BobbyC81 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The Bills are handling Allen's development like a guy that spends $2 Million on a race horse and hires the 3 stooges as trainers. Woob-woob-woob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: Well, he has been a QB coach before. In college. During the Reagan Administration. (Seriously). But I hear he came highly recommended by Andy Reid.? Yarp. I truly think that McD got a recommendation straight from Reid on Culley. That's the only reason I can see as to why the guy is here coaching the kid they believe is their franchise guy. He must be good at something considering Reid kept him on his staff in Philly for 12 seasons and then brought him on board in KC for four more. I admit though, I'm not a big fan. I think this is one area where they needed to be looking at younger assistant coaches that are digging into the future of football. I woulda been going after the DeFilippo guy. He turned Wentz into a beast and is doing good things with Cousins right now. Of course he would've taken an OC job over a QB coach job, though. I dunno, maybe in the off-season they should try to pluck someone off of McVay's staff or something. I understand what McDermott wants the foundation of this team to be, strong defense, solid run game, a QB who can make a big play now and that's fine, that formula does work. But with the direction the game is headed, I just feel like it'd be really beneficial to have one of these younger, up and coming coaches that have been able to blend elements of the college schemes these QBs know so well while also familiarizing them with pro concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He coached QB for 2 years with favre lol Favre was there for five years before they made him a QB coach. They made him one the year after they won the SB with Favre. And they had Morinweg and Marriucci coaching Favre before Reid, six years into Favre's and after he was MVP for three straight seasons. Nice try. Let's forget history. Tyrod Taylor regressed last year under Culley. Culley coached young QB Nate Peterman into being the very worst QB in NFL history. The Bills had to sign 64 year old Derek Anderson to help its young QB because he wasn't getting the coaching he needs. Edited October 25, 2018 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Nagy was a quality control coach before he was made the Chiefs QB coach instead of Culley. Reid was never a QB guru when coaching OL, he became a QB guru by coaching QBs not OL. I think I’d put more stock in an ex-NFL QB (or even college QB) who can teach what he knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Favre was there for five years before they made him a QB coach. They made him one the year after they won the SB with Favre. And they had Morinweg and Marriucci coaching Favre before Reid, six years into Favre's and after he was MVP for three straight seasons. Nice try. Let's forget history. Tyrod Taylor regressed last year under Culley. Culley coached young QB Nate Peterman into being the very worst QB in NFL history. The Bills had to sign 64 year old Derek Anderson to help its young QB because he wasn't getting the coaching he needs. Nathan Peterman is not an NFL QB regardless of Culley and I don’t know what your above point is my friend... my point was Reid DIDNT develop Favre at all. But he still got a HC gig off it and is now a Guru TT didn’t regress under Culley, our offense did. TT looked ok with Watkins , Percy , woods, Goodwin, Hogan and clay He did nothing when we got rid of them If Josh Allen develops and Culley gets a gig is he not a bum anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Nathan Peterman is not an NFL QB regardless of Culley and I don’t know what your above point is my friend... my point was Reid DIDNT develop Favre at all. But he still got a HC gig off it and is now a Guru TT didn’t regress under Culley, our offense did. TT looked ok with Watkins , Percy , woods, Goodwin, Hogan and clay He did nothing when we got rid of them If Josh Allen develops and Culley gets a gig is he not a bum anymore? ...so as I just posted, why the hell do we have WR's that CANNOT run routes when we have Cully & Robiskie on staff, with 62 combined years of principally coaching WR's?.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so as I just posted, why the hell do we have WR's that CANNOT run routes when we have Cully & Robiskie on staff, with 62 combined years of principally coaching WR's?.......... Well Culley isn’t coaching the WRs anymore and I bet his hands were full preparing Allen for the NFL game with such a poor offensive cast Allen was far from a ready prospect and the Bills(Culley) need to work out some flaws and install some good behaviors Id like to see what Allen looks like with more weapons and a full offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Well Culley isn’t coaching the WRs anymore and I bet his hands were full preparing Allen for the NFL game with such a poor offensive cast Allen was far from a ready prospect and the Bills(Culley) need to work out some flaws and install some good behaviors Id like to see what Allen looks like with more weapons and a full offseason ...agree on that point....but I would also think if we have coaching camaraderie that Culley and Robiskie willingly work together on the receiving corp which certainly has a direct effect on working with Allen....just a thought............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...agree on that point....but I would also think if we have coaching camaraderie that Culley and Robiskie willingly work together on the receiving corp which certainly has a direct effect on working with Allen....just a thought............. That’s certainly not a bad idea and I bet it does to a degree if there weren’t so many holes on the team which needed coaching up I could see a coach or 2 coming together and working together at times . There’s nothing wrong with that but Culley is probably attached to the QBs hips... if they were smart Culley would keep the QBs and Robiskie the WRs after practice and have them run routes till they can’t anymore lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: No, I’m saying some coaches are above a position Andy Reid was an offensive line coach for 15 years with 1 year as QB coach... and he’s a “QB Guru” Some coaches are offensive specialists. They can coach anything on that side Andy Reid has proven that he is one of those coaches. Culley has not. In fact, he hasn't even proven he is a specialist at even one position on the offense. He was a WR coach for 25 years before he came to Buffalo. He had only 5 receivers break 1000 yards in a season during that time. That does not scream "offensive specialist." Sorry, but "well respected" coaches who don't produce results are just bad coaches who have been around long enough to have friends in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, MPT said: Andy Reid has proven that he is one of those coaches. Culley has not. In fact, he hasn't even proven he is a specialist at even one position on the offense. He was a WR coach for 25 years before he came to Buffalo. He had only 5 receivers break 1000 yards in a season during that time. That does not scream "offensive specialist." Sorry, but "well respected" coaches who don't produce results are just bad coaches who have been around long enough to have friends in the league. Andy Reid always thought highly of him he wouldn’t name him assistant HC because they are friends...If Allen develops does Culley not suck? he isn’t a hack. He has gotten promotions everywhere he goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That’s certainly not a bad idea and I bet it does to a degree if there weren’t so many holes on the team which needed coaching up I could see a coach or 2 coming together and working together at times . There’s nothing wrong with that but Culley is probably attached to the QBs hips... if they were smart Culley would keep the QBs and Robiskie the WRs after practice and have them run routes till they can’t anymore lol ....feasibly evident as far as "holes" my friend....so then the WTF onus is squarely on McBeane & McDermott (don't have a clue as far as authority hierarchy or "who reports to who", thus implicate BOTH for now), but how do you drastically underestimate your personnel moves on the offensive side of the ball and expect to gain an ounce of credibility?......and good Lord, this "verbal diarrhea" as far as "trust the process" has run (PUN INTENDED) its course.......down year? sure......zero competitiveness?...unacceptable IMO.... Edited October 25, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: he isn’t a hack. He has gotten promotions everywhere he goes You mean everywhere except for three of the five places he's been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Andy Reid always thought highly of him he wouldn’t name him assistant HC because they are friends...If Allen develops does Culley not suck? he isn’t a hack. He has gotten promotions everywhere he goes Except he hasn't gotten promotions everywhere he goes. He's been a WR coach for 25 years and only been promoted to assistant head coach under Reid. Not OC. Assistant head coach. Which probably means that he simply ran things the way Reid designed them and wanted them to be run. And as someone else pointed out already, it was his wide receivers in Kansas City that went an entire year without a touchdown. That's an absurd level of ineptitude that this year's Buffalo passing offense seems hell bent on upstaging. The proof is in the pudding. The guy may be "well respected," but it wouldn't be due to his football acumen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: You mean everywhere except for three of the five places he's been? I was including college as well. listen I don’t think he’s a effing HoF coach... but we had Nathaniel Hacket doubling up as our OC QB coach under Marrone i think he is way above that level. I think Daboll is on the hot seat before Culley 6 minutes ago, MPT said: Except he hasn't gotten promotions everywhere he goes. He's been a WR coach for 25 years and only been promoted to assistant head coach under Reid. Not OC. Assistant head coach. Which probably means that he simply ran things the way Reid designed them and wanted them to be run. And as someone else pointed out already, it was his wide receivers in Kansas City that went an entire year without a touchdown. That's an absurd level of ineptitude that this year's Buffalo passing offense seems hell bent on upstaging. The proof is in the pudding. The guy may be "well respected," but it wouldn't be due to his football acumen. So if Allen develops will you give Culley credit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Because we have a glorified gym teacher who is at best a good defensive coordinator running the team? Now, that’s gold, Jerry, gold! ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: So if Allen develops will you give Culley credit? Yes. I just think it's a fallacy to assume he's a qualified QB coach because he was a mediocre WR coach under a good head coach. I'd much rather hire a QB coach who has proven he's good at being a QB coach or at least has some innovative potential. Not a guy who's been treading water in a different job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: This gets brought up EVERY OTHER WEEK... Why does it need new threads on it? David Culley is an outstanding coach and very well respected in coaching circles He IS A FOOTBALL COACH first and foremost . People who know jack squat about football think since his resume doesn’t scream QB coach, he’s incompetent He has spent time around some of the best minds in football and is known as a Xs and Os coach who harps fundamentals and is a very good developer This is the 68th time I’ve typed this and it’s getting old Would you rather be coached by a Football Coach, or Someone who has actually been in that situation? Played the position etc. I think the OP is spot on. Nothing against Culley, But Josh does need to be surrounded by more than Culley. So where’s the list of QBs Culley has developed? Developing a rookie QB takes much more than you’re giving credit for. This team I too felt dropped the ball quite a bit in that area. I would have loved a Ken Dorsey type and Derek should have been picked up the day after AJ was traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Ironically, the Bills seem to desperately need a better WR coach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Would you rather be coached by a Football Coach, or Someone who has actually been in that situation? Played the position etc. I think the OP is spot on. Nothing against Culley, But Josh does need to be surrounded by more than Culley. So where’s the list of QBs Culley has developed? Developing a rookie QB takes much more than you’re giving credit for. This team I too felt dropped the ball quite a bit in that area. I would have loved a Ken Dorsey type and Derek should have been picked up the day after AJ was traded. David Culley played QB at Vanderbilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts