jahbonas Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 With so much invested in Josh Allen (7th pick overall and spending a few #2's to get there) why the following?? 1- We had no veteran QB dedicated to mentor - see Jets purposely signed 39yr old Josh Mccown for just that purpose to help their rookie. 2- We have a QB coach who has spent his entire NFL career as a Wide Receivers coach - WTF!!??? With all Pegulas money we dont surround Josh Allen with these critical teachers? How does this fit into the process? - It shows absolute zero respect for the QB position by just throw a WR coach at it Coach David CULLEY’S COACHING CAREER NFL Buffalo Bills 2017 – Quarterbacks coach Kansas City Chiefs 2013-16 Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers Coach Philadelphia Eagles 2011-12 Senior offensive assistant/wide receivers coach Philadelphia Eagles 1999-10 Wide receivers coach Pittsburgh Steelers 1996-98 Wide receivers coach Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1994-95 Wide receivers coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Well, he has been a QB coach before. In college. During the Reagan Administration. (Seriously). But I hear he came highly recommended by Andy Reid.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Because we have a glorified gym teacher who is at best a good defensive coordinator running the team? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 If I had a gripe about something the front office is doing....it would be not getting the "sport car insurance" on the pick they made as their franchise QB (by that I mean finding a QB whisperer) I realize that Allen and Deboll are joined at the hip.......but now Deboll has a offense to worry about and another QB he has to get ready on game day.... This to me is needed......use every possible method to nurture this investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I’ve wondered about Culley also and why they wouldn’t take a look at bringing in someone like Palmer who JA already has trust in, to beef that part of the staff up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 He's a well respected coach around the league, despite not having much experience at QB coach specifically. I don't think he takes a job in Buffalo if it's not QB coach though. He wanted something new and saw it as a step towards further advancement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 They should bring in Dan Orlovsky! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 This is the most alarming thing. Why draft a raw/high upside QB and not have the best coaches to coach him up. Whenever they show pictures or videos of practice. I never see David Culley looking like he's doing much coaching 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said: This is the most alarming thing. Why draft a raw/high upside QB and not have the best coaches to coach him up. Whenever they show pictures or videos of practice. I never see David Culley looking like he's doing much coaching Exactly right !!! - Especially when you are Pegula willing to open the pocket book for the best QB coach you couild find. Instead of going into the college ranks for a creative Qb coach we use a WR coach from the NFL who will offer nothing new - it smacks of total focus on defense but blind to the offensive needs 6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: He's a well respected coach around the league, despite not having much experience at QB coach specifically. I don't think he takes a job in Buffalo if it's not QB coach though. He wanted something new and saw it as a step towards further advancement. Are you kidding? Why didnt we just sign a 'well respected' linebacker coach who maybe coached QBs in 1984 (when college football was 3 yrds and a cloud of dust) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jahbonas said: Are you kidding? Why didnt we just sign a 'well respected' linebacker coach who maybe coached QBs in 1984 (when college football was 3 yrds and a cloud of dust) We did. His name was Rick Dennison. Granted, he was still playing LB in 1984... Edited October 25, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, jahbonas said: With so much invested in Josh Allen (7th pick overall and spending a few #2's to get there) why the following?? 1- We had no veteran QB dedicated to mentor - see Jets purposely signed 39yr old Josh Mccown for just that purpose to help their rookie. 2- We have a QB coach who has spent his entire NFL career as a Wide Receivers coach - WTF!!??? With all Pegulas money we dont surround Josh Allen with these critical teachers? How does this fit into the process? - It shows absolute zero respect for the QB position by just throw a WR coach at it Coach David CULLEY’S COACHING CAREER NFL Buffalo Bills 2017 – Quarterbacks coach Kansas City Chiefs 2013-16 Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers Coach Philadelphia Eagles 2011-12 Senior offensive assistant/wide receivers coach Philadelphia Eagles 1999-10 Wide receivers coach Pittsburgh Steelers 1996-98 Wide receivers coach Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1994-95 Wide receivers coach Called this out at the beginning of the season. Everyone said he doesnt need a mentor. Well you do when you dont have a QB coach. He literally had no one on the team that would understand what he was going thru...peterman doesnt count. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 And keep in mind this WR coach was hired last year with Offensive Coordinator Dennison who was a flop - again what type of coaching was being received by our QBs last year?? Just mind boggling in this day and age to have such lackluster hiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Oh come on! This mystery genius coach would have told Josh not to get his elbow in the way of that guys helmet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Wasn't he the WR coach when the Chiefs went an entire NFL season without a WR touchdown? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 It doesn't show disrespect for the quarterback position; it shows ignorance and poor judgement. The latter is exemplified by the trade of McCarron prior to determining if Peterman was no longer prone to throw interceptions in regular season games. Allen should never have been put in the position he was in. In fact, he might still be healthy if better judgement had been used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Daboll = No history of developing young quarterback although does have history of failures which may or may not have been any of his fault. Culley = No history of developing young quarterback. Peterman = No history of helping young quarterback or really playing quarterback in this league, outside of briefly at its worst level. McCarron = No history of helping young quarterback, although has some knowledge of playing in the league and being directly around a smart veteran QB, but then they got rid of him before he could help Josh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Daboll = No history of developing young quarterback although does have history of failures which may or may not have been any of his fault. Culley = No history of developing young quarterback. Peterman = No history of helping young quarterback or really playing quarterback in this league, outside of briefly at its worst level. McCarron = No history of helping young quarterback, although has some knowledge of playing in the league and being directly around a smart veteran QB, but then they got rid of him before he could help Josh. And this by a group who knew from day 1 they were gonna gather up draft picks so to trade up to get a franchise QB to be the key to everyones future - and you surround the kid with this staff? Just seems so odd... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: If I had a gripe about something the front office is doing....it would be not getting the "sport car insurance" on the pick they made as their franchise QB (by that I mean finding a QB whisperer) I realize that Allen and Deboll are joined at the hip.......but now Deboll has a offense to worry about and another QB he has to get ready on game day.... This to me is needed......use every possible method to nurture this investment. The Bills are handling Allen's development like a guy that spends $2 Million on a race horse and hires the 3 stooges as trainers. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, jahbonas said: We have a QB coach who has spent his entire NFL career as a Wide Receivers coach - WTF!!??? With all Pegulas money we dont surround Josh Allen with these critical teachers? How does this fit into the process? - Pegula's handed over the keys to McDermott even though he's never drove without adult supervision before. Edited October 25, 2018 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Pegula's handed over the keys to McDermott even though he's never drove without adult supervision before. It's a natural progression for a position coach to become a coordinator to become a head coach. It happens once in a while but it is not a natural progression to go from WR coach to QB coach, especially after a 30-year career. The 30 year part is unheard of. Edited October 25, 2018 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Why not hire Palmer? Allen seemed to making good progress when exclusively working with him. You could see a major difference between his season last year and what he did at the Senior Bowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's a natural progression for a position coach to become a coordinator to become a head coach. It happens once in a while but it is not a natural progression to go from WR coach to QB coach, especially after a 30-year career. The 30 year part is unheard of. McDermott has a lot of control for a 1st time HC. Whaley stood on the sidelines during last years draft. What's happening this year is more reflective on McD than anyone else involved with running the team. He undoubtedly had final say on every move this year and last with player choices and coaching hires. Edited October 25, 2018 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, I am the egg man said: McDermott has a lot of control for a 1st time HC beginning with last years draft. What's happening this year is more reflective on him than anyone else involved with running the team. He surely had final say on every move this year and last. Agreed. Which is why the QB coach choice is a monumental mistake by McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 This gets brought up EVERY OTHER WEEK... Why does it need new threads on it? David Culley is an outstanding coach and very well respected in coaching circles He IS A FOOTBALL COACH first and foremost . People who know jack squat about football think since his resume doesn’t scream QB coach, he’s incompetent He has spent time around some of the best minds in football and is known as a Xs and Os coach who harps fundamentals and is a very good developer This is the 68th time I’ve typed this and it’s getting old 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 For some reason, after a while, all the threads start to sound like the adults in Charlie Brown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: This gets brought up EVERY OTHER WEEK... Why does it need new threads on it? David Culley is an outstanding coach and very well respected in coaching circles He IS A FOOTBALL COACH first and foremost . People who know jack squat about football think since his resume doesn’t scream QB coach, he’s incompetent He has spent time around some of the best minds in football and is known as a Xs and Os coach who harps fundamentals and is a very good developer This is the 68th time I’ve typed this and it’s getting old Thermodynamics and Relativity and Atomic and Molecular and Optic are all various kinds of physics, and related to the study of physics, and authorities in one very likely know a lot about some, if not all, of the others. But if I am trying to reach the highest levels in the Quantum Mechanics field that I possibly can, I want a Professor or Mentor or Authority of Quantum Mechanics teaching me Quantum Mechanics unless he or she is a world-renown wizard in all of Physics, which DFC (David Freakin' Culley) is not in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Thermodynamics and Relativity and Atomic and Molecular and Optic are all various kinds of physics, and related to the study of physics, and authorities in one very likely know a lot about some, if not all, of the others. But if I am trying to reach the highest levels in the Quantum Mechanics field that I possibly can, I want a Professor or Mentor or Authority of Quantum Mechanics teaching me Quantum Mechanics unless he or she is a world-renown wizard in all of Physics, which DFC (David Freakin' Culley) is not in football. Not at all the same. David Culley is a very competent QB coach. He can probably coach any offensive position highly effectively He is not a WR coach by trade I know jack **** about what you’re talking about but I know football and been around coaching circles a long time Culley is a very good coach Edited October 25, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I’ve wondered about Culley also and why they wouldn’t take a look at bringing in someone like Palmer who JA already has trust in, to beef that part of the staff up? ....I'd bet Palmer already has a pretty good thing going, works when he wants to, makes his own schedule and avoids the rigors of coaching, perhaps for now....later?....who knows... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Not at all the same. David Culley is a very competent QB coach. He can probably coach any offensive position highly effectively He is not a WR coach by trade I know jack **** about what you’re talking about but I know football and been around coaching circles a long time Culley is a very good coach Then why did no other team in 25 straight years hire him to do that job? But numerous teams hired him to do his specialty of 25 years, WR, which has completely different skills. And it's exactly the same. Physics is the Offense. Thermodynamics, Relativity, Atomic, Molecular and Optic are all branches of Physics, like QB, RB, WR, TE and OL are all branches of offense. All offensive coaches at this level know a LOT about the totality of offense and a great deal about the other branches. But if you want to learn the most about Quarterbacking you want a QB coach and not a WR, RB, TE or OL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Then why did no other team in 25 straight years hire him to do that job? But numerous teams hired him to do his specialty of 25 years, WR, which has completely different skills. And it's exactly the same. Physics is the Offense. Thermodynamics, Relativity, Atomic, Molecular and Optic are all branches of Physics, like QB, RB, WR, TE and OL are all branches of offense. All offensive coaches at this level know a LOT about the totality of offense and a great deal about the other branches. But if you want to learn the most about Quarterbacking you want a QB coach and not a WR, RB, TE or OL coach. He is a football coach. That’s what you don’t understand he was getting better job offers and they happned to be at the WR coach position he was working as the senior offensive assistant/ WR coach in Philadelphia with Reid where he was helping QBs as well Reid always said he left to get a HC job and he wanted to get back to QB coaching or OC Edited October 25, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He is a football coach. That’s what you don’t understand There are hundreds of coaches in the NFL. Are you saying they are all interchangeable? None of them are better or worse at certain positions than others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He is a football coach. That’s what you don’t understand he was getting better job offers and they happned to be at the WR coach position he was working as the senior offensive assistant/ WR coach in Philadelphia with Reid where he was helping QBs as well Reid always said he left to get a HC job and he wanted to get back to QB coaching or OC And Reid never hired him to be a QB coach. I understand what a football coach is. I also know that David Culley never developed a young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He is a football coach. That’s what you don’t understand he was getting better job offers and they happned to be at the WR coach position he was working as the senior offensive assistant/ WR coach in Philadelphia with Reid where he was helping QBs as well Reid always said he left to get a HC job and he wanted to get back to QB coaching or OC ...point taken on his background and respect.....same can be said for Robiskie with 37 years experience primarily as a WR Coach....so the two combined have 62 years coaching experience and our WR's cannot run routes?.....what's wrong with THIS picture??............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: And Reid never hired him to be a QB coach. I understand what a football coach is. I also know that David Culley never developed a young QB. Andy Reid is a “QB guru” who was a Offensive line coach for 15 years and a QB coach for 1 Of course Matt Nagy was a better option. Doenst mean Culley is bad Edited October 25, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Because we have a glorified gym teacher who is at best a good defensive coordinator running the team? Those who can't do...teach Those who cant teach, teach gym... Those who can't teach gym, administrate...or become Bills coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Because we have a glorified gym teacher who is at best a good defensive coordinator running the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, MPT said: There are hundreds of coaches in the NFL. Are you saying they are all interchangeable? None of them are better or worse at certain positions than others? No, I’m saying some coaches are above a position Andy Reid was an offensive line coach for 15 years with 1 year as QB coach... and he’s a “QB Guru” Some coaches are offensive specialists. They can coach anything on that side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Andy Reid is a “QB guru” who was a Offensive line coach for 15 years and a QB coach for 1 Of course Matt Nagy was a better option. Doenst mean Culley is bad Nagy was a quality control coach before he was made the Chiefs QB coach instead of Culley. Reid was never a QB guru when coaching OL, he became a QB guru by coaching QBs not OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Nagy was a quality control coach before he was made the Chiefs QB coach instead of Culley. Reid was never a QB guru when coaching OL, he became a QB guru by coaching QBs not OL. He coached QB for 2 years with favre lol Edited October 25, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 He worked under Andy Reid for 3 years, that's enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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