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Please name one aspect of the Bills roster that is ABOVE the overall average talent level in the NFL.  We are so below that level in every area of play that it's more than sad.  With all the cap money that is available in 2019 ($97 mil)the Bills can't correct this mess.  Nobody wants to come to Buffalo without a fully guaranteed contract.  Why would a veteran offensive lineman,  LB, or experienced LB want to come here?  We'll have to over-pay and that has been a problem.  The "process" nonsense can't overcome the obvious. 

 

Buffalo is NOT a player friendly city. Nothing to do for young, black players.  It's true - believe it or not.

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Kicker. That's it.  And yeah, he's an older white guy :)

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37 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

Please name one aspect of the Bills roster that is ABOVE the overall average talent level in the NFL.  We are so below that level in every area of play that it's more than sad.  With all the cap money that is available in 2019 ($97 mil)the Bills can't correct this mess.  Nobody wants to come to Buffalo without a fully guaranteed contract.  Why would a veteran offensive lineman,  LB, or experienced LB want to come here?  We'll have to over-pay and that has been a problem.  The "process" nonsense can't overcome the obvious. 

 

Buffalo is NOT a player friendly city. Nothing to do for young, black players.  It's true - believe it or not.

Nothing to do? What’s there to do in Arizona? Baltimore? Cleveland? Detroit? Green Bay?!? Kansas City?! Tennessee? Cincinnati? 

 

That’s a garbage excuse. 

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The 2018 Bills are what the 2013-15 Sabres under Ted Nolan were. A minor-league team in the majors.

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1 minute ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Nothing to do? What’s there to do in Arizona? Baltimore? Cleveland? Detroit? Green Bay?!? Kansas City?! Tennessee? Cincinnati? 

 

That’s a garbage excuse. 

If you'd left Arizona off that list, your point would be better ... Phoenix is a huge city, and Arizona has lots of appeal for both young and old ....

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31 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

Kicker. That's it.  And yeah, he's an older white guy :)

 

Punter.   He's a younger Hispanic.  

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DBs.  And White is one if the 3 best corners in the league

 

I believe our D is a top 5 D.  

 

Everything that happened today and that is going to happen can't be taken as an indictment on the players because in the back of their mind they know it's over.  It ended the second we found out Allen's injury.  They played like it today.  Deflated.  They'll have some moments, maybe win a game or 2.  Tops.  It's over.  

 

We're on our FOURTH starting QB since Aug 1.  And he's been sitting on a couch.  We're nowhere near good enough on O to mask that.  

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58 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

Please name one aspect of the Bills roster that is ABOVE the overall average talent level in the NFL.  We are so below that level in every area of play that it's more than sad.  With all the cap money that is available in 2019 ($97 mil)the Bills can't correct this mess.  Nobody wants to come to Buffalo without a fully guaranteed contract.  Why would a veteran offensive lineman,  LB, or experienced LB want to come here?  We'll have to over-pay and that has been a problem.  The "process" nonsense can't overcome the obvious. 

 

Buffalo is NOT a player friendly city. Nothing to do for young, black players.  It's true - believe it or not.

Remember the Super Bowl years? The cure is WINNING. Fortunately, the Bills had Bill Polian as GM, the brilliant architect of notable drafts and trades. As the team began to win, more and more players 'wanted' to play in Buffalo, and in front of one of the greatest fan bases in pro sports.

Unfortunately, the jury is out on Beane and McDermott as player evaluators. They've made their jobs tougher by their personnel moves or lack thereof. They will be spared their jobs by the Pegulas because of the promise of numerous draft picks in 2019 and the extra money they'll have to spend. It's possible some of the picks and acquisitions will pan out. But after multiple misses in the draft and FA, IMO they'll need some home runs to turn the franchise's around. And, yes, they'll have an uphill battle to sign quality FA's at reasonable deals. With their recent track record, particularly with their decisions on the offensive side of the ball, why should Bills fans have confidence they have the necessary skill to make a turnaround happen?

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Gee, a 'Bills suck' thread.  That's a new and refreshing take around here!     

 

Next, I hope someone has the guts to question the coaching and front office.

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The defensive side of the ball is actually pretty loaded - a lot of young guys, too.  We’re only behind the league on offense - way behind.

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1 hour ago, PUNT750 said:

Please name one aspect of the Bills roster that is ABOVE the overall average talent level in the NFL.  We are so below that level in every area of play that it's more than sad.  With all the cap money that is available in 2019 ($97 mil)the Bills can't correct this mess.  Nobody wants to come to Buffalo without a fully guaranteed contract.  Why would a veteran offensive lineman,  LB, or experienced LB want to come here?  We'll have to over-pay and that has been a problem.  The "process" nonsense can't overcome the obvious. 

 

Buffalo is NOT a player friendly city. Nothing to do for young, black players.  It's true - believe it or not.

 

I'm not a fan of how this coach and gm have done things, but you make people like me look ridiculous.

 

You mention LB twice in your dumb question, then you throw in that ***** at the end about nothing to do for young black players.

 

First of all, all players are relatively young. Second of all, do you know any black people? Please enlighten all of us crackers on what they like to do.

 

They like to do the same ***** as you and me. Well maybe I shouldn't include you, but the rest of us. Buffalo isn't NYC, LA, Miami, I've been to all those cities. Lived near Houston, Austin is great. But very few NFL cities offer things Buffalo can't. 

 

Chicago's cool, but meh. KC is whatever. Denver, not a fan. 

 

But I don't know, you seem to know what all those colored folks are up to, please enlighten us?

 

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59 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

If you'd left Arizona off that list, your point would be better ... Phoenix is a huge city, and Arizona has lots of appeal for both young and old ....

 

I like Phoenix. Maybe I'm a homer in this regard, I wouldn't say it is anything special or much better than Buffalo.

 

Buffalo has plenty to do, they get big concerts, shows. The only thing it lacks is good weather all year and an NBA team.

 

Maybe the OP has a point. Pegula is killing the black community when it comes to hockey. These guys are barely exposed to the game, and their first experience is a *****in Sabres game. Hahahahaha, I'd say pegula should buy an NBA team, but sorry not giving up my Lakers for whatever garbage he'd trot out.

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1. Defensive backfield is above average. White and Hyde are ProBowl talents, Poyer is average, and Gaines is terrible.  Add Johnson as a capable nickel DB and that equates to well above average.  

2. Haushcka is a top 10 PK

3. OT - probably right at average.  Dawkins is somewhere between 10-16 and Mills is somewhere between17-21.  Yes there are worse OT than Mills.

4. Punter - 14th in Net Yards per punt and 2nd in punts inside the 20 - the only two stats that matter for a punter

5. DE - this is pure speculation but Hughes is playing at a ProBowl Level, Lawson is playing ok, and Murphy is just a smidge above awful.  I have no idea why Lawson is not starting over Murphy. Even Lorax is playing ok.  So my guess is the DE group are somewhere just above average. 

 

1. QB group - probably the worst in the NFL even considering Allen as a rookie.  Jax, 49ers with an injured Jimmy G, Miami, and Arizona are all bottom feeders

2. OG - what a dramatic fall from ProBowl to absolute garbage

3. C - not as dramatic as Wood was a bit overrated by this board but he was solid.  Bodine looks capable at times but he is a bottom 5 player

4. WR - So many unknown factors here.  They look bad on paper and on film.  They drop a ton of passes.  But if the QB play is this bad and the OC quality is unknown (track record says he is below average) how can we really know how bad this group is.  That said I'm sure this group is bottom 3.

5. TE - again absolute garbage.  Clay is mailing it in worse than KB.  He will be lucky to get a vet minimum contract but I suspect he will just retire.

 

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7 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

Please name one aspect of the Bills roster that is ABOVE the overall average talent level in the NFL.  We are so below that level in every area of play that it's more than sad.  With all the cap money that is available in 2019 ($97 mil)the Bills can't correct this mess.  Nobody wants to come to Buffalo without a fully guaranteed contract.  Why would a veteran offensive lineman,  LB, or experienced LB want to come here?  We'll have to over-pay and that has been a problem.  The "process" nonsense can't overcome the obvious. 

 

Buffalo is NOT a player friendly city. Nothing to do for young, black players.  It's true - believe it or not.

Soooo....what do Young black players do? I guess I'm asking is what is missing 

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6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

The 2018 Bills are what the 2013-15 Sabres under Ted Nolan were. A minor-league team in the majors.

The difference being Ted Nolan was hired intentionally to be a tank driver, whereas presumably Pegula actually thinks McDermott is a good coach.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Success said:

The defensive side of the ball is actually pretty loaded - a lot of young guys, too.  We’re only behind the league on offense - way behind.

and that will get fixed in the off-season and on draft day.  not a second before.  This years' roster is what it is.  

 

trust the process. 

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45 minutes ago, The Process said:

Soooo....what do Young black players do? I guess I'm asking is what is missing 

 

There is one aspect of the original post that isn’t garbage racial stereotyping and that’s that Buffalo doesn’t have a large affluent population, especially a black one.

 

In that regard, there is a void that a lot of other NFL cities have. There is a lack of high-end formal restaurants, clubs, etc. Those are things that young millionaires with high social profiles seek. When players like Jordan Matthews speak out, that’s what he’s referring to. I think that’s what this post refers to, too.

 

I’ve had the opportunity to travel a lot and I’ve spent significant time in most NFL cities. Buffalo isn’t the only NFL city lacking these things but we’re definitely bottom-10 for nightlife/social life. That’s not a knock on Buffalo, I like it a lot more overall than quite a few NFL cities but it is something we’re missing.

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7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

DBs.  And White is one if the 3 best corners in the league

 

I believe our D is a top 5 D.  

 

Everything that happened today and that is going to happen can't be taken as an indictment on the players because in the back of their mind they know it's over.  It ended the second we found out Allen's injury.  They played like it today.  Deflated.  They'll have some moments, maybe win a game or 2.  Tops.  It's over.  

 

We're on our FOURTH starting QB since Aug 1.  And he's been sitting on a couch.  We're nowhere near good enough on O to mask that.  

good points....still frustrated and pissed off it's like this...I don't see it getting fixed by next season....Too much to do

46 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

and that will get fixed in the off-season and on draft day.  not a second before.  This years' roster is what it is.  

 

trust the process. 

all this will get fixed by next season? That's a tall order

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I’m absolutely dying to find out what ‘young black players’ like to do. Anyone?

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8 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

Please name one aspect of the Bills roster that is ABOVE the overall average talent level in the NFL.  We are so below that level in every area of play that it's more than sad.  With all the cap money that is available in 2019 ($97 mil)the Bills can't correct this mess.  Nobody wants to come to Buffalo without a fully guaranteed contract.  Why would a veteran offensive lineman,  LB, or experienced LB want to come here?  We'll have to over-pay and that has been a problem.  The "process" nonsense can't overcome the obvious. 

 

Buffalo is NOT a player friendly city. Nothing to do for young, black players.  It's true - believe it or not.

Where do these people come from; Green Bay seems to do OK!

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Green Bay doesn't normally look to FA to add to the roster talent.  They were known for not signing FAs and doing their roster upgrades strickly through the draft.  

 

The Bills can't rely on cap space to fix this mess.  Most good FAs are locked up before they hit the market.  A few exceptions can be made to that rule, but most of the time injury history and age play a pivotal role in why they're available.  I've never understood front offices that had to have "their guys"?  I think the sign of good coaching and personnel people is making the puzzle pieces you have work, adapting your scheme to the strengths of the roster.  

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If a quality coach was here like Andy Reid or bill b the results would be different

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8 hours ago, Success said:

The defensive side of the ball is actually pretty loaded - a lot of young guys, too.  We’re only behind the league on offense - way behind.

 

D was mercillessly shredded at will all game yesterady

 

by a 1-5 team that was ready to run for the bus

 

 

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