she's been forgotten enough to jumpstart her career with porn ...downstate NY is an absolute disaster........sell it back to the Indians for 20 bucks and take the $4 dollar loss......their stench pollutes the viable Upstate...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, GG said: So now you know what it's like to be accused of racism, when you don't think you made a racist comment. This is the world that you've been a champion of during your 100 screen name postings. The guy who called me a racist has met me and my family multiple times. That's a word maybe you toss around lightly. I do not and I don't toss it around here often either, even when that nutjob was fantasizing about killing muslims. I would think that if you're going to call someone that, you wouldn't do it on a message board. But that's my standard, not apparently his. I'm happy that you and him have a cheering section for that kind of behavior. Good that you all have each other. Hug it out boys. Edited July 15, 2019 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, /dev/null said: AoC will be irrelevant after 2020. Dems gonna primary her next year and if that fails NY State Dems will redistrict her out of a seat after the 2020 Census. State machine won't let her near statewide office. She might be lucky to make NYC Council with an eye on Mayor at some point. Maybe hang it up for a stint on MSNBC until she's been forgotten enough to jumpstart her career with porn I think that some leftist cabal will think they have lightning in a bottle with her and will relocate her to SF or Seattle for purposes not quite clear at this time if she fails in NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Watching this press conference -- Trump won again. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: again, to the the majority of people it is. Prolly an unfair question, but what makes a statement racist in you mind? Dis Trump need to say " ya know, those 4 Black women need to go back to where they came from" to make it racist? Yes. He would actually need to say something malignant about race to make it racist. Full stop. Being openly hostile to someone with brown skin is not racist, unless you're hostile because of the color of their skin. It's quite clear why the President is hostile. The ideology of the individuals in question. You can disagree with, even openly savage, a person of color for their ideas and opinions, and not be racist. Quote No, i will vehemently argue this point. Trump has not said all nations outside the US are chitholes etc, only those where the great majority of the populace is people of color. ... Nearly every country hemorrhaging migrants and refugees are those where the overwhelming majority of the populace are people of color. These are typically war torn Third World countries, collapsed failed socialist states, or nations controlled by junta or cartels which is why people are fleeing them en masse. If these countries were any good, people would not be fleeing. People are not flooding from Denmark into Syria. People are not fleeing Canada for the greener pastures of Guatemala. The President of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele said it best: "They [migrants] fled El Salvador, they fled our country. It is our fault." Quote what did he not say? That immigrants were dirty? That they came here to breed? I've never heard the "dirty" bit, but consider: Migrants and refugees arriving at our Southern Border are often malnourished, impoverished, and disease ridden. They are not inoculated, and carry all manner of disease. The overwhelming majority of people who have died in Border Control custody arrived here deathly ill, after being dragged thousands of miles across a desert. And most do come here to have children. Birthright citizenship is a reality. Further the President isn't the first person to comment on this. The entire DNC electoral strategy is built on it. Here, Melissa Harris-Perry delivers the message in a piece titled the "browning of America" (2014) <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/embedded-video/mmvo309395011533" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Quote That these 4 women should go back to where they come from? What part did he not say? Only one woman was not from America. And he didn't say she should go back to where she's from because of her race. You did. Again, it goes back to the first thing I said in this response: it's about ideology. Edited July 15, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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