First Round Draft Pick Is ...

[ctk232]

6 hours ago, MikeSpeed said:

The first pick will be a DT. Kyle will be gone, and our defensive minded coach will want to replace him. I know I know we got Philips this year. I don't care. Any excuse to draft D line will be taken advantage of. I wouldn't be surprised if the first 2 picks are on the D side. Also don't be surprised if RB isn't taken in day 2.

If it's high enough for Oliver or Bosa why not? Top 5 picks usually go BPA, unless you need a QB or trade down. While I'd love to see Harry or AJ drafted in the 2nd, or late 1st if we trade down, and we certainly need OL, spending a top pick on either of those two wouldn't be all that terrible. While it's not the team's top need, our DL doesn't get much pressure beyond Hughes and Williams/JPhillips, one of which may not be here next year.  

[The Senator]

If it’s not Jonah Williams, then we should take LT Trey Adams from Washington- I’m fine with either one.

[Soda Popinski]

33 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Look there is plenty of room for failure in drafting. So if they are smart..  IN free agency they get 1-2 good starting offensive lineman and 1-2 good wide receivers same with draft. This is how you secure your talented positions.

Didn't think our Defense was is the problem.. Thought the problem.. or at least what you have stated in past is OL WR. How we planning to fix that if we ignore those positions early in draft/ especially the line..

On defense, if you aren't getting better, you are getting worse.  You have to improve the defense every year or it degrades quickly.    But beyond the one pick top 5, I would go all offense with the rest of the picks in rounds 2-4.  Then whatever needs we have from 5-7 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

It is a smart play because you can play Jonah at LT....move Dawkins to LG....and you have fixed one side of this horrible offensive line

 

Dawkins has definitely let some guys right on by this year. Guard might be his best option.

 

 

13 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Absolutely. Oliver as well.

 

Outside of those two, I’m happy if the Bills trade down.

 

after watching Bosa and Oliver , Bosa looks like a much better player.

 

 

13 hours ago, The Senator said:

If it’s not Jonah Williams, then we should take LT Trey Adams from Washington- I’m fine with either one.

 

With him not playing all year I wonder if we can get him latter.

 

I'm also hoping for those Wisconsin boys in the middle.

 

 

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

22 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Me too

 

if we can't get a tackle I probably go WR. Really like DK Metcalf if he comes out.

 

 

 

Haven't noticed him yet but haven't watched much Oklahoma this year.

 

Please tell me he comes with out the OBJ mental disorders and Divaism??

 

Just looked him up and no way in the first, guy is a midget. We need a complete WR who can come everything.

 

 

 

 

 

Bro if he plays like OBJ at all he can be all the diva he wants to be. This locker room NEEDS people like OBJ to call a turd a turd... I'm over this brotherly love crap they got going on in the locker room... fingers need to be pointed n people need to be held accountable. 

 

Even when that negativity happens, I can still picture McDermott clapping.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

3 minutes ago, HuSeYiN_NYC said:

 

Bro if he plays like OBJ at all he can be all the diva he wants to be. This locker room NEEDS people like OBJ to call a turd a turd... I'm over this brotherly love crap they got going on in the locker room... fingers need to be pointed n people need to be held accountable. 

 

Even when that negativity happens, I can still picture McDermott clapping.

 

No we don't . OBJ is an immature child and a cancer.

 

and this kid isn't that good. Would you really want to spend a first on a guy who is 5'10" 157 ??? Dude is a munchkin, not happening.

 

 

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

No we don't . OBJ is an immature child and a cancer.

 

and this kid isn't that good. Would you really want to spend a first on a guy who is 5'10" 157 ??? Dude is a munchkin, not happening.

 

 

It says he's 168lbs, he just needs to add 10-12lbs. Desean Jackson did okay at a similar size as did Antonio Brown and OBJ. If I was Buffalo I'd be targeting Tavon Austin this off-season, between Zay, Marquise and Tavon we'd be in good shape I think.

[GunnerBill]

21 hours ago, H2o said:

It all depends on FA. Do we really pass on Bosa or Oliver if the opportunity is there though? I for one hope not. It would be like passing on Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald imo. That is the type of talent level these guys have. A lot of things can happen between now and then. We'll see how things start shaping up come early April. 

 

Agree. 

[GunnerBill]

16 hours ago, wppete said:

Ive watched him play a lot. He looks more like a guard and could be an elite guard. His lack of length is a huge concern. 

 

I agree, and I think we already have one of those in Dawkins (passable, league average LT could be elite at LG). 

 

I am in favour of the get a new LT and slide Dawkins inside idea. That would be my "plan A" on the offensive line. Just not sure I see Jonah as that guy to be a big upgrade on the outside.

 

Nor do I see a huge amount of help at LT in free agency. There is a reaonably good group of interior OL available in FA and a handful of upgrades at RT. Therefore you might have to be prepared to shift to my "plan B" which is spend my FA $$s on a center, a guard and a right tackle, leave Dawkins where he is and then draft a young tackle somewhere in the mid rounds who you can try and develop behind Dawkins and your new RT as a swing guy in the first instance. 

 

If your line looked something like:

Dawkins - Quinton Spain (TEN) - Matt Paradis (DEN) - Wyat Teller / Vlad Ducasse - Daryl Williams (CAR) that would be a significantly upgraded unit. 

 

And I know it is unpopular but I am still not passing on Oliver or Bosa if I am in position to take them at #1 or #2. 

[mannc]

On 10/30/2018 at 1:07 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

 

 

 

 We need a complete WR who can come everything.

 

 

 

 

Gross

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree, and I think we already have one of those in Dawkins (passable, league average LT could be elite at LG). 

 

I am in favour of the get a new LT and slide Dawkins inside idea. That would be my "plan A" on the offensive line. Just not sure I see Jonah as that guy to be a big upgrade on the outside.

 

Nor do I see a huge amount of help at LT in free agency. There is a reaonably good group of interior OL available in FA and a handful of upgrades at RT. Therefore you might have to be prepared to shift to my "plan B" which is spend my FA $$s on a center, a guard and a right tackle, leave Dawkins where he is and then draft a young tackle somewhere in the mid rounds who you can try and develop behind Dawkins and your new RT as a swing guy in the first instance. 

 

If your line looked something like:

Dawkins - Quinton Spain (TEN) - Matt Paradis (DEN) - Wyat Teller / Vlad Ducasse - Daryl Williams (CAR) that would be a significantly upgraded unit. 

 

And I know it is unpopular but I am still not passing on Oliver or Bosa if I am in position to take them at #1 or #2. 

If you take Bosa (much better than Oliver, IMO), then when do you ever rebuild the offense?  We are completely devoid of playmakers and the only way to get them to come to Buffalo is to draft them.

Edited October 31, 2018 by mannc

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, mannc said:

If you take Bosa (much better than Oliver, IMO), then when do you ever rebuild the offense?  We are completely devoid of playmakers and the only way to get them to come to Buffalo is to draft them.

 

You rebuild it with your other picks. I am just not a fan of draft for need - especially when you have a top 5 pick. When you get one of those (and the Bills for all our ineptitude have only drafted in the top 5 once in my fandom (since 2002) you have to get an elite prospect. I don't think there is one there on the offensive side of the ball at this stage of my evaluations (obviously as I watch more tape after the season my view on that might change) but I do think there are at least those two on the defensive side. An it is not as though our defensive line should be seen as complete in any event. On the edge we have Jerry Hughes having a great year but can't go on forever and basically nothing else then inside we have Harrison Phillips who looks a nice player but not a difference maker and Star who is a complimentary piece (though he has improved pretty consistently this season after a slow start). That DLine does, in my view, require work - and I'd still put pass rusher no lower than 3rd on our positional needs.

 

So if Bosa or Oliver are there for you - pick them. We need wide receivers and tight ends - no doubt. I actually think this receiver class looks a bit like the 2016 class where the 2nd round was a bit of a sweet spot and you could get a Michael Thomas, a Tyler Boyd or a Sterling Shepard there. I think you upgrade the line in FA, you trade for a solid vet receiver (someone who is an established #1 or #2 in the league - I'd have been in on Demaryious Thomas but there are other names that make sense too - or maybe you go Tate in FA), and then you draft a couple of young receivers and put them around that vet and hope that the small improvements we have seen in Zay this year make him at least a serviceable #3/#4. You also need to take a pass catching tight end somewhere in the middle rounds, and sign a proper blocking TE in FA - there are always decent options available in that position.

[SoTier]

 

20 hours ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Trade down would be great but the bills need to draft top end talent if they end up with a high pick and forced to take someone. You can’t reach for a wr just because you want one if they aren’t that good. That’s how bad teams draft. 

 

Isn't that exactly what the Bills have done in the last two drafts under McDermott???   They passed on two excellent QB prospects in 2017 who have turned into decent NFL QBs (at their low end) for a CB because they needed one.  They then traded away their starting QB and their starting LT to move up to take the fourth best QB prospect in the 2018 draft.   Why would they change "their plan" to stock up on offense in 2019 just because the best talent in the draft is on the defensive side?

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

No we don't . OBJ is an immature child and a cancer.

 

and this kid isn't that good. Would you really want to spend a first on a guy who is 5'10" 157 ??? Dude is a munchkin, not happening.

 

 

 

I don't follow college ball so i dont know the guy's physical appearance. Plus my point was more so the fact that we need a OBJ type player even if he comes with the divaness... If he can play like OBJ, he can be all the diva he wants to be is what I said...

[billsfan_34]

On 10/30/2018 at 4:07 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Me too

 

if we can't get a tackle I probably go WR. Really like DK Metcalf if he comes out.

 

 

 

Haven't noticed him yet but haven't watched much Oklahoma this year.

 

Please tell me he comes with out the OBJ mental disorders and Divaism??

 

Just looked him up and no way in the first, guy is a midget. We need a complete WR who can come everything.

 

 

 

 

Yes- one in the form of 6’2”, 220lbs, strong hands, good route running, above average speed, breaks tackles, and can make the first man miss. Is there an Eric Moulds type out there? 

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Yes- one in the form of 6’2”, 220lbs, strong hands, good route running, above average speed, breaks tackles, and can make the first man miss. Is there an Eric Moulds type out there? 

 

I'm not sold on ANY of these likely 2019 draft wide receivers at this stage. Again still lots of my evaluation process to go but I wouldn't be surprised based on what I have watched so far if I had around 20/22 genuine first round grades in the 2019 draft and around 16/18 of those were defensive players. The Bills plan might be to load up on offense and clearly we need help on that side of the ball - but it is a draft where a lot of the top tier talent is on defense.

[Chuck Wagon]

If Bosa or Oliver is on the board when we pick, just take them.  

 

Then go all offense the rest of the draft.

[Chandler#81]

The very best player. Not to a butthead, we’re likely picking very high, so DL, OL, LB, WR, DB .whoever is next year’s Chubb, Barkley, etc. Instant Starter anywhere is an overall upgrade.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

If Bosa or Oliver is on the board when we pick, just take them.  

 

Then go all offense the rest of the draft.

 

Agreed on the first line. Think they need to take a developmental corner somewhere (4th round or so) as well.... but beyond that their focus should be to upgrade the offense without hugely reaching down the board for guys.

[Chuck Wagon]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agreed on the first line. Think they need to take a developmental corner somewhere (4th round or so) as well.... but beyond that their focus should be to upgrade the offense without hugely reaching down the board for guys.

 

 

As annoyed as I am with the conga line of talented CBs leaving us in FA, I do believe you need to keep taking that position so I agree.  The best run teams keep taking shots on pass rushers / CBs / WRs.

 

 

 

Really hoping we end up with pick #1 and the team sitting at 3 is desperate for a QB.  Picking up more draft picks while getting whoever is left over between Bosa and Oliver is a very enticing proposition.

Edited October 31, 2018 by Chuck Wagon

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

As annoyed as I am with the conga line of talented CBs leaving us in FA, I do believe you need to keep taking that position so I agree.  The best run teams keep taking shots on pass rushers / CBs / WRs.

 

They will have to find a cheap starting corner in FA too.... there is a guy who will be out there called EJ Gaines........ he might be a fit.

 

(seriously letting him leave to bring in Vontae looks like another personnel mistake)

[SCBills]

If we can sign 2 OL and 2 WRs in FA, I think we’ll go with Ed Oliver. 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Come draft time I always think of the old adage, “you never trade a dollar for 4 quarters.” If I have a super early pick, I’m not looking at need. I’m looking for a dollar. Bosa and Oliver jump out at me  (especially Bosa). Other guys may climb into that mix but get the best player at the top of the draft. 

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

Really hoping we end up with pick #1 and the team sitting at 3 is desperate for a QB.  Picking up more draft picks while getting whoever is left over between Bosa and Oliver is a very enticing proposition.

 

I'd do that trade!

[CuddyDark]

On ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 4:01 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Bills trade down in the first round and select :

 

OT Jonah Williams 6'5" 301 Alabama

 

 

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"PROS: Size and strength are NFL-ready. Excellent footwork out of his stance, entering his pass set with no wasted movements or false steps. Adjusts his set points based on edge defender’s alignment. Patient in pass protection, waits for opponent to show his hands and then counters. Times up his strikes well to combat power. Explosive in his first step to build his house against wide nines. "

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/08/05/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-jonah-williams/

 

 

I like it. Then we can move Dawkins to LG.

[K-Apps]

BPA, trading down when you lack elite talent period is a foolhardy mission that bad franchises do (Browns). If it’s D-Line, O-Line, WR, TE, or LB, doesn’t matter, just pick the best player that can contribute right away.

[Kirby Jackson]

25 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

As annoyed as I am with the conga line of talented CBs leaving us in FA, I do believe you need to keep taking that position so I agree.  The best run teams keep taking shots on pass rushers / CBs / WRs.

 

 

 

Really hoping we end up with pick #1 and the team sitting at 3 is desperate for a QB.  Picking up more draft picks while getting whoever is left over between Bosa and Oliver is a very enticing proposition.

 

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd do that trade!

Shepard and/or Engram, pick 3 and a 2nd for the 1st pick. The Giants get the QB. We get Bosa or Oliver, at least one pass catcher and the 35th pick.

[Bing Bong]

A trade down for a king's ransom.

 

Seriously. If it's a top 3 pick, there might be a team desperate enough to get the missing piece, hopefully some QB needy team looking for a bust.

 

I want a Rams/Goff trade down. A RGIII/Redskins deal.. And spam offense offense offense.. and maybe a Kyle Williams replacement.

[CookieG]

1 hour ago, HuSeYiN_NYC said:

 

I don't follow college ball so i dont know the guy's physical appearance. Plus my point was more so the fact that we need a OBJ type player even if he comes with the divaness... If he can play like OBJ, he can be all the diva he wants to be is what I said...

A better comparison for him would be Brandin Cooks or Desean Jackson on the good side, Tavon Austin on the bad.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 10/30/2018 at 6:21 AM, Fadingpain said:

You can build an all pro offensive line but if our QB play is no better than what we have received this year, our record will be the same.

 

Offensive tackle has very little impact on wins and losses.

 

 

 

 

 

Elite offensive lines make for elite offenses. Give a guy like Allen with that arm time? 

 

? % to the trenches 

 

 

[corta765]

On 10/30/2018 at 9:10 AM, Pete said:

If we have a shot at Bosa or Oliver, I draft them(well after fielding calls).  After that-I am ok with every pick being Oline and WR

 

Yea you can't pass up game changers like that so I agree. But then after heavy O

[billsredneck1]

20 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

On defense, if you aren't getting better, you are getting worse.  You have to improve the defense every year or it degrades quickly.    But beyond the one pick top 5, I would go all offense with the rest of the picks in rounds 2-4.  Then whatever needs we have from 5-7 

if we can move down and end up with an extra 2nd and 3rd, we could then take the 2 5ths and 2 7ths and turn them into 4ths.

wouldn't that make 9 out of 10 picks in the first 4 rds.?  yum

[Soda Popinski]

Just now, billsredneck1 said:

if we can move down and end up with an extra 2nd and 3rd, we could then take the 2 5ths and 2 7ths and turn them into 4ths.

wouldn't that make 9 out of 10 picks in the first 4 rds.?  yum

I love the idea of a bunch of picks between rounds 2-4 for sure.  There are only a couple guys I would pass that up for and they're pretty much Oliver and Bosa, which right now at 5 we're probably going to miss out on both.   

 

That also begs the question who is someone wanting to trade up for? If the QB/Bosa/Oliver are gone who are they looking to get?  

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

I love the idea of a bunch of picks between rounds 2-4 for sure.  There are only a couple guys I would pass that up for and they're pretty much Oliver and Bosa, which right now at 5 we're probably going to miss out on both.   

 

That also begs the question who is someone wanting to trade up for? If the QB/Bosa/Oliver are gone who are they looking to get?  

 

I totally agree with this. At this point I have them on a level all on their own in this draft. If I end up at #3 or #4 and they are off the board then I am very much open for business in terms of trading back. I'd even consider moving back as far as the mid teens which is where I think (again based on preliminary work done so far) the next ledge is that you drop off.

 

EDIT: As for your other question.... I can see a team who has a pass rush need and has missed out on Bosa and Oliver getting desperate and falling in love with a 2nd tier pass rusher (of which there are still 3 or 4 very good prospects). The two Clemson kids, Rashan Gary from Michigan and Josh Allen (not that one) from Kentucky. You saw how much the Saints gave up last year in a weaker pass rush draft to get Marcus Davenport who is a raw, high ceiling guy. I don't think it is impossible that you could have takers at #s 3-6 in the draft. The question is whether they are willing to pay what you want to move back.

Edited October 31, 2018 by GunnerBill

[McBean]

We are going to be picking in top 5.

 

I would either:

 

A. Trade down to stockpile more picks.

 

B. Take Greg Little OT Ole Miss and have your franchise LT for the next decade to protect your hopefully Franchise QB Josh Allen. Kick Dawkins to RT

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, McBean said:

We are going to be picking in top 5.

 

I would either:

 

A. Trade down to stockpile more picks.

 

B. Take Greg Little OT Ole Miss and have your franchise LT for the next decade to protect your hopefully Franchise QB Josh Allen. Kick Dawkins to RT

 

Dawkins can't play RT if you are kicking him somewhere you should be kicking him inside to LG where I truly believe he could be elite. I don't have an opinion on Greg Little yet, I haven't watched him.

 

I am on board with the general approach if you end up drafting 3-5. If you are drafting 1-2 you have to pick the elite prospects.

[PrimeTime101]

23 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

On defense, if you aren't getting better, you are getting worse.  You have to improve the defense every year or it degrades quickly.    But beyond the one pick top 5, I would go all offense with the rest of the picks in rounds 2-4.  Then whatever needs we have from 5-7 

I would spend ONE pick in round 2-4 on defense and get ONE FA on defense. The rest your slamming on offense.

[Soda Popinski]

25 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I would spend ONE pick in round 2-4 on defense and get ONE FA on defense. The rest your slamming on offense.

It's all subject to BPA and who slides where.  If you see a guy rated as a 1st round pick in the 3rd and he's a CB, then why wait, take him.   I would focus on the offense, but not totally ignore value.   This draft and free agency period are not going to solve all our problems on offense or defense.   Should go a long way but this roster will never be perfect. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Yes- one in the form of 6’2”, 220lbs, strong hands, good route running, above average speed, breaks tackles, and can make the first man miss. Is there an Eric Moulds type out there? 

 

lots of them, some taller as well.

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/06/28/2019-nfl-draft-prospect-database/4/

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

A trade down for a king's ransom.

 

Seriously. If it's a top 3 pick, there might be a team desperate enough to get the missing piece, hopefully some QB needy team looking for a bust.

 

I want a Rams/Goff trade down. A RGIII/Redskins deal.. And spam offense offense offense.. and maybe a Kyle Williams replacement.

 

Harrison Phillips is Kyle's replacement.

 

 

[Bing Bong]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Harrison Phillips is Kyle's replacement.

 

 

Well whatever.. Kings ransom. Tons of offense and maybe keep up a defensive depth luxury pick if some younger guys turn out to be a flash in the pan. That's what I want to see. Fill our holes through the draft with later picks so we have as much talent as possible under solid contracts.. sign FA's for the length of time Tre White starts expecting money essentially. Play it by ear after we start paying the first Beane/McD rooks ( and hope that these guys keep up the good drafting) 

 

Hard to tell if it's good drafting or just so many young players playing together, that it's easy to stand out among peers. Regardless it's great to have a lot of guys from the same consecutive (hopefully good) drafts grow together.. Seahawks style.

 

Still viscerally opposed to tanking as it's the NFL and time and time again, you're batting 500 for a stud top 5, 250 for a capable starter (is that what we want in a tank?), 250 for a guy that won't be on the roster for too long (way to waste a tank). 

 

Especially if we're filling in the O-Line.. we don't need a high pick to get guard/center depth but trade down and BAM we get that interior locked down. Draft our highest on WR, SIGN A VET WR. Overpay for him I don't care. I want to off-season to specifically set up JA to succeed (or allow for a serious evaluation of his long term skills) project QB or not, #7 overall QB should be ready to play and show he can be our guy year 2.. I'll be livid if we go another season "duhhhhh we don't know what we have in him.. erryone sucks"