Occasi-Cortez Channeling the Rent's too damn high guy

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

The part that says "Donald J. Trump" with a racist blue check.

 

#OrangeManBad

 

In reality, this isn't any different than where the GOP was in 2009ish. The Democrats will eventually bounce back. The pendulum of American politics will swing.

  I don't see it that way.  Although the GOP has lost something in terms of unifying issues it still has the 2nd Amendment among other things to lineup behind.  The Democrats used to have Big Labor to rally behind for most people.  Today there are Democrats that care about civil rights but little else and others that care about abortion and little else.  Heck, used to be small national defense budget was a big deal for a sizable number of Democrats but anymore a fair number receive their paycheck from a company that has national defense ties.  

[B-Man]

 

 

 Private Democratic Poll: AOC Most Recognizable Democrat in America Among Swing Voters.

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

How do you know they aren’t?

A) Trump is saying it, so it is more than likely a lie 

 

B) There is no proof, so why would I even think it's true just because your orange cult leader says it 

 

C) Do you actually believe Trump on this? <--Don't worry, I know you can't answer that. 

[RochesterRob]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

 Private Democratic Poll: AOC Most Recognizable Democrat in America Among Swing Voters.

 

 

 

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  She is getting the media push plain and simple.

[keepthefaith]

Just now, Tiberius said:

 

 

Did you see him say most of the asylum seekers are just criminals? 

 

 

 

They are as they are abusing the asylum system by making fake asylum claims, gaining access to the country, not showing up for their court hearings and staying in the country illegally.  Asylum is not about someone simply wanting to pursue a better life somewhere else.  It's also not about choosing your preferred destination in which to request asylum.  Those preferences fail to meet the asylum standard. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 Private Democratic Poll: AOC Most Recognizable Democrat in America Among Swing Voters.

 

 

 

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Good thing Trump is firing up the Dem base to counter that. 

2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

They are as they are abusing the asylum system by making fake asylum claims, gaining access to the country, not showing up for their court hearings and staying in the country illegally.  Asylum is not about someone simply wanting to pursue a better life somewhere else.  It's also not about choosing your preferred destination in which to request asylum.  Those preferences fail to meet the asylum standard. 

How are they false claims? Heck, say what you will about the law, but really 1/2 of the globe could qualify for asylum if they could get here. Migrants, war refugees, political oppression are all reasons they could legally seek asylum. 

[IDBillzFan]

12 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

I just don't know how yall total dismiss everything he says on twitter as "Trump being Trump"..anYall kill @Tiberius for what he says on social media...whats the difference?

 

 

Probably the same way the left spent eight years saying "Oh, that's just Joe being Joe with his rhetorical flourish!"

 

Party dogs are loyal to the pack to a fault. In the end, most American's don't give a crap because beyond the fact that people are working again, they're secretly cheering on the way he shoves his middle finger at anyone who jumps him. I've often wished people like Romney or McCain or Ryan would have punch back like Trump does when people made ridiculous accusations about them.

 

I'd argue, maybe not successfully, that Romney would have kicked Obama's ass if he acted more like Trump in his campaign, giving people schitt for the stupidity they lobbed at him about giving a woman cancer or cutting a college kids hair in a ritual or even driving with a dog on his roof.

 

But no. He was pre-DeLorean Marty McFly, and we got four more years of a president so bad that Carter sends him a fruit basket every election day.

 

[whatdrought]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

A) Trump is saying it, so it is more than likely a lie 

 

B) There is no proof, so why would I even think it's true just because your orange cult leader says it 

 

C) Do you actually believe Trump on this? <--Don't worry, I know you can't answer that. 

 

You’re literally accusing me of bias while you sit and say “it’s not true cause trump said it.” Do you know how ######ed that makes you look?

 

I don’t believe anyone at their word. Show me evidence either way and I’ll look at it. It’s called being intellectually honest <— don’t worry, I know you don’t know what that is.

Edited July 15, 2019 by whatdrought

[KRC]

8 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

You’re better than this Ken. 

 

So are you.

[3rdnlng]

59 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I've been reading through the various replies and this is among the most salient points I've read. 

 

I was a reluctant Trump supporter,  found his approach by Tweet unsettling when he was first elected (I was horrified when he tweeted that Obama wiretapped him, thinking a president should not say that sort of this without proof), but history has shown that on many of those "WTF!" moments he was on point and often ahead of the curve. 

 

On this most recent firestorm, it is what it is. He chose to send a tweet that was sloppy in regards to who is from where and which country, and I can understand his detractors seeing evidence of hatred or racism in his remarks. 

 

I do the same thing, actually, and see remarks like Nancy Pelosi's "MAGA really means make America white again"  as incredibly divisive race-1baiting language that reflects poorly on her and her motives.  I think that language is dangerous, destructive and intended to rile her base, which includes the same type of hateful thugs that will lie/cheat/steal/destroy and kill to further their cause as you see on the right. The thing about Pelosi v Trump is while Trump seems impetuous and less than artful (by design or not), I think Pelosi, Biden, Harris, Clinton, Schumer etc think through what they are going to say, focus group it for maximum effect and send out exactly what they think will help them the most politically.

 

In fact, the common theme from our political leaders is to demonize the other party at all costs. 

 

So given the flesh and blood of us all, you wanted feedback.  I'm happy to give mine, but what are your thoughts on the other side? Do you have the same questions on the Pelosi for Prez board at another site?  Or the "Biden for Prez All hands on deck" site? Or, have you accepted the narrative that trump is the first flesh and blood individual who hates everyone and everything ever created in the history of the world?

 

I'm looking at the totality of 45s Presidency thus far and see little in the way of institutionalized racist policies and in fact, see quite a bit of positive data for all who want to contribute and work for their own slice of the American dream.  

 

Unlike some of the others posters here who's views I respect (you're in that group), I wouldn't say whether Pelosi is a racist or not. How would I know what's in her heart, who she pals around with and how she treats everyday Americans.  Some dems seem to think she is, and given their experiences maybe she fits the mold. I do think that while a person guilty of violence against someone for who they are is vile, I am quite certain I have no respect for the second spitter off in the shadows goading them on with rhetoric like "That guy hates you people.". While guy #1 is often ruled by emotion/rage/hate, person  #2 is calculating and reflects a darkness that's hard for me to understand.  

 

 

 

FIFY.

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Good thing Trump is firing up the Dem base to counter that. 

  You can say "firing up the base" ten more times between now and noon time but the reality of it all is that it is not true.  The identity politics game the Dems have been playing will work against them in 2020 as a fair number of people are going to be unhappy that their candidate will not prevail.  Younger people today believe in the tank theory just like as it is applied to sports.  Lose a little now to setup for what you want long term.  A number of issues such as racism is somebody else's issue but not theirs.  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Exclusive poll: AOC defining Dems in swing states.

The poll — taken in May, before Speaker Pelosi’s latest run-in with AOC and the three other liberal House freshmen known as “The Squad” — included 1,003 likely general-election voters who are white and have two years or less of college education.

 

These are the “white, non-college voters” who embraced Donald Trump in 2016 but are needed by Democrats in swing House districts.

 

The group that took the poll shared the results with Axios on the condition that it not be named, because the group has to work with all parts of the party.

 

The findings:

 

Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74% of voters in the poll; 22% had a favorable view.

Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — another member of The Squad — was recognized by 53% of the voters; 9% (not a typo) had a favorable view.

 

Socialism was viewed favorably by 18% of the voters and unfavorably by 69%.

 

Capitalism was 56% favorable; 32% unfavorable.

“Socialism is toxic to these voters,” said the top Democrat.

 

I think this may have something to do it.

 

 

UPDATE: “President Trump Stirs The Pot In Dems’ Civil War, Forcing Pelosi To Make Nice With Those Who Want To Destroy Her.”

 

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

You’re literally accusing me of bias while you sit and say “it’s not true cause trump said it.” Do you know how ######ed that makes you look?

 

I don’t believe anyone at their word. Show me evidence either way and I’ll look at it. It’s called being intellectually honest <— don’t worry, I know you don’t know what that is.

  Tiberius is strictly intellectually dishonest.  He is here to push an agenda for his masters and nothing more.

[B-Man]

 

 

From Prof. Ann Althouse;

 

FTA:

 

Here's the entire statement — a tripartite tweet (1, 2, 3?

So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly........and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how.... ....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

That's from 22 hours ago. He got a lot of pushback — including Power Line's "A Blunder of Epic Proportions" — but he didn't walk it back. He's Donald Trump; he doubled down. From 11 hours ago — a 2-part tweet (1, 2?

So sad to see the Democrats sticking up for people who speak so badly of our Country and who, in addition, hate Israel with a true and unbridled passion. Whenever confronted, they call their adversaries, including Nancy Pelosi, “RACIST.” Their disgusting language..... ....and the many terrible things they say about the United States must not be allowed to go unchallenged. If the Democrat Party wants to continue to condone such disgraceful behavior, then we look even more forward to seeing you at the ballot box in 2020!

1. Who is he talking about? He doesn't name names, so it's an invitation for others to do the defining. I see many people talking about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and expressing outrage that Trump would speak of her as an immigrant when she was born in the United States. But he didn't name her. His words exclude her. She's really got a hold on people's mind!

2. What, exactly, is supposed to be racist here? Clearly, these tweets cause some readers to feel that racism is being expressed, but it's hard to find it in these words. I see "RACIST" but that's in the context of ostensibly sticking up for Nancy Pelosi. Some Democrats are calling her racist, and that shows how unfairly quick they are to see racism. Defending Pelosi, he implicitly defends himself.

3. Is it xenophobia? He's not saying get out and stay out. He's saying don't criticize the United States if you immigrated from a worse country. Go back to that place, fix it, and "The come back and show us... how it is done." He's welcoming the immigrant back, after these steps are taken. Of course, it's unrealistic to expect someone to return to a place they left and become involved in changing that place, but it's a figure of speech. He seems to be saying that those who were not born here, who chose to move here, have a special obligation to express love for America, that they should tone down their criticism of America.

4. If telling these Congresswomen to tone it down is wrong, Nancy Pelosi was wrong too. (See "Tensions Between Pelosi and Progressive Democrats of ‘the Squad’ Burst Into Flame" (NYT).) So, again, Trump lines himself up with Pelosi. How do you defend Pelosi without defending Trump? In this view, it's a clever (and cruel) rhetorical move by Trump.

 

 

More at the link:  https://althouse.blogspot.com/2019/07/lets-look-at-trumps-now-infamous.html

 

 

 

 

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[whatdrought]

12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Tiberius is strictly intellectually dishonest.  He is here to push an agenda for his masters and nothing more.

 

Yeah, I guess I keep hoping he’ll bump his head while bowing before his Hillary shrine and wake up a non-######ed person who can actually think through some of his ideas...

[keepthefaith]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Good thing Trump is firing up the Dem base to counter that. 

How are they false claims? Heck, say what you will about the law, but really 1/2 of the globe could qualify for asylum if they could get here. Migrants, war refugees, political oppression are all reasons they could legally seek asylum. 

 

Sorry but being a migrant falls well short.

 

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1158&num=0&edition=prelim

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[BeginnersMind]

28 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

So are you.

 

I didn't call you a racist. That's pretty sh---y. 

 

Guess it's all acceptable on billsChan. 

[KRC]

3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

I didn't call you a racist. That's pretty sh---y. 

 

Guess it's all acceptable on billsChan. 

 

You make racist comments, you will be called a racist.

[B-Man]

If you want to know why some people see obvious racism in Trump (and Pelosi’s) words, and others do not.

 

Dave Marcus breaks it down here. Simply put, our society no longer has a working definition of “racism.”

 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

I’m tripping on the irony of the fact that your inaccurate paraphrase has 100% more race mentions then the original text.... 

 

1 hour ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

After years of the left invoking "Whitey bad", I don't think 'racist' carries the same weight it used to with rational thinking people. The professional outrage mob has made people numb to it.

Lets accept that at face value(which i do not), does not mean racism does not exist

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dont worry guys, I’ve created an anthology of all the posts and comments in this thread that directly reference skin color... now we can really see who the racists are. 

 

Obviously trumps tweet is quoted because it directly speaks of skin color and other race based qualifiers... wait... *****. I don’t know what happened....

This is some master level logic here...Vincini would be proud. I am sure you are just getting started!

 

 

[McGee Return TD]

 

 

Commies or socialists?

[Deranged Rhino]

"Socialism's goal is communism"

Lenin

 

One leads to the other. Communism is the goal, they're just too dishonest to admit it.

[RochesterRob]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

Lets accept that at face value(which i do not), does not mean racism does not exist

This is some master level logic here...Vincini would be proud. I am sure you are just getting started!

 

 

  I don''t think that Gavin is saying racism does not exist but the issue is overplayed.  

[/dev/null]

14 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Every time he tweets like this, the first question I ask is "What is he distracting attention from?"

 

My guess is he is trying to deflect coverage away from the upcoming Mueller testimony and Epstein hearing. 

 

#fakenews already knows Mueller's testimony will be a big nothingburger so they would have otherwise spent this week spinning up their false narratives that although Mueller's testimony won't implicate Trump, Trump is still guilty of #orangemanbad stuff

 

Meanwhile #fakenews has been in damage control mode over the Epstein case

 

So now the #fakenews is focused on Trump v Pelosi vs AoC & Crew.  That will all come to a sudden halt once Mueller raises his right hand.  Rather than expecting an outcome based on a weeks worth of #RussiaRussiaRussia #orangemanbad #resist, people will see Mueller's testimony as a non-event.

 

Followed a day or so later by the details of Epstein's hearing and the possible naming of names.  Maybe even some of everyone's "faves"...

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

"Socialism's goal is communism"

Lenin

 

One leads to the other. Communism is the goal, they're just too dishonest to admit it.

attack them with all guns a blazing on their ideas, attack them aith your above quote and call them dishonest..all great.. that is America! 

 

That was not what this was...not even close

12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I don''t think that Gavin is saying racism does not exist but the issue is overplayed.  

and i agree to some extent....but to say Trump can say and tweet whatever the hell he wants cause some have used the race card to much? 

 

 

 

 

[4merper4mer]

16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

"Socialism's goal is communism"

Lenin

 

One leads to the other. Communism is the goal, they're just too dishonest to admit it.

Right there is why I always hated the Beatles.

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

attack them with all guns a blazing on their ideas, attack them aith your above quote and call them dishonest..all great.. that is America! 

 

That was not what this was...not even close

 

Well, it certainly wasn’t racism.  It was completely consistent with the President’s “America First, American Exceptionalism” rhetoric that he built his campaign on.  No one is attacked or disparaged because of their race, or even their nation of origin.

 

The only issue I take with it, is that it was completely politically inept; as it disrupted a public cannibal dinner at DNC headquarters, and will be spun as racist by people who see racism everywhere or require the President and their political enemies to be racist.

[whatdrought]

34 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

This is some master level logic here...Vincini would be proud. I am sure you are just getting started!

 

 

Well, I've always considered myself more of a Fezzik, but I'll take it.

 

Here's some logic for you:

 

Criticizing someone's ideas and intellect is not a form of racism- no matter what color they are. 

 

Here's another: 

 

Making statements about people's heritage is not inherently racist. 

 

Here's another: 

 

Telling people to go back to their place of origin because their ideas are bad and because they hate the United States is not racist. 

 

Here's another: 

 

Racism is negative treatment of people based solely on their skin color and their national or racial makeup. 

 

Here's another: 

 

If I am a black man and call a white man/woman an idiot because he's intellectually lacking, I am not a racist. If I am a white man and call a "Brown" man/woman dumb because they are intellectually lacking, I am not a racist. 

 

Here's another: 

 

If person A calls person B out for being intellectually lacking, and person C see's this and assumes that person a is doing so on the basis of race, with no actual reason to assume that, the person in the situation with the issue dealing with race is person C. 

 

Edited July 15, 2019 by whatdrought

[BeginnersMind]

54 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

You make racist comments, you will be called a racist.

 

I judged you wrongly. Be well. 

[Deranged Rhino]

14 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

attack them with all guns a blazing on their ideas, attack them aith your above quote and call them dishonest..all great.. that is America! 

 

That was not what this was...not even close

 

I was responding to Graham's comments, not Trump's tweet. 

[row_33]

23 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Right there is why I always hated the Beatles.

 

Never trusted Zeppo Marx either 

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

Never trusted Zeppo Marx either 

 

 

 

 

Why did he pick on me ?

 

 

 

 

[Taro T]

1st off, like 50-75% of 45's tweets, this one was cringeworthy.

 

And, it was fairly predictable that it would be interpreted as being racist.  But, what he actually said (as opposed to what people interpreted what he said) doesn't seem to be racist.   (Although it would be interesting to know how many Congresswomen have migrated to the US; only know of 1 ottomh for certain (Omar).)

 

He had to have known that the tweet would be interpreted as being racist.  Really not sure what he was going for by sending it out.  Because it seems to be more of a shoot himself in the foot moment than his usual stuff.

 

Do expect that his base (and many others as well) will like the 'rather than be here complaining about how horrible the US is, why not go to the place you come across as expressing more loyalty towards and make that a better place and THEN work on 'fixing' here' sentiment but, like so much else he tweets, it was more divisive than necessary and seems to have been counterproductive. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

It is kinda funny if you read this thread going back a few pages. There seems to be three camps:

1) "Rayyyyyycccccist" because #OrangeManBad
2) Trump being Trump
3) Higher plan 

And reading those media articles linked here and elsewhere, the media also are divided into the same three camps.  (I am in camp 3 as I think he stirred the pot for a reason.)

No real point to this post, just an observation

[whatdrought]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

It is kinda funny if you read this thread going back a few pages. There seems to be three camps:

1) "Rayyyyyycccccist" because #OrangeManBad
2) Trump being Trump
3) Higher plan 

And reading those media articles linked here and elsewhere, the media also are divided into the same three camps.  (I am in camp 3 as I think he stirred the pot for a reason.)

No real point to this post, just an observation

 

I really don’t care enough to be in any of the groups, I just get pissed at group 1’s insisting that whatever they deem racist is racist. 

 

The link DR posted a few pages back detailing how it could be an attempt to draw the left back together and push the implosion down the road a couple months makes good sense, but I usually don’t give Trump that much credit. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

I really don’t care enough to be in any of the groups, I just get pissed at group 1’s insisting that whatever they deem racist is racist. 

 

The link DR posted a few pages back detailing how it could be an attempt to draw the left back together and push the implosion down the road a couple months makes good sense, but I usually don’t give Trump that much credit. 

Few people give him much credit, and yet here he sits, political "neophyte" who took on the GOP establishment, the Clinton Machine, and the MSM to become President of the United States.  

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Few people give him much credit, and yet here he sits, political "neophyte" who took on the GOP establishment, the Clinton Machine, and the MSM to become President of the United States.  

 

Yup! And he’s definitely good at what he does... sometimes it seems like he takes his trolling stchick a bit far in light of the upcoming election, but I enjoy the show.

[KRC]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

It is kinda funny if you read this thread going back a few pages. There seems to be three camps:

1) "Rayyyyyycccccist" because #OrangeManBad
2) Trump being Trump
3) Higher plan 

And reading those media articles linked here and elsewhere, the media also are divided into the same three camps.  (I am in camp 3 as I think he stirred the pot for a reason.)

No real point to this post, just an observation

 

I agree that he stirred the pot for a reason, but I am not sure that the end result will give what he wanted.